Numerous Twitch speedrunners banned in glorious display of administrative furry drama. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The Combine;42935933]Longpost[/QUOTE]Well, some of those are true for the most part, but stuff like "hypersensitivity to rejection/criticism" "Mistrust of others" "fantasy as a means of escape" etc. Don't fit the majority of furries I know and/or have met (including myself), and painting everyone with the same brush like that doesn't help anybody. I'm not rejecting that the people you describe exist, they're just not such a huge part of the community as you make it seem.

Another one makes fursuits, but also has a major in theater design and works at a large college as a head of the theater/teacher. It might be a Masters actually.

[QUOTE=OutspokenGolf;42935942]Because you're only human. You can pretend to be whatever you like in your head and that's fine with me but actually dressing up like one is just too weird for me[/QUOTE]Yeah, but outright hate for them? My merge

I'm fine with furries, untill they start shoving it in my face, which is something furries are EXCEPTIONALLY good at

[QUOTE=NoOnE#235;42935970]Yeah, but outright hate for them? My merge[/QUOTE] Naw man, I don't hate em. I don't hate anyone really. I just think people who wear fursuits are just really kidding themselves a bit too hard.

Do most of you even get what this is about, the problem started when Duke_bilgewater was talking about the furry emoticon and how it is from his boyfriends fursona on his stream and talking to other speedrunners on the subject. Horror joined dukes chat and then duke makes the joke. [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZfHH2BCEAAstit.png[/img] Then duke gets banned for it which upset a lot of people in the speedrunning community. The problem isn't that he's furry or he's homosexual, the problem is that he abused his power and banned someone over a joke.

[QUOTE=Simski;42935939]Because just because it's not sexual doesn't mean it can't offend people. I'm not offended by sexual stuff, but other people are. You're not offended by furries, but other people are. Some people like anime, some people hate it. Some people like ponies, some people hate it. If there's a lot of people that hates one of your particular interests, it's better to have the image representing yourself be something else you like that doesn't anger a lot of people.[/QUOTE]Well, I wouldn't change my avatar just because a couple of people find it offensive for some reason (it's not like my avatar is oh-so-super-controversial or disgusting, at which point I could understand it.), I'd say it's more their fault for being offended over something so trivial than my fault for choosing to have that avatar. It's not like I'm shoving it in their face (and I disagree with those who do) [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=david4leet;42935988]Do most of you even get what this is about, the problem started when Duke_bilgewater was talking about the furry emoticon and how it is from his boyfriends fursona on his stream and talking to other speedrunners on the subject. Horror joined dukes chat and then duke makes the joke. [URL]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZfHH2BCEAAstit.png[/URL] Then duke gets banned for it which upset a lot of people in the speedrunning community. The problem isn't that he's furry or he's homosexual, the problem is that he abused his power and banned someone over a joke.[/QUOTE]We (or I) know, but the thread has just been derailed into a discussion about furries in general and is what's currently relevant to post about. 'sides, the vast majority of the thread has been a circlejerk about exactly that anyways.

[QUOTE=david4leet;42935988]Do most of you even get what this is about, the problem started when Duke_bilgewater was talking about the furry emoticon and how it is from his boyfriends fursona on his stream and talking to other speedrunners on the subject. Horror joined dukes chat and then duke makes the joke. [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZfHH2BCEAAstit.png[/img] Then duke gets banned for it which upset a lot of people in the speedrunning community. The problem isn't that he's furry or he's homosexual, the problem is that he abused his power and banned someone over a joke.[/QUOTE] Damn, that's a pretty innocent joke to make too I mean, it'd pack a lot more "fuck you fuck this" if he said "into your belly", right?

