Millionaire puts up a kickstarter to raise $900 for her daughter to make an RPG with, raises $21000, - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40034176]I I don't like how you're lumping tropes v women and gaming in colour with this, this is a clear scam. Those are showing games through the perspective of women / lgbt. They have a purpose, you may not think that they serve a good purpose, and I get that it's hard to see it from your perspective but if they do you shouldn't try and shut down their view.[/QUOTE] Oh I know they're not scams, but they are playing off of a social justice platform. It's frustrating to see peoples' games get shafted even though they might have legitimate development ideas and the skills to make their games a reality because people want to take the moral high ground and support social justice issues even if the end product will be less impressive.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40032761]I don't like how they try to target the kid in the last part, really misses the point - though I must say that Dragon Age II is really bad taste.[/QUOTE] Although, any RPG she might make will probably be better than DA2.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40032761]I don't like how they try to target the kid in the last part, really misses the point - though I must say that Dragon Age II is really bad taste.[/QUOTE] Actually, its showing that she is not only a bad parent, but that its probably her writing everything and making stuff up. No Child should be playing those kinds of games and it shows that something is off. Considering this same kickstarter makes a big deal about "age appropriate" content. Don't you think it seems fishy?

[QUOTE=doommarine23;40034386]Actually, its showing that she is not only a bad parent, but that its probably her writing everything and making stuff up. No Child should be playing those kinds of games and it shows that something is off. Considering this same kickstarter makes a big deal about "age appropriate" content. Don't you think it seems fishy?[/QUOTE] Everyone will defend violent video games until is helps win their point, apparently. Do you really have a problem with a 9 year old playing those games? The point is there's no age appropriate RPGs so she plays those ones. Surely if there were more that were more relevant to her interests, she would prefer those.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;40026960]Reported the bitch. Everyone else should do the same. This needs to be a lesson learned for Kickstarter.[/QUOTE] Startled at the presence and success of a woman on the internet, The Rifleman bolted up from his office chair in disgust. Empty Monster Energy Drink cans and week-old potato chips, long thought to be permanently affixed to his garments, cascaded upwards towards the ceiling. With a clunk and an immediate reversal in direction they rained down upon the computer fans, the updraft causing the crumbs to dance and frolic as The Rifleman once did. But no longer, for he is now a guardian of the internet. A bringer of justice. A knocker-down-a-peg of women. Dancing and frolicking can wait, for there is a job to be done. "This shall not stand!" he exclaimed, as the sweat from his brow met the cheeto dust in his neckbeard and an orange liquid seeped into his Slayer shirt. Fumbling to find his keyboard and mouse buried under the works of Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, and shoving aside a copy of The God Delusion, he found it: the fabled mouse. As he kept the cursor permanently located above the report link on Kickstarter, the most useful resource for the internet warrior, all that would be required to bring down the hammer of justice would be a single mouse click. However, there was an obstacle in his way. The left mouse button would not click, for a strange goo was completely caked around it! "This must be the work of Tumblr feminists and the Southern Poverty Law Center," he thought to himself, as he slouched back into his office chair, resigned to his fate on an internet no longer free. No longer safe. No longer exclusive. Even as you read this now, women on the internet do things you do not like with impunity. Those who call them bitches and cunts, banned. Those who report their activities, ignored. The internet has died. And somewhere, a lone Carl Sagan sheds a tear. The dream is over.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40034511]Everyone will defend violent video games until is helps win their point, apparently. Do you really have a problem with a 9 year old playing those games? The point is there's no age appropriate RPGs so she plays those ones. Surely if there were more that were more relevant to her interests, she would prefer those.[/QUOTE] You really believe that school shootings are because of violent video games?

[QUOTE=gokiyono;40034682]You really believe that school shootings are because of violent video games?[/QUOTE] You just won a gold star in mental gymnastics. I have no idea how you inferred that from what I said.

