[QUOTE=Zeke129;50439451]That's like saying the Tesla isn't an electric car because sometimes you charge it from a power plant that burns fossil fuels. The average person will only use gas in the Volt when it forces you to to prevent the gas from expiring.[/QUOTE]
The Volt objectively isn't an electric car, it's a plug-in hybrid
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[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50438665]Did they ever fix the piss poor range that leafs got? 100ish miles is really shit and the charge times are pretty bad[/QUOTE]
AFAIK Tesla is literally the only company making long-range electric vehicles right now, other manufacturers are still catching up although the Chevy Bolt will change that
[QUOTE=smurfy;50439510]The Volt objectively isn't an electric car, it's a plug-in hybrid
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AFAIK Tesla is literally the only company making long-range electric vehicles right now, other manufacturers are still catching up although the Chevy Bolt will change that[/QUOTE]
Depends on what you consider long range.
[QUOTE=pointyface;50439482]I see them a lot. I also live in Silicon Valley so I guess they're only being bought in areas with an EV infrastructure[/QUOTE]
Which in comparison to Tesla is pretty small. They on the other hand already have thousands of public stations in cities and major arterial routes.
I like the Leaf. The Leaf is a great little car. The Volt's better, sure, but the Leaf is fine and dandy. All of you naysayers can keep whining when you know that it's a great little vehicle
I like Nissans. They're cheap and comfortable
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50439567]I like the Leaf. The Leaf is a great little car. The Volt's better, sure, but the Leaf is fine and dandy. All of you naysayers can keep whining when you know that it's a great little vehicle[/QUOTE]
It would be great.. if it didn't cost $30k+ for what it is.
I think Nissan really screwed up with the Leaf. The following doesn't apply to all buyers of hybrid and electric vehicles, but studies (I can provide a reference if requested) have shown that most buyers of such cars don't necessarily buy them out of concern for the environment, but rather out of concern for self-image and social standing.
That's why the Toyota Prius became popular, as it has been synonymous with 'hybrid' for many years. But what does the Nissan Leaf have to stand on? Not much at all. It's not synonymous with anything, it has an awful name, it looks ugly, and it doesn't have very much range. It's very mediocre. Tesla has been more-successful because Tesla is the 'next big thing', and so the self-image and social standing concerns of Tesla customers do resonate strongly.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50439510]The Volt objectively isn't an electric car, it's a plug-in hybrid[/QUOTE]
It's not an "electric car" for classification purposes but the fact remains that you can drive it entirely with an electric engine using power provided by a battery. For all intents and purposes, it's an electric car.
The leaf had a great start but it hasn't aged well, like the Ford focus electric, (which my uncle owns) it's painfully dated by the battery and motor.
Nissan hasn't updated it since it launched either which has not helped at all. Pushing a new battery and possible drive train out by 2017 will put them at the rear of the pack because the Chevy bolt will be a pretty tough competitor for the mass produced (available) electric car market the leaf occupies. The model 3 is great but Tesla won't be turning those out in any significant quantities for at least a year, if you haven't committed to one now you won't be able to buy one for a long time due to the sheer demand.
I know the bolt looks horrible but it fits squarely in a market that the leaf currently occupied, with the plug in volt redesign being a very promising alternative to that. GM has taken a long turn to get electric out but with the volt refresh (making it way nicer) and the bolt both hitting the market before 2017 they've gotten themselves in a very strong position to become the first Detroit automaker to really control marketspace
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50440695]It's not an "electric car" for classification purposes but the fact remains that you can drive it entirely with an electric engine using power provided by a battery. For all intents and purposes, it's an electric car.[/QUOTE]
If you want to be specific then it's a PHEV (plug in hybrid electric vehicle). Usually when people talk about EVs they are talking about BEVs (battery electric vehicles). So sure, you can call it a type of electric car if you want to.
[QUOTE=mralexs;50439625]I like Nissans. They're cheap and comfortable[/QUOTE]
They're also terrible quality and their CVTs fail at 60,000.
And also offer no nismo or SE-R variants of the commuter cars. They're toyota now. A to B car, and boring as all fuck.
