Millionaire puts up a kickstarter to raise $900 for her daughter to make an RPG with, raises $21000, - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Turnips5;40050820]who the fuck sends messages like this god almighty[/QUOTE] i think i've got a picture of another horrible incident of harassment. [img]http://i.imgur.com/DPaGrI4.jpg[/img] [editline]27th March 2013[/editline] seriously though, how is anyone still falling for this crap? there's always going to be attention-seeking trolls sending shit like this for no reason other than provoking a response. normal people ignore it and get on with their lives, people who want even more attention themselves magnify it and spin a sob story like they're being spit on in the streets. it may say something about the internet that people send anonymous bits of mean text to people but it says more that she can't even act like an adult.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;40050919]If her mother is a millionaire... why does she need a kickstarter for money so her kid can get into a camp?[/QUOTE] Her kid doesn't understand the concept of money yet so when her brothers said it was a waste of money she said she'd pay for it herself. So instead of teaching her kid about money she thought she'd help her get the money from total strangers. Or something.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;40050820]who the fuck sends messages like this god almighty[/QUOTE] The internet. Just being on it can be enough to get death threats. -snip- Fuck it, I don't need an anecdote. Everyone and their mother has been threatened on the internet.

This is exactly why Kickstarter should actually stop contributions once they reach their goal. They've budgeted themselves this goal - the rest of the money goes to what? When you go from a $900 goal to send your kid to RPG-camp to prove their kids wrong, sure, that's great! When you get $20,000 from it, what the hell else will you do? Most projects have a specific limit for a reason and exceeding that limit means that the cash may or (more likely) may not go to the intended purpose. Also, here's a perfect example of how not to get people to try to understand or support your cause: [img]http://i.imgur.com/FyDC0Iy.png[/img]

[QUOTE=.Isak.;40051031]This is exactly why Kickstarter should actually stop contributions once they reach their goal. They've budgeted themselves this goal - the rest of the money goes to what? When you go from a $900 goal to send your kid to RPG-camp to prove their kids wrong, sure, that's great! When you get $20,000 from it, what the hell else will you do? Most projects have a specific limit for a reason and exceeding that limit means that the cash may or (more likely) may not go to the intended purpose.[/QUOTE] The problem is that some projects actually could expand from their initial goals if they have more money. For example, a book might be able to be published for some amount, but then they could add more sections if they had money to cover the time and printing costs. I think instead they should require actual, concrete plans for additional funds, and set a limit based on that. Campaigns like this one won't get as far out of hand, since she couldn't really promise anything beyond the game made at the camp, but a lot of other things that actually used the money for something they had planned would've been fine.

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40051148]The problem is that some projects actually could expand from their initial goals if they have more money. For example, a book might be able to be published for some amount, but then they could add more sections if they had money to cover the time and printing costs. I think instead they should require actual, concrete plans for additional funds, and set a limit based on that, so campaigns like this one won't get as far out of hand, since she couldn't really promise anything beyond the game made at the camp.[/QUOTE] Sure, implement a way to expand the time and budget of the kickstarter with defined plans for how they plan to spend the extra money. I remember seeing an amazing video game that promised certain differing levels of content based on how much was raised on kickstarter. If Kickstarter implemented an actual system for that - once you reach your limit, you're able to define a new goal for the same project that any NEW funders would be able to contribute towards, rather than the original goal - it would become a non-issue.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;40051172]Sure, implement a way to expand the time and budget of the kickstarter with defined plans for how they plan to spend the extra money. I remember seeing an amazing video game that promised certain differing levels of content based on how much was raised on kickstarter. If Kickstarter implemented an actual system for that - once you reach your limit, you're able to define a new goal for the same project that any NEW funders would be able to contribute towards, rather than the original goal - it would become a non-issue.[/QUOTE] And then we wouldn't have had (as much) backlash with things like this and Tropes Vs. Women, since they wouldn't have exceeded their goals without having a specific plan for what to do with the money. People would still have their issues with them, but nothing would be as far out of hand.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40039001][img]http://p.twimg.com/AyGXwwRCIAAEvBX.png:large[/img][/QUOTE] I refuse to believe this image, sir. [QUOTE=.Isak.;40051031]Also, here's a perfect example of how not to get people to try to understand or support your cause: [img]http://i.imgur.com/FyDC0Iy.png[/img][/QUOTE] Shad is a shitty poster so no surprise