[QUOTE=NoOnE#235;42935962]Well, some of those are true for the most part, but stuff like "hypersensitivity to rejection/criticism" "Mistrust of others" "fantasy as a means of escape" etc. Don't fit the majority of furries I know and/or have met (including myself), and painting everyone with the same brush like that doesn't help anybody. I'm not rejecting that the people you describe exist, they're just not such a huge part of the community as you make it seem.[/QUOTE] Before I say the following, this is just an example I am NOT comparing Furries to those people. People that take drugs will also surround themselves with people that take drugs and they are comfortable with them, stating:"They aren't all that bad! Sure we do some bad shit but in the end we are all good people right?". It's a normal group mentality, you feel safer with people that share your views and they will obviously be less strange/weird than to, lets say, an outsider that doesnt do drugs simply because this person hangs around with other people. Again comparing furries to druggies is fuckdumb retarded and its just an example of how group mentality works. You won't hate the people that share your views except the extremists which would be the "MY FURSONA IS GAYBISEXUAL SANIC" and fursuit wearers in your Fandom. Which you do seem to dislike.

My overall experience with furries is pretty good. I might even go to one of their conventions with friends because, holy shit, these guys know how to party. I guess you could say they're... Party animals.

[QUOTE=OutspokenGolf;42936012]Damn, that's a pretty innocent joke to make too[/QUOTE]Yes, Horror completely overreacted, and I'm on the guys who were banned by him's side, I'm just tired of seeing so many people bringing the fact that's he's a furry to light as if that's why he's acting like he is. [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Seiteki;42936019]My overall experience with [B]ferries[/B] is pretty good. I might even go to one of their conventions with friends because, holy shit, these guys know how to party. I guess you could say they're... Party animals.[/QUOTE][IMG]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/97/9a/d3/ferry-calais-dover.jpg[/IMG] [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The Combine;42936014]Before I say the following, this is just an example I am NOT comparing Furries to those people. People that take drugs will also surround themselves with people that take drugs and they are comfortable with them, stating:"They aren't all that bad! Sure we do some bad shit but in the end we are all good people right?". It's a normal group mentality, you feel safer with people that share your views and they will obviously be less strange/weird than to, lets say, an outsider that doesnt do drugs simply because this person hangs around with other people. Again comparing furries to druggies is fuckdumb retarded and its just an example of how group mentality works. You won't hate the people that share your views except the extremists which would be the "MY FURSONA IS GAYBISEXUAL SANIC" and fursuit wearers in your Fandom. Which you do seem to dislike.[/QUOTE]I'm not defending ALL furries, I'm just saying that, as with all things, don't judge a whole group from the actions of a few.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;42933868]You can tell if a community is dying just by the amount of furries that are in them, they are like internet maggots that circlejerk over the remains of what used to be decent communities.[/QUOTE] Sounds like Facepunch.

[QUOTE=NoOnE#235;42936027]Yes, Horror completely overreacted, and I'm on the guys who were banned by him's side, I'm just tired of seeing so many people bringing the fact that's he's a furry to light as if that's why he's acting like he is. [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [IMG]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/97/9a/d3/ferry-calais-dover.jpg[/IMG] [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] I'm not defending ALL furries, I'm just saying that, as with all things, don't judge a whole group from the actions of a few.[/QUOTE] Posting from my phone.

[QUOTE=Seiteki;42936048]Posting from my phone.[/QUOTE]Yeah, sorry, was just too good an oppertunity to pass up.

