Millionaire puts up a kickstarter to raise $900 for her daughter to make an RPG with, raises $21000, - Polidicks

There's nothing wrong with the project if it weren't being spammed, really. This clearly violates the TOS but there's nothing wrong with a mom not wanting to just hand her child money for something and instead helping her get the money another way. And it's totally OK for projects [I]to[/I] fund your life but not [I]for[/I] funding your life. Those are two completely different things. Still, you're all getting too worked up over it, especially that Daniel dude.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40025865]There's nothing wrong with the project if it weren't being spammed, really. This clearly violates the TOS but there's nothing wrong with a mom not wanting to just hand her child money for something and instead helping her get the money another way. And it's totally OK for projects [I]to[/I] fund your life but not [I]for[/I] funding your life. Those are two completely different things. Still, you're all getting too worked up over it, especially that Daniel dude.[/QUOTE] the girl can still look up videos on how work with RPG maker for free other than going to a camp that only has 2 or 3 hours of actual "game making" studies and the rest of the hours are playing kickball (its called "teamwork" for some reason) and lunch she doesnt have to beg for money from strangers

Why are people finding it offensive that some of the money will be spent on training? Believe it or not those games you kickstarted in the past? Those developers probably spent some of that kickstarter money on sending people to GDC or other conferences for developers to learn new tricks of AI or graphics. They also likely spent money on equipment on which to develop with. I am curious on what they'll spend the money on after what they need though.

[QUOTE=e_k_M;40025925]the girl can still look up videos on how work with RPG maker for free other than going to a camp that only has 2 or 3 hours of actual "game making" studies and the rest of the hours are playing kickball (its called "teamwork" for some reason) and lunch she doesnt have to beg for money from strangers[/QUOTE] You could make similar arguments to every single kickstarter so that's just a straw argument. The mother's clearly using this to make a profit, but if it were well intended you shouldn't have a problem with it.

Oh man, I don't know about you guys but those rewards are pretty incinting. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/dWDecZx.png[/img_thumb]

Completed in July 2013? Can't wait to read the news article about it being no where near completion, or completely abandoned.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40025865]There's nothing wrong with the project if it weren't being spammed, really. This clearly violates the TOS but there's nothing wrong with a mom not wanting to just hand her child money for something and instead helping her get the money another way. And it's totally OK for projects [I]to[/I] fund your life but not [I]for[/I] funding your life. Those are two completely different things. Still, you're all getting too worked up over it, especially that Daniel dude.[/QUOTE] Most of the time I see you post I wonder what you would say if the genders were swapped. You know what I found in the [URL="http://www.kickstarter.com/help/guidelines"]guidelines of kickstarter[/URL]? [QUOTE][B]No "fund my life" projects.[/B] Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills, go on vacation, or buy a new camera.[/QUOTE] And [QUOTE]A project has a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it. A project is not open-ended. Starting a business, for example, does not qualify as a project.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=latin_geek;40021601]She's making her work for the money, it's an exercise in entrepreneur-ing and I personally think it's better than just giving the kid the money. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're supporting your argument against the little girl with an unexistant project[/QUOTE] Oh I'm sorry, did the 9 year old create the Kickstarter? If that's the case then the mother is a separate entity and has nothing to do with this. If not, then the girl isn't doing any more work than if the mother had funded the money she needed.

[QUOTE=e_k_M;40025783]i'll just post this here [url]https://kickstarterscam.jottit.com/[/url][/QUOTE] I had a feeling that something was up. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DUSb7zE.png[/IMG] It could be just me, but I think that she saw the amount of money some crowdsourced projects have made and wants to replicate their success.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026107]Most of the time I see you post I wonder what you would say if the genders were swapped. You know what I found in the [URL="http://www.kickstarter.com/help/guidelines"]guidelines of kickstarter[/URL]? And[/QUOTE] did you read what you posted & what you quoted "Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills, go on vacation, or buy a new camera." this means a project solely to pay for these things if your project was to make a movie and you needed a new camera to do that, then that's OK, the backers are paying to get the movie created and that's an expense for it making a kickstarter for 'omg i need a camera ;x' and then having a movie as a reward would be different and the gender of the kid has absolutely nothing to do with this, don't attack me for some straw scenario you made up