I thought she wanted to make a Rocket Propelled Grenade, and was disappointed when i read the article.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40034656]Ayn Rand [...] Carl Sagan[/QUOTE] stop doing this bullshit you horrible person

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40034656]Startled at the presence and success of a woman on the internet, The Rifleman bolted up from his office chair in disgust. Empty Monster Energy Drink cans and week-old potato chips, long thought to be permanently affixed to his garments, cascaded upwards towards the ceiling. With a clunk and an immediate reversal in direction they rained down upon the computer fans, the updraft causing the crumbs to dance and frolic as The Rifleman once did. But no longer, for he is now a guardian of the internet. A bringer of justice. A knocker-down-a-peg of women. Dancing and frolicking can wait, for there is a job to be done. "This shall not stand!" he exclaimed, as the sweat from his brow met the cheeto dust in his neckbeard and an orange liquid seeped into his Slayer shirt. Fumbling to find his keyboard and mouse buried under the works of Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, and shoving aside a copy of The God Delusion, he found it: the fabled mouse. As he kept the cursor permanently located above the report link on Kickstarter, the most useful resource for the internet warrior, all that would be required to bring down the hammer of justice would be a single mouse click. However, there was an obstacle in his way. The left mouse button would not click, for a strange goo was completely caked around it! "This must be the work of Tumblr feminists and the Southern Poverty Law Center," he thought to himself, as he slouched back into his office chair, resigned to his fate on an internet no longer free. No longer safe. No longer exclusive. Even as you read this now, women on the internet do things you do not like with impunity. Those who call them bitches and cunts, banned. Those who report their activities, ignored. The internet has died. And somewhere, a lone Carl Sagan sheds a tear. The dream is over.[/QUOTE] Does it really fucking matter if the violators of TOS are women or not? The reaction to this case would've been the same either way.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40034511]The point is there's no age appropriate RPGs so she plays those ones.[/QUOTE] Are you really saying that RPGs have always been a mature genre? 'Cause I'm pretty sure that the Nintendo Seal of Quality ensured that for a very, very long time RPGs (the kind of RPGs that spawned RPG maker, even) had to be pretty PG. Hell, one of the most successful and long-lived RPGs out there is [I]Pokemon[/I].

I don't even know what you guys are arguing about anymore. It just sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;40034750]Are you really saying that RPGs have always been a mature genre? 'Cause I'm pretty sure that the Nintendo Seal of Quality ensured that for a very, very long time RPGs (the kind of RPGs that spawned RPG maker, even) had to be pretty PG. Hell, one of the most successful and long-lived RPGs out there is [I]Pokemon[/I].[/QUOTE] I mean there's not that many new ones. Pokemon was the only one that came to mind as well. I just don't get why people care that a 9 year old is playing those games suddenly, when they believe (as do I) that it has no impact on your development. I think it's great that she's allowed to play them.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;40034386]Actually, its showing that she is not only a bad parent, but that its probably her writing everything and making stuff up. No Child should be playing those kinds of games and it shows that something is off. Considering this same kickstarter makes a big deal about "age appropriate" content. Don't you think it seems fishy?[/QUOTE] Well... I'm just gonna say my first PC game ever was Thief and my first legit shooter was Doom. This is when I was like five. It definitely had a base level affect on me because now I'm obsessed with first person everything, but the actual content never really left much of a mark. Not defending the kickstarter, just saying.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40034814]I mean there's not that many new ones. Pokemon was the only one that came to mind as well. I just don't get why people care that a 9 year old is playing those games suddenly, when they believe (as do I) that it has no impact on your development. I think it's great that she's allowed to play them.[/QUOTE] You missed my point entirely than when you quoted me and are going on about this. My comment about it not really being the best for a child, was passing. If you noticed, my main focus was that the mother probably wrote this and it shows that her story is all over the place. In other words, it shows that the mother is possibly just using the child as a image or figure-head for her own gains. Though I do not believe she is that intentionally malevolent. It is simply a possibly I am pointing out.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;40034052]You're right, I shouldn't have called Shadaez out. Sorry for that. I still stand by everything else that I said, though. And as for other projects that play off social justice issues, off the top of my head there's something like Tropes vs Men and Videogames, and some "Gaming in Colour" LGBT gaming documentary about how different it is to play games if you're LGBT. Both of which are almost universally considered lousy. Don't think I'm just against the feminist ones.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with the "social justice" platform specifically? It's hardly any different from games that target a specific group of gamers. It may be useless and non-contributive but the same can be said for all entertainment mediums.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40032761]I don't like how they try to target the kid in the last part, really misses the point - though I must say that Dragon Age II is really bad taste.[/QUOTE] it's targeting the parents for letting her play M rated games.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40035187]it's targeting the parents for letting her play M rated games.[/QUOTE] Okay, I think that's a bit of a weak point. I can see it, but does it really matter?

