Millionaire puts up a kickstarter to raise $900 for her daughter to make an RPG with, raises $21000, - Polidicks

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026591]I think this time you missed something. How is that not a tuition bill?[/QUOTE] You're from Denmark so I'm assuming english isn't your primary language, there is a very clear difference between the goal of the kickstarter and what the funds are being used for. While I get that KS most likely never wanted funds solely to be used on tuition (or a camera, or living expenses), that's not what the rules say. The goal of the kickstarter and the means of getting to the goal are very different things. [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Samoht;40026603]Your brains is made from poop and farts.[/QUOTE] The goal of the kickstarter and how you go about getting to the goal are different things.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;40026651]How is this different from other developers who have been kickstarted and used the money to go to GDC or other conferences as well as work on the game? They're both going there to learn something. This girl's just happens to be on a more basic level.[/QUOTE] Where did I say it was?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026658]The goal of the kickstarter and how you go about getting to the goal are different things.[/QUOTE] That's a fair point, but I definitely don't think this kickstarter is for funding the development of a game. If that's not the case, please describe this game to me.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026698]Where did I say it was?[/QUOTE] Both are paying to go learn something from people who know something they don't. Both cost money. Implying that other kickstarted games can have violated the TOS by spending money on going to GDC.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026658]There is a very clear difference between the goal of the kickstarter and what the funds are being used for. While I get that KS most likely never wanted funds solely to be used on tuition (or a camera, or living expenses), that's not what the rules say. The goal of the kickstarter and the means of getting to the goal are very different things.[/QUOTE] The money was supposed to cover her going to camp where she would learn to make that RPG though... And that is against the rules because it covers means of education. [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=darkrei9n;40026733]Both are paying to go learn something from people who know something they don't. Both cost money. Implying that other kickstarted games can have violated the TOS by spending money on going to GDC.[/QUOTE] What? I asked where I said it was ok. Because I didn't. In fact something like [URL="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2005831476/revive-retronauts-your-favorite-classic-gaming-pod?ref=category"]this[/URL] just confuses me.

Original draft of the Kickstarter [URL="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/623745679/948103832?token=3fa62ca3"]here[/URL]. :v:

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026738]The money was supposed to cover her going to camp where she would learn to make that RPG though...[/quote] yep [QUOTE=gokiyono;40026738] And that is against the rules because it covers means of education. [/QUOTE] nope I'm just repeating myself here, but let me make up another scenario; If someone wants to make a game and they need 5 months and they already have the tools, expertise, and whatever to do it you would basically be paying for their living expenses while they do it, and that is OK because in the end the goal is to create the game. The goal wasn't to pay for their living expenses, even though it did.

Reported the bitch. Everyone else should do the same. This needs to be a lesson learned for Kickstarter.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026840]yep nope I'm just repeating myself here, but let me make up another scenario; If someone wants to make a game and they need 5 months and they already have the tools, expertise, and whatever to do it you would basically be paying for their living expenses while they do it, and that is OK because in the end the goal is to create the game. The goal wasn't to pay for their living expenses, even though it did.[/QUOTE] But that scenario aren't comparable. The money is so she can go to a camp where she can [B][U]learn[/U][/B] how to make a game, thus you pay a tuition fee. The someone you describe already knows how to do it and does not need to pay for some education.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40026976]But that scenario aren't comparable. The money is so she can go to a camp where she can [B][U]learn[/U][/B] how to make a game, thus you pay a tuition fee. The someone you describe already knows how to do it and does not need to pay for some education.[/QUOTE] but they're paying for living expenses, that's against the rules, right??

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026999]but they're paying for living expenses, that's against the rules, right??[/QUOTE] No it isn't and tuition and other fees are clearly differentiated in the TOS that has been pasted for you in replies. Living expenses are things you can't not incur in the passing of time on a project, tuition is not something you need to go through to make a project and is generally assumed you're not being paid to go through school as it is stated CLEARLY in the TOS

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026423]you are the person interpreting it this way, that's pretty shitty of you[/QUOTE] Beliefs: Person does hard manual labor -> Learns that hard work can pay off or learns that they don't want to go down that path in life. Person has work cut out for them -> Learns that whatever they did was easy and is therefore a valid job for them (in this case seeing their mom break all the rules and get all the money). Also what the person above me said: paying to train a priviledged person's child to be able to fulfill the kickstarter is dumb. Why not give that money to someone else if everyone can make a game after passing the camp?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40026999]but they're paying for living expenses, that's against the rules, right??[/QUOTE] And did I say it was ok? No. I said it was not comparable.