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40025865]There's nothing wrong with the project if it weren't being spammed, really. This clearly violates the TOS but there's nothing wrong with a mom not wanting to just hand her child money for something and instead helping her get the money another way. And it's totally OK for projects [I]to[/I] fund your life but not [I]for[/I] funding your life. Those are two completely different things. Still, you're all getting too worked up over it, especially that Daniel dude.[/QUOTE] Normal mom: "I'm going to defy gender expectations and show her how she's going to have to make money if she doesn't study by giving her the opportunity to mow the lawn for money and deliver newspapers until she can afford a laptop or I judge that she has gotten the point of working." This person: "I'm going to make a video, kickstarter page and a wall of text to convince clueless strangers to fund my daughter's RPG camp. Thus she will learn that you can always manipulate people by using your feminine charm and a lack of morals."

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40025983]You could make similar arguments to every single kickstarter so that's just a straw argument. The mother's clearly using this to make a profit, but if it were well intended you shouldn't have a problem with it.[/QUOTE] the "begging from strangers" does sound indeed like staw argument and im sorry for that but the point still stands that she can teach herself for free because for some reason her mother doesnt want to give her money and not make a kickstarter just to go to a useless summer camp (that breaks the "fund my life" KS rule)

lol [img]http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7684/shoesv.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40020953]why do people get mad about what other people do with their money? Most people are probably just mad they can't think of a kick starter like that for themselves[/QUOTE] I couldn't give two shits if a millionaire makes a kickstarter for their daughter to make an RPG, people donate whatever they want, it's their money. I'm just mad that Kickstarter still hasn't opened up to all of Europe, sure there are alternatives but they don't get even half as much attention.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026185]did you read what you posted & what you quoted "Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills, go on vacation, or buy a new camera." this means a project solely to pay for these things[/QUOTE] You just seem very gender-biased... Whatever. And the kickstarter is to pay for a tuition bill. [QUOTE]I'm raising $829 to cover the cost of attending this RPG STEM Camp for kids 9-12 years old for a week [/QUOTE] I might have misunderstood then. [QUOTE=Shadaez]And it's totally OK for projects to fund your life but not for funding your life. Those are two completely different things.[/QUOTE] It just makes it seem like you saying it is ok...

[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/1364156699652.jpg[/img] that last paragraph

[QUOTE=01271;40026260]Normal mom: "I'm going to defy gender expectations and show her how she's going to have to make money if she doesn't study by giving her the opportunity to mow the lawn for money and deliver newspapers until she can afford a laptop or I judge that she has gotten the point of working." This person: "I'm going to make a video, kickstarter page and a wall of text to convince clueless strangers to fund my daughter's RPG camp. Thus she will learn that you can always manipulate people by using your feminine charm and a lack of morals."[/QUOTE] That video is actually suspiciously well edited... While the only expense for doing a video like that is (usually) the software... It just seems too "well done"

[QUOTE=entertainer89;40026115]Oh I'm sorry, did the 9 year old create the Kickstarter? If that's the case then the mother is a separate entity and has nothing to do with this. If not, then the girl isn't doing any more work than if the mother had funded the money she needed.[/QUOTE] 9 year olds can't sign up to websites like KS, minimum age is 13. And I'm pretty sure with KS there's probably different rules since it deals with money. [QUOTE=gokiyono;40026323]You just seem very gender-biased... Whatever. And the kickstarter is to pay for a tuition bill. I might have misunderstood then. It just makes it seem like you saying it is ok...[/QUOTE] Do you not understand the difference between using funds for x and making a kickstarter for x? The kickstarter is for the creation of a game, the funds are being used to pay for tuition so she can fulfill the kickstarter. The kickstarter isn't for her tuition. Huge difference. Yes, in this case it should be removed because it's clear that the mother is doing this for profit; but there's nothing inherently wrong with the project.

[QUOTE=e_k_M;40026334][img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/1364156699652.jpg[/img] that last paragraph[/QUOTE] Life lesson... A life lesson the hard way would(should) be if the girl actually worked for the money. But here she is just given it to them, [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1256132&p=40026260&viewfull=1#post40026260"]01271 was right[/URL], what does that teach them?