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;40035125]What's wrong with the "social justice" platform specifically? It's hardly any different from games that target a specific group of gamers. It may be useless and non-contributive but the same can be said for all entertainment mediums.[/QUOTE] I think, and I'm not saying this is 100% what he was trying to get across, that he feels people are "abusing" the idea of social justice, by trying to guilt trip white, heterosexual males into donating money for whatever the fuck they are doing by slapping terms like "for feminism!" and such into their platform, even if it means exactly jack shit to the feminist ideology. I mean, really, think about it. What does a multi-millionaire mother, calling out her two sons for being dicks to her daughter on the Internet do for feminists? What does sending her 9 year old daughter to a "game making" camp do for feminism? If the kickstarter was to actually get her daughter into developing games for a good reason, not a "lol my sons are shitwads" reason, perhaps it would be justifiable to say "FOR FEMINISTS!", and maybe if the Kickstart wasn't voiding various ToS points, yet still existing, people would have less of a problem with it. A 9-year old girl making a game in RPG maker, to prove a point to small boys that she can make a game (hint: they would say "u cant mac gaem" to anybody, especially a sibling because fuck siblings) has very little to do with improving the stance of women in the world. It's just exploiting a child for publicity and money.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;40035125]What's wrong with the "social justice" platform specifically? It's hardly any different from games that target a specific group of gamers. It may be useless and non-contributive but the same can be said for all entertainment mediums.[/QUOTE] Just read zeke's post.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40035279]Okay, I think that's a bit of a weak point. I can see it, but does it really matter?[/QUOTE] sort of: [quote]Right now, I know for sure that my game will be more age appropriate than the games I'm stuck playing. [B]Sadly there just aren't many cool RPGs out there for kids my age that aren't stupid or silly. [/B] As I said in the video,[B] I want to create an RPG that isn't too violent and isn't filled with bad words[/B], still has a good story line & cool graphics, but has shorter cut scenes, less menus & fewer controls. And most importantly, I want a game that allows team members to face danger together and get hurt but doesn't kill team mates off & eliminate them from battle.[/quote] it's hypocritical

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40034697]You just won a gold star in mental gymnastics. I have no idea how you inferred that from what I said.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Everyone will defend violent video games until is helps win their point[/QUOTE] Maybe I misunderstood then

[QUOTE=hexpunK;40035305]I think, and I'm not saying this is 100% what he was trying to get across, that he feels people are "abusing" the idea of social justice, by trying to guilt trip white, heterosexual males into donating money for whatever the fuck they are doing by slapping terms like "for feminism!" and such into their platform, even if it means exactly jack shit to the feminist ideology. I mean, really, think about it. What does a multi-millionaire mother, calling out her two sons for being dicks to her daughter on the Internet do for feminists? What does sending her 9 year old daughter to a "game making" camp do for feminism? If the kickstarter was to actually get her daughter into developing games for a good reason, not a "lol my sons are shitwads" reason, perhaps it would be justifiable to say "FOR FEMINISTS!", and maybe if the Kickstart wasn't voiding various ToS points, yet still existing, people would have less of a problem with it. A 9-year old girl making a game in RPG maker, to prove a point to small boys that she can make a game (hint: they would say "u cant mac gaem" to anybody, especially a sibling because fuck siblings) has very little to do with improving the stance of women in the world. It's just exploiting a child for publicity and money.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I meant, thank you. So frustrating to see all of these people thinking that some Kickstarters are more worthy than others because one is a group working their asses off to make a game and the other is a nine-year-old girl whose mom wants to send her to camp and people take the latter option because they see the (figurative) FEMINISM sticker stamped on it.

