Mists of Pandaria sells 2.7 million copies, ten million subscribers
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[QUOTE=Untouch;37911550]Maybe if I had played the same map, with the same classes on the same server that would apply.
Oh, and I paid 15 dollars a month to do so.
Oh, and I can only play once a week.[/QUOTE]
hey so WoW isn't the game for you!!! glad I could help you figure it out
now stop being like "lol it's bad because the game doesn't cater to my needs :'("
[QUOTE=Untouch;37911550]Maybe if I had played the same map, with the same classes on the same server that would apply.
Oh, and I paid 15 dollars a month to do so.
Oh, and I can only play once a week.[/QUOTE]
play once a week? What are you on about?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37911556]Shit I wish I could trade the $60 I spent on GW2 for MoP and a month of WoW. Now I have to wait till November.[/QUOTE]
Eh, GW2 just needs time to age. I certainly got my $60 out of it
[QUOTE=Untouch;37911550]Maybe if I had played the same map, with the same classes on the same server that would apply.
Oh, and I paid 15 dollars a month to do so.
Oh, and I can only play once a week.[/QUOTE]
This is also very true. TF2 supports itself in other ways than monthly fees (Microtransactions), but implements it very well.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37911564]hey so WoW isn't the game for you!!! glad I could help you figure it out
now stop being like "lol it's bad because the game doesn't cater to my needs :'("[/QUOTE]
So my opinion isn't valid in this case?
Okay.
I'd be fine if they gave you 15 dollars a month in content, to an extent RIFT did, but WoW doesn't, that's my opinion.
Doesnt this always happens when a new expansion comes out? Then after a few months everyone stops playing
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37911576]This is also very true. TF2 supports itself in other ways than monthly fees (Microtransactions), but implements it very well.[/QUOTE]
And it requires vastly less resources to maintain, adds less content than WoW does over the long term, and was made for a microtransaction model as opposed to WoW which can't suddenly go F2P without a lot of major game systems having to be redesigned.
Seriously, this conversation is so dumb. "I like TF2, why can't WoW be TF2".
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37911499]and considering I paid $60 for borderlands and only gotten about 40 hours of gameplay out of it while I have gotten hundreds of hours of gameplay out of WoW, the overall cost vs entertainment makes WoW a worthwhile game for me
just because you can't justify $15/month while 10 million other people can doesn't suddenly make monthly subscriptions bad or 10 million people retarded[/QUOTE]
I don't think he nor am I are implying that the people that do pay that royalty are [I]retarded.[/I]
I'm blaming the company, not the players. As stated much, much earlier in the argument with
[quote]$15 a month is a ripoff either way, imo.
And no, before anyone attempts a witty response. I'm not talking about the fact that people can probably afford this. I'm simply stating that $15 a month after this 7 years is a fucking joke.[/quote]
[editline]4th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37911602]And it requires vastly less resources to maintain, adds less content than WoW does over the long term, and was made for a microtransaction model as opposed to WoW which can't suddenly go F2P without a lot of major game systems having to be redesigned.
Seriously, this conversation is so dumb. "I like TF2, why can't WoW be TF2".[/QUOTE]
TF2 didn't start as a micro-transaction game. At vanilla it was an entirely different system infact.
Valve have been working in the model ever since they announced it, but that was a good while after it actually released.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37911552]The arguments cross there imo.
He's trying to argue that he's paying so much to do the same thing over and over (which I do not think what WoW is like myself), and I responded that he doesn't have to pay to do that in TF2[/QUOTE]
I've always concidered the amount of $ I've spent per hour played in a game. For example League of Legends, which I must have many thousands of hours on now, I have also bought a lot of RP through the years. But comparing the dollars spent per hours played it's still dirt cheap compared to most singleplayer games, which gives you rather few hours, at a set price.
So me, probably having a fuckton of thousands of hours in WoW, those $15 a month is nothing to the amount of time I spend each month on WoW, that is of course until I stop finding it fun to actually play wow, but that's when you should quit.
[QUOTE=Untouch;37911581]So my opinion isn't valid in this case?
Okay.[/QUOTE]
your opinion is that "WoW is the same thing for $15 a month. oh and i can't play it more than once a week based on my schedule."
