Millionaire puts up a kickstarter to raise $900 for her daughter to make an RPG with, raises $21000,
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40037246]Zeke, normally you're great, but this is missing the point. I find it horribly stupid that even if there's a legitimate reason to call out a woman for her mistakes, that we can't because apparently it's sexist and misogynistic to point those out.
This has nothing to do with women as a whole. It has everything to do with this one woman, and her riding on popular opinion and her daughters adorable goal to make a game to do this. I see literally nothing noble about her, or how she's handled this, and I don't think it's smart of anyone to ignore these issues on gender. No man should get away with this. No woman should get away with this. No one should.[/QUOTE]
It's because he felt the need to call her a gendered slur because she is a woman, not because she's a woman.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40037927]It's because he felt the need to call her a gendered slur because she is a woman, not because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9siOLyOs_LU/TfMPemFjCoI/AAAAAAAAPh4/lmfT9hA8xM0/s1600/woman-bitch-asshole+bill.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40037927]It's because he felt the need to call her a gendered slur because she is a woman, not because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
oh he should have used a gender neutral word to describe her behaviour as a shitty person, his bad
see
this is the nitpicky bullshit that gets in the way of real issues
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40031174]No, I mean why do people make these huge images with everything they've ever done wrong, I just don't get that.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever used image editing software? Making informative images is super quick and easy assuming you already have some research. You could make a basic informative image in around fifteen minutes with ease.
If I wanted to I could probably whip out an image in 30 minutes just to list reasons why to make an image. It really doesn't take much effort.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;40038263]Have you ever used image editing software? Making informative images is super quick and easy assuming you already have some research. You could make a basic informative image in around fifteen minutes with ease.
If I wanted to I could probably whip out an image in 30 minutes just to list reasons why to make an image. It really doesn't take much effort.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention it is a easy and convenient way of spreading your message.
Instead of [I]"WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS" repeat ad nauseam[/I]
It's really something you'd learn in media 101 classes.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40025983]You could make similar arguments to every single kickstarter so that's just a straw argument. The mother's clearly using this to make a profit, but if it were well intended you shouldn't have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]
muh straw arguments ;)
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;40037661]i love how it highlights the videogame stuff at the end
if anyone on this website legitimately has a problem with that they're prooobably massive hypocrites[/QUOTE]
That part bothered me, but I think they're trying to throw everything they can consider a negative about her in there. Lots of people (lots of redditors at least) think that a kid playing an M game is terrible parenting.
[editline]25th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40038144]oh he should have used a gender neutral word to describe her behaviour as a shitty person, his bad
see
this is the nitpicky bullshit that gets in the way of real issues[/QUOTE]
I know it's been brought up a million times on the internet, but I wonder if they would complain if she were called a dickhead. Edit: or is that a terrible comparison. I'm starting to thinking it is the more I think about it. Still I don't see the issue with the c or b word when applied to anybody.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40039001][img]http://p.twimg.com/AyGXwwRCIAAEvBX.png:large[/img][/QUOTE]
as with your quote, it's still true irrelevant of whether or not she was the one who originally said it
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;40039057]That part bothered me, but I think they're trying to throw everything they can consider a negative about her in there. Lots of people (lots of redditors at least) think that a kid playing an M game is terrible parenting.[/QUOTE]
i don't think that games with violence lead to violence necessarily, but i can see how games like cod with very bad communities can influence stuff like use of language and behaviour, kind of like how any group of peers can.
this is very off-topic but the parents are somewhat responsible for what their kids do in their spare time since they're the ones buying them the games so they should be aware of these things to some degree. the rating system isn't exactly perfect and definitely shouldn't be the only thing parents consider when buying games for their kids
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40037927]It's because he felt the need to call her a gendered slur because she is a woman, not because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
Zeke's entire post was an ad hominem about how the guy who disapproved of this particular Kickstarter was an obese couch potato misogynist neckbeard. But that's apparently A-okay since the guy Zeke's making fun of had the gall... the nerve... to actually call a woman a bitch or something.
Seriously, who gives a shit what word he uses. It's the same thing, he's insulting her for being awful.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40039474]Zeke's entire post was an ad hominem about how the guy who disapproved of this particular Kickstarter was an obese couch potato misogynist neckbeard. But that's apparently A-okay since the guy Zeke's making fun of had the gall... the nerve... to actually call a woman a bitch or something.[/quote]
It's a joke.[QUOTE=NoShogun;40039474]
Seriously, who gives a shit what word he uses. It's the same thing, he's insulting her for being awful.[/QUOTE]
I care, and women care.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039546]It's a joke.
I care, and women care.[/QUOTE]
so it's okay to completely rip into a guy, going potentially overboard with how you make fun of them and how you tear them down because it's a "joke"(something you're defending, and have attacked people here for when the shoes on the other foot)
but don't you dare use the b word and oppress all women everywhere with a singular word because no one ever uses dick, prick, or cock to deride men
look, this is ridiculous. It's a word. It's a word that's actually justified in some cases and some uses. it's a word that has applications to describe shitty people.
He described a shitty person with it.