Why is this a hard concept. Kick starter lets you use that money to live, because making a project is a full time job. You don't have time to work a job to survive, the kick starter covers development expenses of which living expenses are included. It pays for that games development. Larger teams that raise millions are paying employees like it were a job. Why is it hard to grasp how this works for a small team?

[QUOTE=e_k_M;40026334][img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/1364156699652.jpg[/img] that last paragraph[/QUOTE] She talks about how this is teaching her daughter a life lesson, but doesn't actually detail what that is. She then goes on to about how she's going to force her sons to "admit they were being brats", and that they will learn the lesson "the hard way". It's getting more transparent that this is just a gender-biased rant from her. [quote]For the record, "successful" is very different from rich. Our kids attend public school... because that's what we can afford and what we think is best.[/quote] What's the point here? Is she saying that her daughter isn't just getting rich off this, but she's successful because she goes to public school which somehow translates to her not being well off, despite having a millionaire mother? I really don't understand her train of thought. [quote]"...because again, the crowd is way smarter than a few individuals (no matter where they went to school)."[/quote] So a town full of preteens is more intelligent than a handful of the world's greatest scientists? The truth of an idea is never governed by the number of people supporting it.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40027040]No it isn't and tuition and other fees are clearly differentiated in the TOS that has been pasted for you in replies. Living expenses are things you can't not incur in the passing of time on a project, tuition is not something you need to go through to make a project and is generally assumed you're not being paid to go through school as it is stated CLEARLY in the TOS[/QUOTE] Fair enough. I am simply arguing that tuition, as a part of expenses, doesn't always break the guidelines. [quote]No "fund my life" projects. Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills, go on vacation, or buy a new camera.[/quote] They do not explicitly state that you cannot use your kickstarter funds for tuition, a camera, or other 'life funds' they are saying it shouldn't be the goal. You can purchase a camera as a part of your project. You can pay for tuition as a part of your project. I suppose in this case it's a misuse of the funds since it's the sole purpose of the money.

the only big thing here that i have an issue with is the fact that it's got 21k. on all other projects, the excess money is thrown back into the game to make it better. what the hell is that going to amount to with this?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40027256]Fair enough. I am simply arguing that tuition, as a part of expenses, doesn't always break the guidelines. They do not explicitly state that you cannot use your kickstarter funds for tuition, a camera, or other 'life funds' they are saying it shouldn't be the goal. You can purchase a camera as a part of your project. You can pay for tuition as a part of your project. I suppose in this case it's a misuse of the funds since it's the sole purpose of the money.[/QUOTE] So by that logic, can I make a Kickstarter advertising a game idea, use the money to attend a school like Digipen, and then [i]maybe[/i] deliver the game after I graduate? [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] Since you disagree, why not? Attending Digipen is just a part of the expense, just like that Kickstarter.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40027256]Fair enough. I am simply arguing that tuition, as a part of expenses, doesn't always break the guidelines. They do not explicitly state that you cannot use your kickstarter funds for tuition, a camera, or other 'life funds' they are saying it shouldn't be the goal. You can purchase a camera as a part of your project. You can pay for tuition as a part of your project. I suppose in this case it's a misuse of the funds since it's the sole purpose of the money.[/QUOTE] I really, REALLY, don't agree. The goal of the kick starter can't be to go to school in part, as a side goal or as a main goal. It just can't be, it's not the same as life expenses. It doesn't seem reasonable It's just frankly not comparable in any way to relate life expenses and tuition. You have to incur life expenses. There's no way to justify school by this. I also don't think if we let that happen that it would be fair

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40027306]So by that logic, can I make a Kickstarter advertising a game idea, use the money to attend a school like Digipen, and then [i]maybe[/i] deliver the game after I graduate?[/QUOTE] I think that counts as scam though...