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40021190]I think I do, I think the mum is clever to get money this way and If I could have gotten money this way I would of which is why I do not think its a terrible thing or even remotely bad, just a clever mum.[/QUOTE] I call it dishonesty and greed...but whatever, define it how you want.

Kickstarter's official stance on the whole mess: [quote]Kickstarter is a funding platform for creative projects. The goal of this project is to create a video game, which backers are offered for a $10 pledge. On Kickstarter backers ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it.[/quote] After all of the crazy press the project has garnered [i]this[/i] is what they gave as a statement? I suppose they should go ahead and amend that "fund my life" project guideline then, seeing how Wilson and her daughter are such strong and independent special flowers.. HA! She admits that her kickstarter isn't allowed in a tweet: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CHr96ly.png[/IMG] [b]Why isn't this down yet if she even admits it's paying for tuition?! It's okay for her daughter but nobody else? Those kids would be making games too![/b]

Reading her posts I am starting to wonder how she even became a millionaire.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;40042686]Having had experience in a couple other threads with the same exact people, the title "misogynistic neckbeard" is as common an insult as "bitch." Really, these people can hardly be considered feminists. It's why I try not to label even though it's inevitable in a discussion like this. They are not activists fighting for women's rights, they're activists fighting for recognition of how offensive things can be against women exclusively, when almost everybody already recognizes that. They just push it to it's absolute limit, insinuating that bitch is an irrevocable insult to half of the world's population every time it's uttered. I campaign for equal rights. It's an insult to everybody that women are not paid or treated equally. These people make a mockery of it by making the public appearance of feminism be one of vanity and obsession with semantics and insults rather than issues that matter. They focus on issues that they themselves have created, such as the existence of oppression as the most important issue of our time when in reality it's hardly existent or noticeable in day-to-day life. They extrapolate its existence in the same way that conspiracy theorists and illuminati people extrapolate the existence of their ideas - women are not equal, therefore they're being ACTIVELY worked against and oppressed. That's false, blatantly false. And it's upsetting to me that this social movement has taken such strong hold, because it's divisive and serves no purpose whatsoever. It invents issues and then attacks them and makes a ton of noise in the process. Knowing several actual feminists (male and female) that campaign for shit in the real world, these people's ideas are absolutely delusional and against the very idea of feminism and equality.[/QUOTE] k before I start getting into your main argument I just want to explain that this really weird infatuation you have with individuality and ~not dividing people into groups~ is as childish as when people over-generalize. Whenever you talk about [I]any[/I] large group of people you have to use labels and make generalizations. Also a label is not something that's used to explain an entire person; as another poster said before it's a brief summary, which can more or less clue you into a person's less-nuanced ideological leanings. [QUOTE]These people make a mockery of it by making the public appearance of feminism be one of vanity and obsession with semantics and insults rather than issues that matter.[/QUOTE] Any time we're having a discussion about insults, we're having a discussion about language, which is an extremely important facet of human intellectualism. Language conveys thoughts and ideas, and in order to do so there must be some objective meaning to an individual word or else it defeats the whole purpose of language. Words most certainly [I]do not[/I] take on whatever meaning you apply to them (this is different from context, which depends on the situation you're in and is something that you ultimately have little or no control over). You can make the argument that some women or even most women do not get offended by the word "bitch" but it's still an insult that's mainly used for women. I even find myself using it sometimes but the fact that you're so bothered by other people's efforts to moderate their own use of the word given its inherently derisive properties on the basis of gender makes me think that you're less concerned about women's rights and more about your right to use the word "bitch." [QUOTE]Really, these people can hardly be considered feminists.[/QUOTE] Feminism is an extremely wide, global phenomenon. The reputation of feminism isn't going to be tarnished just because a few internet posters who espouse ideological feminism are advocating against the use of a particular word. And if the mainstream is so inclined to take a negative view of feminism due to some petty reasons then that just means that there are still reactionary elements willing to defend an insidious form of institutionalized sexism towards women. In that case it's hardly our fault. [QUOTE]They are not activists fighting for women's rights, they're activists fighting for recognition of how offensive things can be against women exclusively, when almost everybody already recognizes that.[/QUOTE] Given how those who are in a position of advantage and privilege are often blind to it (after all it's people's ignorance that allows most systems of supremacy to function), why are you so casually dismissing what could be legitimate concerns about potentially sexist things in our culture? And why should that detract from other feminists' efforts directed toward things that aren't directly related to culture? [QUOTE]They focus on issues that they themselves have created, such as the existence of oppression as the most important issue of our time when in reality it's hardly existent or noticeable in day-to-day life.[/QUOTE] Issues like the gender pay-gap (which even you admit exists), the media's objectification of women, and the sociocultural attitudes that cause [URL="http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsarp00.pdf"]most rape cases to go unreported[/URL] indicate that systemic sexism (or oppression if you want to use a loaded term to make us look more zealous) are not "hardly existent." You also conflate the concepts of visibility with prevalence: hearkening back to my previous point, people belonging to advantaged groups (and yeh I'm operating on the basis of groups, deal with it) tend to be blind to their own privilege, so just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it's not there. [QUOTE]And it's upsetting to me that this social movement has taken such strong hold, because it's divisive and serves no purpose whatsoever.[/QUOTE] What social movement are you talking about, and how is it different from your more acceptable idea of feminism (whose image you so intensely care about)?