[QUOTE=The Combine;42935933] [Broad Psychological Generalization about Furries] [/QUOTE] I think you're off the mark. There actually are 'successful' furries, and as a social cohort they tend to be middle to upper middle class white people. If you mean successful as in "Churchill was a Neko" or "Hitler was a Folf with angel wings~", then you need to remember that the "furry fandom" as it is has existed for roughly only about 20 years. Most Furries aren't going to be running for President for another few years at least. Yes, it is a hobby for escapism. But that's a really broad reading of the term escapism AND hobby. Airsoft players are escapists trying to put themselves into combat situations. Gamers are escapists also trying to do the same. Larpers and Ren.Faire enthusiasts are escapists who want to enamour themselves with a different time or world. We generally don't make the claim that these people are defective or have some syndrome about that. Your list of symptoms for APD are nice, but they aren't very helpful. It's a broad generalization. If I test against say, the Jewish state of Israel I find, Self-Imposed social isolate- Check, they live in sequester state Hypersensitivity to criticism- Check, read a headline. Mistrust of others- Check, read a headline Highly self-concious- Check, they're Jews. Feeling inferior to others -Check, they have massive inferiority complex due to percieved animosity internationally. Utilizes fantasy as a form of escapism- Check, they wish to build an aggrandized Zion to make up for the death of about 6 Million Jewish people during World War Two, a very painful thought. You're misapplying psychology. It's not a hammer to be beaten upon a class of people. It's a delicate tool to be used to inspect single persons. Generally symptoms are only indicative when the extent of the symptom is debilitating or so severe that it cannot be broadly tested against an equal member of that person's cohort. If I could apply broad tests, I could claim all Blacks from the Rural South East are mentally deficient because they have a charictaristicly slurred speech pattern which I do not have, but which contextual society recognizes as an [I]accent.[/I] If you want to find an example of a successful and famous furry, you've actually got to look. It's still a niche community, and despite its massive outstep its very much not that tangible globally. The premier example which comes to mind if the organizer of Anthrocon. Dr. Samuel Conway, also known as Uncle Kage. He's an emminent bio-research doctor of some renown. Not a child clacking away at a keyboard or an angsty teen or a disturbed 20-something in college. He's an adult. With a PhD, which I cannot stress, is the western epitome of responsibility and dedication. He is what most people would call a 'good man.' If you want to roll out your cracked theories, go make a Mass Debate thread and table a discussion. As it stands you have no good grounds upon which to beach your ideas, save the most basic rhetorical argument which is defused by any meaningful reading of the facts. ALL THAT SAID. There are bad furries. There are psycopaths and liars and cheaters and sexual deviants among them. It is no great fortune that this thread has had noted zoophiles and perverts step to bat to defend the Furry cause. There are eloquent and kind furries the world over who can talk circles around me. There are smart and creative furries who can do more with a pencil than any of us can with a whole team of artists at out disposal. They do not step forward though, because of people like you, who are not reasonable people. The world is that much darker for it.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;42936060]I think you're off the mark. There actually are 'successful' furries, and as a social cohort they tend to be middle to upper middle class white people. If you mean successful as in "Churchill was a Neko" or "Hitler was a Folf with angel wings~", then you need to remember that the "furry fandom" as it is has existed for roughly only about 20 years. Most Furries aren't going to be running for President for another few years at least. Yes, it is a hobby for escapism. But that's a really broad reading of the term escapism AND hobby. Airsoft players are escapists trying to put themselves into combat situations. Gamers are escapists also trying to do the same. Larpers and Ren.Faire enthusiasts are escapists who want to enamour themselves with a different time or world. We generally don't make the claim that these people are defective or have some syndrome about that. Your list of symptoms for APD are nice, but they aren't very helpful. It's a broad generalization. If I test against say, the Jewish state of Israel I find, Self-Imposed social isolate- Check, they live in sequester state Hypersensitivity to criticism- Check, read a headline. Mistrust of others- Check, read a headline Highly self-concious- Check, they're Jews. Feeling inferior to others -Check, they have massive inferiority complex due to percieved animosity internationally. Utilizes fantasy as a form of escapism- Check, they wish to build an aggrandized Zion to make up for the death of about 6 Million Jewish people during World War Two, a very painful thought. You're misapplying psychology. It's not a hammer to be beaten upon a class of people. It's a delicate tool to be used to inspect single persons. Generally symptoms are only indicative when the extent of the symptom is debilitating or so severe that it cannot be broadly tested against an equal member of that person's cohort. If I could apply broad tests, I could claim all Blacks from the Rural South East are mentally deficient because they have a charictaristicly slurred speech pattern which I do not have, but which contextual society recognizes as an [I]accent.[/I] If you want to find an example of a successful and famous furry, you've actually got to look. It's still a niche community, and despite its massive outstep its very much not that tangible globally. The premier example which comes to mind if the organizer of Anthrocon. Dr. Samuel Conway, also known as Uncle Kage. He's an emminent bio-research doctor of some renown. Not a child clacking away at a keyboard or an angsty teen or a disturbed 20-something in college. He's an adult. With a PhD, which I cannot stress, is the western epitome of responsibility and dedication. He is what most people would call a 'good man.' If you want to roll out your cracked theories, go make a Mass Debate thread and table a discussion. As it stands you have no good grounds upon which to beach your ideas, save the most basic rhetorical argument which is defused by any meaningful reading of the facts. ALL THAT SAID. There are bad furries. There are psycopaths and liars and cheaters and sexual deviants among them. It is no great fortune that this thread has had noted zoophiles and perverts step to bat to defend the Furry cause. There are eloquent and kind furries the world over who can talk circles around me. There are smart and creative furries who can do more with a pencil than any of us can with a whole team of artists at out disposal. They do not step forward though, because of people like you, who are not reasonable people. The world is that much darker for it.[/QUOTE]Very well put wall of text.

