OSHA publishes Best-Practice Guide for transgender bathroom access in the workplace
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48241845]Why are gendered bathrooms necessary at all? Instead of paying twice as much for two separate restrooms, invest a little more than average into one larger restroom with better privacy features (floor to ceiling stalls and stall doors). There, you've eliminated the "terrible controversy" of which bathrooms everybody should use.[/QUOTE]
As long as the urinals are going nowhere, sure.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48242246]Really weak argument to make when trying to fight a corporate policy backed with employee complaints regarding harassing behavior. Insofar as the law goes, that picture's incriminating - if he didn't have the consent of the female in the photo, he's photographed someone in an area where a reasonable person would believe they would have privacy - a violation of their privacy rights.
In the US, if she'd complained, he'd be toast.[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair he checked the bathrooms before doing these stunts and even kept a guard outside to warn anybody coming. The women in the photo were his "friends or family"
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSRCYPDk_g[/media]
But if he didnt. Even if he spraypainted over the mirrors or some sort of vandalism. He's only one person, transgender people as a whole only can go in their birth bathrooms just because this guy did a bad thing? :v:
[QUOTE=MedicWine;48243944]But if he didnt. Even if he spraypainted over the mirrors or some sort of vandalism. He's only one person, transgender people as a whole only can go in their birth bathrooms just because this guy did a bad thing? :v:[/QUOTE]
My argument is that people trying to ruin transgender rights by taking "bathroom selfies" in protest to make people uncomfortable should probably get shitcanned for it, and rightfully so. Nobody remotely cares how offended you are, if you're in the bathroom, shit or get off the pot.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48243738]As long as the urinals are going nowhere, sure.[/QUOTE]
We don't need urinals.
[QUOTE=Bushi;48241944]If bathrooms are to be segregated/separated at all, it should be based on biological sex, not gender imo.
Since you're going to a bathroom specifically to use your biological organs to relieve yourself, it would be logical to base it on that.[/QUOTE]
almost all toilets worldwide are unisex so what difference would it make?
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48244480]We don't need urinals.[/QUOTE]
i'm with you on that one. never saw the purpose to a urinal beyond convention. many business' toilets don't have urinals here anymore
they can be put in cubicles if someone really felt the need to piss in a urinal in specific anyways
Hell if you really need urinals that much, just make urinal stalls. would be using a few more cm of depth than someone standing there.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48244480]We don't need urinals.[/QUOTE]
I suppose you've never cleaned toilets on a large scale then. Urinals aren't just there because it's manly to stand up and piss you know.
[QUOTE=.Lain;48244599]my local swimming pool semi recently converted their changing rooms and bathrooms from split to unisex, and they almost doubled the amount of space for cubicles in both of them.
i don't get the 'more expensive' argument. that amount of extra space outweighs any initial effort in the long term[/QUOTE]
I would like to point out that I'm not against non-gendered bathrooms, I just want the urinals to be in the deal somehow. Urinals shorten toilet queues by an ungodly amount, and they're much easier to keep tidy (assuming people don't shit in them of course).
my local swimming pool semi recently converted their changing rooms and bathrooms from split to unisex, and they almost doubled the amount of space for cubicles in both of them.
i don't get the 'more expensive' argument. that amount of extra space outweighs any initial effort in the long term
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48244598]I suppose you've never cleaned toilets on a large scale then. Urinals aren't just there because it's manly to stand up and piss you know.[/QUOTE]
Having fewer bathrooms makes it easier and cheaper to clean them. As Crimor said, if you really feel the need to include urinals, just pop those in stalls too, or put them behind a privacy wall in a row. I think that they're a waste of space in a unisex bathroom though.
[QUOTE=A Sock Accnt;48242300]This thread has left wing circlejerking comparable to fucking tumblr.
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haha tumblr right
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48244618]Having fewer bathrooms makes it easier and cheaper to clean them. As Crimor said, if you reallyfeel the need to include urinals, just pop those in stalls too. I think that they're a waste of space in a unisex bathroom though.[/QUOTE]
Stalls complicate things (cleaning and space, but yeah not huge problems) but of course I'm open to compromises. They're not a waste of space though - ever gone to a festival? The queues for the toilets are literally made up of 95% women, simply because they go to the toilet when they have to pee. Of course festivals are an edge case, but this was a problem even in the cinema I worked at.
You can't clean toilets while people are using them either. Dropping urinals would basically double queue length, make sure that you will generally find pee on your seat (men generally think they're better at aiming than they are), take up more space [I]and[/I] complicate cleaning. And for what tangible improvement exactly?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48244618]Having fewer bathrooms makes it easier and cheaper to clean them. As Crimor said, if you really feel the need to include urinals, just pop those in stalls too, or put them behind a privacy wall in a row. I think that they're a waste of space in a unisex bathroom though.[/QUOTE]
in the space of one stall you can have 2, maybe even 3 urinals, which as most people are using the restroom to urinate having urinals allows for a much quicker turnaround rate, especially in busy places. i support putting dividers in but i don't think i could support putting them in stalls because that defeats the purpose slightly, which is compactness and speed of use
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hell if it is trough or wall-style you can get maybe even 4 people pissing in the space of one stall if it is packed and people are desperate enough
Fair enough to those points. Would including a row of urinals, or a long trough urinal, behind a privacy divider be an acceptable solution? It addresses the problems you highlighted while still allowing for a single large unisex bathroom as opposed to two small gendered ones. This would be cheaper, more efficient, and easier to maintain than the alternative, I would think.