[QUOTE=Sableye;50440780]The leaf had a great start but it hasn't aged well, like the Ford focus electric, (which my uncle owns) it's painfully dated by the battery and motor.
Nissan hasn't updated it since it launched either which has not helped at all. Pushing a new battery and possible drive train out by 2017 will put them at the rear of the pack because the Chevy bolt will be a pretty tough competitor for the mass produced (available) electric car market the leaf occupies. The model 3 is great but Tesla won't be turning those out in any significant quantities for at least a year, if you haven't committed to one now you won't be able to buy one for a long time due to the sheer demand.
I know the bolt looks horrible but it fits squarely in a market that the leaf currently occupied, with the plug in volt redesign being a very promising alternative to that. GM has taken a long turn to get electric out but with the volt refresh (making it way nicer) and the bolt both hitting the market before 2017 they've gotten themselves in a very strong position to become the first Detroit automaker to really control marketspace[/QUOTE]
Tesla hope to have all current reservations delivered within 2018, hopefully they can ramp up production quickly without too many issues. I would 100% wait for the 3 over getting the Bolt earlier though. Bolt costs more than the 3, and doesn't have Supercharger access or an Autopilot package.
Currently driving a BMW i3.
Not a fan of the look.
That said, enjoying the drive. 150km is plenty for me in a charge, considering most of the driving I do is within the city.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50440875]Tesla hope to have all current reservations delivered within 2018, hopefully they can ramp up production quickly without too many issues. I would 100% wait for the 3 over getting the Bolt earlier though. Bolt costs more than the 3, and doesn't have Supercharger access or an Autopilot package.[/QUOTE]
the bolt is supposed to be about the same, but ya its not a model 3. The issue is that tesla has never met a production target and i doubt they will with the model 3 even. They just aren't detroit and can't leverage as much machinery as detroit can
even then, taking 2 years to build all 500,000 cars is totally achievable for tesla, they just will be under intense pressure from investors to both meet their target and turn a profit
[QUOTE=Sableye;50441113]the bolt is supposed to be about the same, but ya its not a model 3. The issue is that tesla has never met a production target and i doubt they will with the model 3 even. They just aren't detroit and can't leverage as much machinery as detroit can
even then, taking 2 years to build all 500,000 cars is totally achievable for tesla, they just will be under intense pressure from investors to both meet their target and turn a profit[/QUOTE]
Hopefully they learned a lot from ramping up Model X and the bonus of the Model 3 being easier to manufacture. They also took on Audi's head of production for the last 20 or so years recently to handle the Model 3.
I doubt the model 3 will be as horrendously delayed as everything else by Tesla so far, but I find it exceedingly implausible that they will meet their goals for the end of 2018.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50441313]I doubt the model 3 will be as horrendously delayed as everything else by Tesla so far, but I find it exceedingly implausible that they will meet their goals for the end of 2018.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, the Model 3 is the first 'realisic' car Tesla has tried to build. If there's delays, I'm positive it'll be due to manufacturing speed ramp-up time rather than anything else.
[QUOTE=mralexs;50439625]I like Nissans. They're cheap and comfortable[/QUOTE]
The leaf is certainly not cheap for what it is
My city has a fleet of them that city workers drive but talks are that they're replacing them with the model 3 when it comes out. I made a logo for the city leafs and got to drive one and I really disliked them overall. But riding in a tesla or even a fucking volt is a whole different ballgame. The leaf is such a cheap car, it's pretty much a versa with an electric motor.
On a potentially off topic note, at a talk last night Musk pretty much confirmed that the Model 3 will come with hardware to allow fully autonomous driving. They will announce it officially towards the end of the year.
[QUOTE=Jund;50438936][t]http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2015/01/2016-Chevrolet-Volt-side-view.jpg[/t]
wow!! it's amazingly average!!![/QUOTE]
To be fair the frontage wasn't great, GM improved the same design with the Vauxhall Ampera
[IMG]http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/vauxhall-ampera-2.jpg?itok=6tD2Vbeq[/IMG]
It was however so bloody expensive, they're an extreme rarity in the UK and were only ever bought by green-freaks or as company cars.
FFS Nissan! Make an [B]electric [/B][B]GTR [/B]already[B]![/B] No body want's an ugly car.
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