[QUOTE=01271;40026260]Thus she will learn that you can always manipulate people by using your feminine charm and a lack of morals.[/QUOTE] you are the person interpreting it this way, that's pretty shitty of you

Well if that kind of project gets approved, maybe I'll launch this old kickstarter I've had sitting around. [url]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1362020893/1252150507?token=70e645cc[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/DIV6TO7.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;40026432]Well if that kind of project gets approved, maybe I'll launch this old kickstarter I've had sitting around. [url]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1362020893/1252150507?token=70e645cc[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/DIV6TO7.png[/img][/QUOTE] feel free to do it, with the internet up in arms about this you'd probably be successful

watch out for suddenly getting $14,000 from random people

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026406] Do you not understand the difference between using funds for x and making a kickstarter for x? The kickstarter is for the creation of a game, the funds are being used to pay for tuition so she can fulfill the kickstarter. The kickstarter isn't for her tuition. Huge difference. Yes, in this case it should be removed because it's clear that the mother is doing this for profit; but there's nothing inherently wrong with the project.[/QUOTE] I'm happy to hear we can at least agree on one thing. But that first part confuses me though (and maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker.) If I understand correctly, the kickstarter page it is used to pay for the RPG STEM Camp. Most places when I google tuition seems to synonymously agree that it means "[I]A fee for instruction, especially at a formal institution of learning[/I]." And from the kickstarter guidelines "[I]Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills[/I]" Did I miss something?

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026500]Did I miss something?[/QUOTE] No, not really. His argument is basically how it's worded: you're not paying her tuition, you're paying for a hypothetical game (of which the only description is that it's an "RPG game") and that the [I]primary expense[/I] is her tuition. I'm still firmly in the camp that it blatantly violates the rules of kickstarter, and even if it doesn't they've violated others.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026500]I'm happy to hear we can at least agree on one thing. But that first part confuses me though (and maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker.) If I understand correctly, the kickstarter page it is used to pay for the RPG STEM Camp. Most places when I google tuition seems to synonymously agree that it means "[I]A fee for instruction, especially at a formal institution of learning[/I]." And from the kickstarter guidelines "[I]Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills[/I]" Did I miss something?[/QUOTE] yes you keep missing something [I]Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills[/I] the project isn't to pay tuition, it is to make a game, there is a big difference. [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;40026554]No, not really. His argument is basically how it's worded: you're not paying her tuition, you're paying for a hypothetical game (of which the only description is that it's an "RPG game") and that the [I]primary expense[/I] is her tuition. I'm still firmly in the camp that it blatantly violates the rules of kickstarter, and even if it doesn't they've violated others.[/QUOTE] There is a huge semantic difference between the two, and I'm fairly certain that is the way they intended it.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026423]you are the person interpreting it this way, that's pretty shitty of you[/QUOTE] some girl I talk to agrees that's it's bandwagoning on the inequality thing and is manipulative, it's not really shitty to do. [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=gokiyono;40026500]I'm happy to hear we can at least agree on one thing. But that first part confuses me though (and maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker.) If I understand correctly, the kickstarter page it is used to pay for the RPG STEM Camp. Most places when I google tuition seems to synonymously agree that it means "[I]A fee for instruction, especially at a formal institution of learning[/I]." And from the kickstarter guidelines "[I]Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills[/I]" Did I miss something?[/QUOTE] you're completely correct, for the reason ray the sun elaborated you're paying for the tuition because it's part of the cost of making the final product.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026558]yes you keep missing something [I]Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills[/I] the project isn't to pay tuition, it is to make a game, there is a big difference. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I'm raising $829 to [B]cover the cost of attending this RPG STEM Camp[/B] for kids 9-12 years old for a week[/QUOTE] I think this time you missed something. How is that not a tuition bill?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40025865]...it's totally OK for projects [I]to[/I] fund your life but not [I]for[/I] funding your life.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shadaez;40026406]...the funds are being used to pay for tuition...The kickstarter isn't for her tuition...[/QUOTE] Your brains is made from poop and farts.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026591]I think this time you missed something. How is that not a tuition bill?[/QUOTE] How is this different from other developers who have been kickstarted and used the money to go to GDC or other conferences as well as work on the game? They're both going there to learn something. This girl's just happens to be on a more basic level.