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40027306]So by that logic, can I make a Kickstarter advertising a game idea, use the money to attend a school like Digipen, and then [i]maybe[/i] deliver the game after I graduate?[/QUOTE] no, but you could pay for a short class on how to better use a game engine or something like that

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40027306]So by that logic, can I make a Kickstarter advertising a game idea, use the money to attend a school like Digipen, and then [i]maybe[/i] deliver the game after I graduate?[/QUOTE] That actually might work if you make a detailed outline beforehand and work on concepts or something while attending school. Major point being: the end product needs to be actively worked on, not just some obscure goal down the road.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40027354]no, but you could pay for a short class on how to better use a game engine or something like that[/QUOTE] But I don't know how to make a game and I need a school to educate me on making one. It would be just a part of the expense.

Okay yeah turns out this Mother is a complete bitch. Voids my previous arguments.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40027390]But I don't know how to make a game and I need a school to educate me on making one. It would be just a part of the expense.[/QUOTE] If you don't know how to make a game then you should learn how to make one before making a kickstarter. Because kickstarter should be for people with realistic projects and clear plans and not for idea guys.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;40026432]Well if that kind of project gets approved, maybe I'll launch this old kickstarter I've had sitting around. [url]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1362020893/1252150507?token=70e645cc[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/DIV6TO7.png[/img][/QUOTE] I'm pledging $100,000 GOTYAY [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Run&Gun12;40027196]She talks about how this is teaching her daughter a life lesson, but doesn't actually detail what that is. She then goes on to about how she's going to force her sons to "admit they were being brats", and that they will learn the lesson "the hard way". It's getting more transparent that this is just a gender-biased rant from her. What's the point here? Is she saying that her daughter isn't just getting rich off this, but she's successful because she goes to public school which somehow translates to her not being well off, despite having a millionaire mother? I really don't understand her train of thought. So a town full of preteens is more intelligent than a handful of the world's greatest scientists? The truth of an idea is never governed by the number of people supporting it.[/QUOTE] I wish people like this didn't exist fucking crazy people don't deserve that kind of money.

[QUOTE=Daniel M;40020967]The reason this pisses me off is I struggled to find funding for my game that I have worked my ass off for years on end, barely making over the absolute minimum I could ask for and finish the project, meanwhile these people with actual money are asking for 10x the amount I asked for and then they get it within a couple hours, and they get another ten times the amount ON TOP of what they asked for.[/QUOTE] Same here, what takes the piss more is there's a game on Desura that's on sale for £6 and made #4 on new releases (Not best selling, it's based on view count(but probably still sold a lot)) it looks terrible there's no interaction and buyers all say it crashed at start up, but why does it get that much attention? because it's a game here you go around a house figuring out its 'mystery' with spooky things haunting you; Like those slender games. It's bullshit. And He got funder far more than what he asked on kickstarter with no images just a few concept drawings. You know users on this forum make fun of kids coming up with ideas, you know "I'll be the ideas guy" thing, it's like that except if it sound good people pay them even though the people don't really know what they will be getting or the skill of said person. It's different when a company that already has made games like double fine do it because you know what to expect and that they can achiever it well.

[QUOTE=mlockha;40023515]I'm kinda mad because this is a millionaire wanting to raise money for her child, instead of just giving the child her money. Some people work for it and actually try, meanwhile a millionaire is making her child raise money. I don't know if this makes sense or is just stupid, but it's my opinion.[/QUOTE] If I was a millionare I wouldn't give my kids heaps of handouts, sure theyd live a nice life but Id make them work a lot of their stuff

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40029067]If I was a millionare I wouldn't give my kids heaps of handouts, sure theyd live a nice life but Id make them work a lot of their stuff[/QUOTE] Making a kickstarter and getting money just because you are a kid isn't work.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40029067]If I was a millionare I wouldn't give my kids heaps of handouts, sure theyd live a nice life but Id make them work a lot of their stuff[/QUOTE] Tell your kids that they have to work to get money, but that they will get help with paying some of their education so that they can be successful like them.