[QUOTE=Seiteki;42935958]I've got a friend that's a furry. He sells artwork for a few grand a pop and has worked on recent blockbuster movies. He's pretty chill all around.[/QUOTE] Furry artists tend to be really skilled and are generally nice person (being a dick doesn't sell art). The assholes/idiots/drama queens are the people commissioning these guys and who are ready to waste several hundred bucks on a drawing of their fursona who has baby blue fur, a rainbow tail, a bioluminescent dick and shadow the hedgehog's hair style. You can seriously judge a furry's idiocy by the flamboyantness of their fursona. The more idiotic and eye-soring it gets, the more drama the owner needs.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42936072]Furry artists tend to be really skilled and are generally nice person (being a dick doesn't sell art). The assholes/idiots/drama queens are the people commissioning these guys and who are ready to waste several hundred bucks on a drawing of their fursona who has baby blue fur, a rainbow tail, a bioluminescent dick and shadow the hedgehog's hair style.[/QUOTE] He does artwork for books and such, not the average Joe wanting a picture of some character but yeah.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;42936060] There are bad furries. [/QUOTE] no shit look at DA and within maybe ten seconds you've got people shopping mlp into vietnam photographs

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42936072]Furry artists tend to be really skilled and are generally nice person (being a dick doesn't sell art). The assholes/idiots/drama queens are the people commissioning these guys and who are ready to waste several hundred bucks on a drawing of their fursona who has baby blue fur, a rainbow tail, a bioluminescent dick and shadow the hedgehog's hair style. You can seriously judge a furry's idiocy by the flamboyantness of their fursona. The more idiotic and eye-soring it gets, the more drama the owner needs.[/QUOTE]This logic is so flawed I can't even begin to describe it - And I won't, since now I have other things to do and can't be bothered to write a wall of text. Might see you all in a few hours.

sexuality is a weak spot of the human psyche an insult that finds its mark will get a reaction there [QUOTE=NoOnE#235;42936090]This logic is so flawed I can't even begin to describe it - And I won't, since now I have other things to do and can't be bothered to write a wall of text. Might see you all in a few hours.[/QUOTE] this post is pretty much how 12 year olds argue when they run out of arguments. have some dignity or take a break

[QUOTE=OutspokenGolf;42936086]no shit look at DA and within maybe ten seconds you've got people shopping mlp into vietnam photographs[/QUOTE] Bronies. You're talking about Bronies. I know shit about them.

[QUOTE=Seiteki;42936096]Bronies. You're talking about Bronies. I know shit about them.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there are furries out there that'd do that kind of shit tho and i'm really glad they're a minority Like just using the fact that they id as a furry to fuck around with people and rile them up for shits and giggles such as, case in point the twitch mod

[QUOTE=NoOnE#235;42935990]Well, I wouldn't change my avatar just because a couple of people find it offensive for some reason (it's not like my avatar is oh-so-super-controversial or disgusting, at which point I could understand it.), I'd say it's more their fault for being offended over something so trivial than my fault for choosing to have that avatar. It's not like I'm shoving it in their face (and I disagree with those who do)[/QUOTE] I wouldn't change mine if just a couple of people really disliked PBF either, but I would change it if A LOT of people really disliked PBF and people constantly made arguments about me having a PBF avatar and treated me different because of it. It causes unnecessary drama, and therefor it's better to not be open about having a controversial interest when you're not somewhere it's normal to talk about