What I don't understand is this guy John from Kickstarter's supposed full support of the project, as advertised by the kid's mother in the latest update. The "fund your life" guideline is never mentioned. Oh wait.. that's because [i]there is no John on the Kickstarter team.[/i] [quote]We're a team of 52 in NYC with offices in the Lower East Side. Half of us work on the product (designing and coding), and the other half work with the community. We love what we do, and who we do it with. What's it like to work at Kickstarter? Come find out! Hello from: Perry Chen, Yancey Strickler, Charles Adler, Lance Ivy, Cassie Marketos, Fred Benenson, Andrew Cornett, Brett Camper, Cindy Au, Daniella Jaeger, Cedric Howe, Samuel Cole, Kendel Ratley, Mike McGregor, Justin Kazmark, Meaghan O’Connell, Tieg Zaharia, Elisabeth Holm, Jed Meade, Jared Cohen, Cooper Troxell, Nicole He, Aaron Suggs, Zack Sears, Stephanie Pereira, Aurora Thornhill, Callan Lamb, Jessica Harllee, Alex Cox, Chris Muccioli, Andrew Boyajian, Dan Drabik, Brandon Williams, Tomasz Werner, Katherine Pan, Bridget Best, Erik Kastner, Emily Reese, Shannon Ferguson, Niina Pollari, Bethany Sumner, Ian Scott, Luke Crane, Michal Rosenn, Aaron Robbs, Eli Dvorkin, Christopher Wright, Leland Rechis, Michael Stewart, Ellen Chisa, Jake Loeterman, Shayne Barr.[/quote] I can't believe so many backers are falling for this. At the time of this post her kickstarter has gone under 21k but it keeps fluctuating. Hope it gets taken down soon.

If I wanted something when I was 9 it was up to me to hustle some money from whatever odd jobs the neighbors were willing to trust to a 9 year old. 10 times out of 10 it was yard work. I guess instead of doing something that resembles work my kids can just look me straight in the eye and say, "Fuck all that work Dad, we're getting a kickstarter!"

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40034656]Startled at the presence and success of a woman on the internet, The Rifleman bolted up from his office chair in disgust. Empty Monster Energy Drink cans and week-old potato chips, long thought to be permanently affixed to his garments, cascaded upwards towards the ceiling. With a clunk and an immediate reversal in direction they rained down upon the computer fans, the updraft causing the crumbs to dance and frolic as The Rifleman once did. But no longer, for he is now a guardian of the internet. A bringer of justice. A knocker-down-a-peg of women. Dancing and frolicking can wait, for there is a job to be done. "This shall not stand!" he exclaimed, as the sweat from his brow met the cheeto dust in his neckbeard and an orange liquid seeped into his Slayer shirt. Fumbling to find his keyboard and mouse buried under the works of Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, and shoving aside a copy of The God Delusion, he found it: the fabled mouse. As he kept the cursor permanently located above the report link on Kickstarter, the most useful resource for the internet warrior, all that would be required to bring down the hammer of justice would be a single mouse click. However, there was an obstacle in his way. The left mouse button would not click, for a strange goo was completely caked around it! "This must be the work of Tumblr feminists and the Southern Poverty Law Center," he thought to himself, as he slouched back into his office chair, resigned to his fate on an internet no longer free. No longer safe. No longer exclusive. Even as you read this now, women on the internet do things you do not like with impunity. Those who call them bitches and cunts, banned. Those who report their activities, ignored. The internet has died. And somewhere, a lone Carl Sagan sheds a tear. The dream is over.[/QUOTE] Zeke, normally you're great, but this is missing the point. I find it horribly stupid that even if there's a legitimate reason to call out a woman for her mistakes, that we can't because apparently it's sexist and misogynistic to point those out. This has nothing to do with women as a whole. It has everything to do with this one woman, and her riding on popular opinion and her daughters adorable goal to make a game to do this. I see literally nothing noble about her, or how she's handled this, and I don't think it's smart of anyone to ignore these issues on gender. No man should get away with this. No woman should get away with this. No one should.

The money would be better spent on giving the mother some parental consulting to learn that her children are more than just money magnets.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;40033739]I was referring to people creating huge images detailing every mistake the kickstarter has, I just think it's silly. All I did was post a few times, and I never really defended it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shadaez;40025865]There's nothing wrong with the project if it weren't being spammed, really. This clearly violates the TOS but there's nothing wrong with a mom not wanting to just hand her child money for something and instead helping her get the money another way. And it's totally OK for projects [I]to[/I] fund your life but not [I]for[/I] funding your life. Those are two completely different things. Still, you're all getting too worked up over it, especially that Daniel dude.[/QUOTE] Yeah lol ok.

[QUOTE=Vasili;40030724]this image has been going viral [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1364163356749.png[/img][/QUOTE] i love how it highlights the videogame stuff at the end if anyone on this website legitimately has a problem with that they're prooobably massive hypocrites

If a 20 year old got the funding people here would demand blood. Apparently it's totally ok to abuse the rules though if you're a cute little girl. Her cuteness overrides the rules of the site I guess.