Nobody's forcing you to pay for WoW and yet you hail WoW's subscription model as the worst part in the game because apparently it's unenjoyable for people who can justify the expense solely because, clearly, WoW is not the game for you.
Some people just don't like MMOs. You don't have to blame the game for that.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37910955]Well because it's fun.
That's kinda how video games work.[/QUOTE]
I think it's safe to say that WoW was at its funniest a long time ago, for a long time. It's amazing how long one single game managed to amuse me, and a bunch of other people.
But still, anyone who has played WoW "smartly" since the vanilla has basically seen all the goodness that WoW has/had to offer, even if they quit playing it inside the last few years.
[QUOTE=Untouch;37911581]So my opinion isn't valid in this case?
Okay.
I'd be fine if they gave you 15 dollars a month in content, to an extent RIFT did, but WoW doesn't, that's my opinion.[/QUOTE]
>WoW has less content than Rift.
Yeah no ones got a problem with your opinion bub we are just showing you how ignorant it is.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37911640]>WoW has less content than Rift.
Yeah no ones got a problem with your opinion bub we are just showing you how ignorant it is.[/QUOTE]
I said they added content.
How long did you have to deal with DS?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37911640]>WoW has less content than Rift.
Yeah no ones got a problem with your opinion bub we are just showing you how ignorant it is.[/QUOTE]
How much content and what 'Content' is defined as is subjective.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;37911587]Doesnt this always happens when a new expansion comes out? Then after a few months everyone stops playing[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. Around content patches the subscribers rise, and slowly falls off and each time they release new content it goes up, then slowly down.
[QUOTE=jiggu;37911633]
So me, probably having a fuckton of thousands of hours in WoW, those $15 a month is nothing to the amount of time I spend each month on WoW, that is of course until I stop finding it fun to actually play wow, but that's when you should quit.[/QUOTE]
Fucking this people. It's not hard. If you consider someone plays 20 hours of WoW a week, that's 80 hours for $15. That's more game time than I get out of most $60 games.
The main problem is that WoW is almost like an investment. If you start playing and decide you like it, that's an extra fifteen bucks that you're tacking onto your expenses. If you get more game time in a month of WoW than you do out of most 60 dollar games, good for you, but then in order to keep that experience going you have to pay for it again and again and again to get the same level of enjoyment out of it, or even less if the amount of fun you take from it dwindles. That's not saying that WoW is a bad game or that it's not worth paying for, only that you have to KEEP paying for it if you want to be able to keep that same 60 dollar game experience.
[QUOTE=Doomish;37911724]The main problem is that WoW is almost like an investment. If you start playing and decide you like it, that's an extra fifteen bucks that you're tacking onto your expenses. If you get more game time in a month of WoW than you do out of most 60 dollar games, good for you, but then in order to keep that experience going you have to pay for it again and again and again to get the same level of enjoyment out of it, or even less if the amount of fun you take from it dwindles. That's not saying that WoW is a bad game or that it's not worth paying for, only that you have to KEEP paying for it if you want to be able to keep that same 60 dollar game experience.[/QUOTE]
Right, but ultimately it's down to how you value $15 and how much time you get out of it. If you don't think it's worth $15 then that's great, you don't have to pay for it. There are plenty of other games out there.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37910931]I still don't know how people can bring themselves to pay $15 per month for a 7-8 year old game.[/QUOTE]
EVE is nine years old.
[QUOTE=jiggu;37911633]So me, probably having a fuckton of thousands of hours in WoW, those $15 a month is nothing to the amount of time I spend each month on WoW, that is of course until I stop finding it fun to actually play wow, but that's when you should quit.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I never found WoW to be "no longer fun."
I could always go outside Orgrimmar and duel people with my badass Undead Frostmage. Or PvE heal Heroic Dungeons/Raids with my Druid. Whatever.
But I just realized I had literally seen it all. Everything. Raids of all sizes, guilds of different kinds, a few definite favorite main characters in the end, PvP-Arenas ranging from 1500 to 2300 "skill" rating, etc. So I was glad to quit.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37911752]Right, but ultimately it's down to how you value $15 and how much time you get out of it. If you don't think it's worth $15 then that's great, you don't have to pay for it. There are plenty of other games out there.[/QUOTE]
You could be paying less though. Blizzard are obviously still making an over the top killing from WoW being so expensive for so long, not to mention being the top MMO.