I don't mind how bathrooms and genders work at all, I just don't want to poop in the same room as girls because I'm poop shy and having the opposite sex around makes it a billion times worse
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48244727]Fair enough to those points. Would including a row of urinals, or a long trough urinal, behind a privacy divider be an acceptable solution? It addresses the problems you highlighted while still allowing for a single large unisex bathroom as opposed to two small gendered ones. This would be cheaper, more efficient, and easier to maintain than the alternative, I would think.[/QUOTE]
Sure, go for it - all I really wanted is that we still keep practicality in eye, but this is a good solution. Cleaning one bathroom would definitely be easier than two (though not by that much I think), and if it helps transgender people I really don't see the issue.
Bathrooms should be based on sex since most of them are specifically designed based on what parts you have.
[QUOTE=matt000024;48245495]Bathrooms should be based on sex since most of them are specifically designed based on what parts you have.[/QUOTE]
A toilet is a toilet and a sink is a sink. Only urinals are specifically designed for males. Otherwise, the only gender-specific item I can immediately think of is feminine hygiene product dispensers, but those aren't out of place in a unisex bathroom.
[QUOTE=matt000024;48245495]Bathrooms should be based on sex since most of them are specifically designed based on what parts you have.[/QUOTE]
Urinals are completely optional, though.
[QUOTE=Katska;48245978]Urinals are completely optional, though.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but in a male bathroom the stalls are reserved for people who need to shit (most of the time), but in a unisex restroom it could make it a lot more different for males who need to shit.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48243965]My argument is that people trying to ruin transgender rights by taking "bathroom selfies" in protest to make people uncomfortable should probably get shitcanned for it, and rightfully so. Nobody remotely cares how offended you are, if you're in the bathroom, shit or get off the pot.[/QUOTE]
I'm not quite sure you understand. These are transgender people, protesting against the fact that they have to use the bathrooms of the sex they were born as rather than the gender with which they identify by taking a picture of themselves. Trans women do this too, but they typically try to include a urinal in the picture. I imagine he included a woman to show that it was a women's bathroom despite him obviously not being one.
[QUOTE=Katska;48245978]Urinals are completely optional, though.[/QUOTE]
So are toilets, we could replace them with squat holes.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48246004]So are toilets, we could replace them with squat holes.[/QUOTE]
Some toilets in some countries are built like that, yeah. Point is, urinals aren't totally necessary for a functional bathroom. Urinals are built solely for the purpose of urination, while a toilet, or even a squat hole, would be built for both urination and defecation.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48246000]I'm not quite sure you understand. These are transgender people, protesting against the fact that they have to use the bathrooms of the sex they were born as rather than the gender with which they identify by taking a picture of themselves. Trans women do this too, but they typically try to include a urinal in the picture. I imagine he included a woman to show that it was a women's bathroom despite him obviously not being one.[/QUOTE]
My general point is 'stop taking selfies in bathrooms to make a point, you're making yourself look like a creep'
[QUOTE=matt000024;48245993]Yes, but in a male bathroom the stalls are reserved for people who need to shit (most of the time), but in a unisex restroom it could make it a lot more different for males who need to shit.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't make any difference
[QUOTE=.Lain;48244599]i don't get the 'more expensive' argument. that amount of extra space outweighs any initial effort in the long term[/QUOTE]
Because it's not at all cheap to hire a construction crew to tear down the wall between bathrooms, redo all the plumbing and move the toilets and sinks, and put up new stalls that go from floor to roof.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48247607]Because it's not at all cheap to hire a construction crew to tear down the wall between bathrooms, redo all the plumbing and move the toilets and sinks, and put up new stalls that go from floor to roof.[/QUOTE]
I'd say this is a better plan for new buildings moving forward, not exactly for conversion of existing bathrooms.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48247607]Because it's not at all cheap to hire a construction crew to tear down the wall between bathrooms, redo all the plumbing and move the toilets and sinks, and put up new stalls that go from floor to roof.[/QUOTE]
maybe for small businesses, but for government and public buildings that will be used for a long time the benefit will outweigh that cost.
My Universities club has uni sex toilets and they're great. Because they have to deal with more people, it's way larger and kept way cleaner than having two separate bathrooms. I don't think any person has ever had a problem with using them either, it's just better for everyone and less hassle across the board.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48236083]The only real scary thing about full unisex restrooms is the combined gross shit you'd find in each respective restroom.
Get ready for some used tampons and shit in urinals in the same room.[/QUOTE]
A unisex toilet would probably not have urinals.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;48250089]A unisex toilet would probably not have urinals.[/QUOTE]
But urinals are quick, convenient, and use less water than a toilet.
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