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;40040369]This basically happens to pretty much every Sensationalist Headlines thread past page four; everyone just starts violently discussing something that is almost- but not entirely- completely unrelated to the original topic. And then it just never ends until one side just eventually goes "ugh this is fucking pointless"[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's happening in the laser pointer thread. It's turned into a heated debate about whether prison is a good deterrent or whether it just causes recidivism. They're not even talking about whether 2.5 years is fair for the original crime anymore.

[QUOTE=Desuh;40051799]Reading her posts I am starting to wonder how she even became a millionaire.[/QUOTE] If the kinkos.com story is true, it doesn't surprise me at all.

I know she could very well be telling the truth, but to think that such a women can manipulate people like this makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

does kickstarter even have a way to stop people from pledging money once the goal is reached? like if the person running it is like ok i only need this much and i have no use for any extra so stop giving me money but yeah, jesus. the chick is in the top 1% and had to ask regular people for $900?

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;40053632]does kickstarter even have a way to stop people from pledging money once the goal is reached? like if the person running it is like ok i only need this much and i have no use for any extra so stop giving me money[/QUOTE] Don't think so. If it does, I've never seen anyone use it. Kickstarter makes money off campaigns, so they have an incentive to let it run up more.

man this whole story is a shit storm

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;40053632]does kickstarter even have a way to stop people from pledging money once the goal is reached? like if the person running it is like ok i only need this much and i have no use for any extra so stop giving me money[/QUOTE] This is all they say about that: [quote][B]What happens when a project is overfunded?[/B] When a project is overfunded backers sometimes wonder: what happens with all that “extra” money? If a creator has a funding goal of $5,000 and raises $25,000, what do they do with the $20,000 they didn’t ask for? What the creator does in that case varies greatly depending on the project. Most of the time what seems like “extra” money isn’t extra at all. Ten times the funding often means ten times the backers. More rewards have to be produced and distributed, and creators need that funding to do it (and sometimes some of their own money too). Sometimes when a project is overfunded it lets the creator put that money back into the project to create something better for the backers and themselves. More songs on an album, additional game elements, better materials, etc. In other cases, overfunding leads to better margins and the creator may even profit from the project. This often also means that the creator can continue the project beyond Kickstarter and backers are part of that story.[/quote]

This is hillarious.