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42935687]My point is, people don't consider him biased and a stereotypical closet-zoophile furry just based on his avatar, but because he actually is a biased, stereotypical closet-zoophile furry. I also really don't like codemaster and felt like everyone should keep in mind they are [B]talking to a dude who tried to fuck his dog.[/B][/QUOTE] but i never did? I literally about a joke i told people when an accident that was my dog jumping in my lap mid fap and [B]even the person who started that rumor that i apparently fuck my dogs apologized.[/B] you were the shitlord that was a furry but immediately stopped (even having a full character bio, design, and story with a scene for rping), or white knighting a dude who pretended to be a girl online because you got some E-pussy, [B]even when said person was blackmailing personal stuff like nudes other people to force them to date him with proof of said blackmailing[/B].

[QUOTE=OutspokenGolf;42936086]no shit look at DA and within maybe ten seconds you've got people shopping mlp into vietnam photographs[/QUOTE] Right. That's no question. The internet is a fallback point for all [I]bad people,[/I] so to speak. I can find the most conservative, straight laced, psychologically sound member of American society and if I thrust him upon the internet I can bet within twenty minutes he'd have photoshopped a penis onto the forehead of his least favorite political idealogue using a pirated version of photoshop. Or gimp (that monster.) The internet, because it is not regulated, serves to highlight 'the bad' because no one may reign them in. People are free of societal pressure and the curse of being known. In real life, "MLP in Vietnam" or "Dick upon Obama" would be torn up by some watchful administrator and put in a trashcan. The perpetrator would be sent to sit in a corner or made to live on the edge of town. Take a look at that horrific monster, what's his name, CWC Chris or whatever. He lives on disability in a dilapidated house. On the internet he's a spectacle and in real life, if the 'net never existed, he'd never have been heard of except perhaps outside of his most immediate vicinity and the tall tales surrounding his person. So it is fundamentally wrong to sample the whole of the Furry population ON THE INTERNET and weigh them against the masses. Vore (I hope) makes up and explicit minority of the Furry Fandom, and yet I can garuntee you that there exist at least one hundred pages of it to be perused by some scarred sociological professor. Luckily the visibility of a minority does not qualify its size, because if it did, then the Furry group (a media driven group) would be the majority of the world population. The end. I'm done. Good luck arguing about socially damaged people who fuck eachother in carpet suits.

[QUOTE=Falchion;42936094]sexuality is a weak spot of the human psyche an insult that finds its mark will get a reaction there this post is pretty much how 12 year olds argue when they run out of arguments. have some dignity or take a break[/QUOTE] Got to make a difference between sexuality and fetish here. Furries have a fetish (which, frankly, isn't really that surprising, people like stuff with tits slapped on it. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f--Cb8IY2nk]People did that with literally anything that exists.[/url]) that is applied to their sexuality. Hardass drama queen furries are the one who decided to go further than that and have instead decided to center their entire life around that one character they created to buy custom porn with.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42936137]Got to make a difference between sexuality and fetish here. Furries have a fetish (which, frankly, isn't really that surprising, people like stuff with tits slapped on it. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f--Cb8IY2nk]People did that with literally anything that exists.[/url]) that is applied to their sexuality. Hardass drama queen furries are the one who decided to go further than that and have instead decided to center their entire life around that one character they created to buy custom porn with.[/QUOTE] fetishes are a part of sexuality [QUOTE=codemaster85;42936127]but i never did? I literally about a joke i told people when an accident that was my dog jumping in my lap mid fap and [B]even the person who started that rumor that i apparently fuck my dogs apologized.[/B] you were the shitlord that was a furry but immediately stopped (even having a full character bio, design, and story with a scene for rping), or white knighting a dude who pretended to be a girl online because you got some E-pussy, [B]even when said person was blackmailing personal stuff like nudes other people to force them to date him with proof of said blackmailing[/B].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Falchion;42936094]sexuality is a weak spot of the human psyche an insult that finds its mark will get a reaction there [/QUOTE]

Not Duke_bildgewater :C I like his hotline Miami runs