What [I]you [/I]can afford is beyond the point.
Unrelated, but if WoW was perhaps a little cheaper (or just not a ppm fee) I would play it a lot more.
I would gladly pay a one-time £60 fee rather than having to spend so much on the game. And blizzard would [I]still[/I] making an absolute killing this way.
[QUOTE=jiggu;37911539]Not trying to take any sides, but I think there are two different discussions in this thread, one about the price, one about what you actually do in the game. He answered with TF2 against that guy complaining about you doing the same shit over and over in WoW, yet he has done it for over 2000 hours in Tf2.
Anyways I don't find $15 to be bad at all, it was a problem when I had a 20$ alamony, but that was like 5 years ago. $15 is a lot cheaper than almost any other entertainment you can get in a month. Sure it adds up in the long run, but you gotta realize that you've spent a lot of hours over that game too. I wish to know how many total hours played I have in WoW.[/QUOTE]
If you still play, you can type /played to find your play time for that character. Just do that for your characters that you think have the highest play time and you should get a rough estimate.
[QUOTE=lemonsman;37911773]If you still play, you can type /played to find your play time for that character. Just do that for your characters that you think have the highest play time and you should get a rough estimate.[/QUOTE]
I switch characters way too often for that to work, and some are deleted.
[editline]4th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37911771]Actually, I never found WoW to be "no longer fun."
I could always go outside Orgrimmar and duel people with my badass Undead Frostmage. Or PvE heal Heroic Dungeons/Raids with my Druid. Whatever.
But I just realized I had literally seen it all. Everything. Raids of all sizes, guilds of different kinds, a few definite favorite main characters in the end, PvP-Arenas ranging from 1500 to 2300 "skill" rating, etc. So I was glad to quit.[/QUOTE]
My problem is that there are few of the core things of WoW that I actually find fun. I've always loved reading up on the lore, finding out cool things in the universe, exploring, I even like the so-called shit lore that people complain about, I've been hooked to the WoW universe since Wc2.
But I don't find raiding to be very fun, or I have just not found the right guild for it yet. I have never liked PvP much either, and dungeons are just the farming before raids.
So aside from exploring, the only thing I've liked in WoW is finding fun people.
One thing I freaking loved in GW2 was the cross-world guilds. There was always someone to talk to, may they be from the US, Australia or Europe, you could always talk to someone. But in WoW I find my guild to have me and one AFKer online. This is part of why I haven't bought MoP yet, I am interested about the story, but I have one IRL mate playing on Frostmane with a few of his classmates, but they'll either die out, or die out. And then I have a few others on Argent Dawn, in a guild with only me and them in it. It gets really boring with just us in it.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37911772]You could be paying less though. Blizzard are obviously still making an over the top killing from WoW being so expensive for so long, not to mention being the top MMO.
What [I]you [/I]can afford is beyond the point.
Unrelated, but if WoW was perhaps a little cheaper (or just not a ppm fee) I would play it a lot more.
I would gladly pay a one-time £60 fee rather than having to spend so much on the game. And blizzard would [I]still[/I] making an absolute killing this way.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind the monthly fee, and i guess that's our biggest difference
And then in a couple of months WoW's subscribers will plummet and will end up becoming F2P by Blizzard. Call my bluff.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;37912080]And then in a couple of months WoW's subscribers will plummet and will end up becoming F2P by Blizzard. Call my bluff.[/QUOTE]
Actually I think Storm Legion will kill it. Or The Elder Scrolls Online.
TESO is gonna flop and RIFT isn't different enough to steal WoW's subscribers
I played RIFT long enough to convince myself it was different and then it wasn't.
WoW I can't believe people still play this game!
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;37912235]WoW I can't believe people still play this game![/QUOTE]
Blizzard is really good at pandaring to their customers.
I'll stick to Guildwars 2 thank you! Rather not waste my time grinding the same creatures over and over again. Why people find that fun is beyond me...
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