. You'd think it'd be a no brainer to shut this thing down for integrity's sake and PR. This project is a drop in the bucket for their profits. I wonder where they're going to draw the line since this is perfectly fine now somehow.

[QUOTE=Scientastic;40051673]Kickstarter's official stance on the whole mess: After all of the crazy press the project has garnered [I]this[/I] is what they gave as a statement? I suppose they should go ahead and amend that "fund my life" project guideline then, seeing how Wilson and her daughter are such strong and independent special flowers.. HA! She admits that her kickstarter isn't allowed in a tweet: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CHr96ly.png[/IMG] [B]Why isn't this down yet if she even admits it's paying for tuition?! It's okay for her daughter but nobody else? Those kids would be making games too![/B][/QUOTE] wait wait so she starts a kickstarter to fund her daughters tuition only to say that KS doesn't let you do that am i reading this right, think i have to go get my glasses

She started the Kickstarter so her daughter could go to some camp for $900 (the kickstarter goal, which it has far exceeded) to create a RPG when it's actually against the Kickstarter rules to do (The rule is 'Fund My Life', tuition and perhaps a laptop in this case, see the tweet showing she even knows it's against the rules) but Kickstarter doesn't give a shit and has allowed it to proceed since that rule doesn't seem to apply in this case because they want a share of the raised funds. I have no idea what the fuck even happened to this thread but it seems everyone is now talking about sexism and how 'bitch' is degrading to women or something along the lines of that, correct? You guys must love creating shit storms, this is incredibly simple to comprehend and you guys seem to fail to understand what is even going on: This isn't because she's a female. This is because this is against the guidelines of Kickstarter to do a 'Fund My Life' focused project like buy them a laptop or to pay for tuition and that's that. It's such a shame Kickstarter doesn't care, maybe if the project had a low amount of funds but since reaching $20k+, they sure do want a share of the funds, so much for integrity and all that stuff. You guys seem to prefer debating about fuck all instead of the actual problem: She is going against the rules (Fund My Life. I'd like a laptop as well please. She also knows it's against the rules) and Kickstarter doesn't give a shit since they will get a lot of money when the project succeeds. Exactly the reason I rarely post in SH, everyone begins on topic and then it always get derailed somehow and turns into a massive debate over something barely related to the OP.

If this girl was 10 years older she wouldn't get a single penny, but because she's nine people go "Aww how cute! She's so adorable"

[QUOTE=Rathlin1;40065040]You guys seem to prefer debating about fuck all instead of the actual problem[/QUOTE] One user *cough* Shadaez *cough* derailed the thread and the past few pages have been about trying to stop Shadaez from white knighting for women, no matter how awful they may be.

[QUOTE=01271;40066206]One user *cough* Shadaez *cough* derailed the thread and the past few pages have been about trying to stop Shadaez from white knighting for women, no matter how awful they may be.[/QUOTE] I actually wish Shadaez had a vagina, just so he can scoop those cubic-metre of sand out of it and stop being pissy.

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SPENT 20,000 DOLLARS ON [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWY5iPQ9fno[/media]

[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40077573]THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SPENT 20,000 DOLLARS ON [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWY5iPQ9fno[/media][/QUOTE] this is so incredibly cringe worthy [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;40077257]I actually wish Shadaez had a vagina, just so he can scoop those cubic-metre of sand out of it and stop being pissy.[/QUOTE] gj you bumped a thread to tell me how awful I am and you were sexist about it

[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40077573]THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SPENT 20,000 DOLLARS ON [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWY5iPQ9fno[/media][/QUOTE] I can't watch that video entirely, but it feels like gen simmons son coping bleach.

that video is literally hurting me