[editline]25th March 2013[/editline]
it's like hypocrisy is just tied into this issue
So now it's okay to make fun of someone as long as it's played off as a joke?
Offensive is offensive, mean is mean. You can try to make one thing worse than the other but in the end it's someone insulting someone else. Nitpicking legitimate arguments because someone uses the word "bitch" to describe a woman whose actions are legitimately awful is plain stupid.
just call women bastards and men bitches, problem solved.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40039591]so it's okay to completely rip into a guy, going potentially overboard with how you make fun of them and how you tear them down because it's a "joke"(something you're defending, and have attacked people here for when the shoes on the other foot)
but don't you dare use the b word and oppress all women everywhere with a singular word because no one ever uses dick, prick, or cock to deride men
look, this is ridiculous. It's a word. It's a word that's actually justified in some cases and some uses. it's a word that has applications to describe shitty people.
He described a shitty person with it.
[editline]25th March 2013[/editline]
it's like hypocrisy is just tied into this issue[/QUOTE]
But men aren't oppressed so calling a man a dick isn't bad mkay :)
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=tr00per7;40039678]just call women bastards and men bitches, problem solved.[/QUOTE]
No but you see, then you're using a female oriented word for a man, which is degrading of women because then you're saying a man acting like a woman is a bad thing. you see.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;40039684]But men aren't oppressed so calling a man a dick isn't bad mkay :)[/QUOTE]
i know you're being sarcastic
but i don't think it matters at any level when talking about this who's on top of who
if someone is going to say for real that using a word that describes one gender more than another in a negative light is bad, but will defend the attacking of the opposite gender
i just think this level of hypocrisy is bad
Is there no way to insult a woman that isn't somehow offensive on a gender-based level?
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40039726]Is there no way to insult a woman that isn't somehow offensive on a gender-based level?[/QUOTE]
Not that I can think of.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;40039684]But men aren't oppressed so calling a man a dick isn't bad mkay :)
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
No but you see, then you're using a female oriented word for a man, which is degrading of women because then you're saying a man acting like a woman is a bad thing. you see.[/QUOTE]
this is correct actually, though dick is bad it's much less harmful because men aren't oppressed
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039749]this is correct actually, though dick is bad it's much less harmless because men aren't oppressed[/QUOTE]
so hypocrisy is allowed on one side of the fence?
dude, you're a great person, why can't you just see how ridiculous this hypocrisy is and how much of a problem it actually is when having discussions
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039749]this is correct actually, though dick is bad it's much less harmless because men aren't oppressed[/QUOTE]
You do realize I'm taking the piss right. Right.
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40039759]so hypocrisy is allowed on one side of the fence?
dude, you're a great person, why can't you just see how ridiculous this hypocrisy is and how much of a problem it actually is when having discussions[/QUOTE]
The reasoning is that the hypocrisy is justified because men oppress women, calling a woman a bitch furthers the oppression and calling a man a dick doesn't.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039546]It's a joke.
I care, and women care.[/QUOTE]
idk if most women would make a huge deal out of a greedy, pandering asshole being called a bitch. I assume most would feel like hypocrites since a ruckus is never raised when say Bill O'Reilly is called a dickhead. I could be way wrong though.
edit: missed perspectives. opinion moved a bit until I read up. the oppressed thing is a good point, although I'm not sure if I would want to give up calling people bitches and dicks. It's pretty silly to ignore what this woman has pulled and to make her some victim just because someone threw in the word bitch. Zeke made a bad joke if it was simply a joke.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40039625]So now it's okay to make fun of someone as long as it's played off as a joke?[/QUOTE]
please tell this to the idiots who legitimately post Louis CK videos to defend their argument
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40039625]
Offensive is offensive, mean is mean. You can try to make one thing worse than the other but in the end it's someone insulting someone else. Nitpicking legitimate arguments because someone uses the word "bitch" to describe a woman whose actions are legitimately awful is plain stupid.[/QUOTE]
you're attacking zeke and defending another for the same thing, do you see that?
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;40039770]You do realize I'm taking the piss right. Right.
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
The reasoning is that the hypocrisy is justified because men oppress women, calling a woman a bitch furthers the oppression and calling a man a dick doesn't.[/QUOTE]
yes
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;40039795]idk if most women would make a huge deal out of a greedy, pandering asshole being called a bitch. I assume most would feel like hypocrites since a ruckus is never raised when say Bill O'Reilly is called a dickhead. I could be way wrong though.[/QUOTE]
False equivalence
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039749]this is correct actually, though dick is bad it's much less harmless because men aren't oppressed[/QUOTE]
I agree, women are oppressed. The word "bitch" being used to describe a woman who acts terribly and immorally is not furthering that oppression in any way whatsoever.
There's no way to please people like you when saying anything negative about a woman because somehow it'll always come back to how i'm a privileged white cis hetero male or something and that everything I say is misogynist.
Why should we as a society give a shit if we're calling men dicks or women bitches? They're [i]insults[/i], they're not meant to be nice. They're meant to be negative.
At least where I'm from, women call each other bitches all the time. Way more than men use the word. I honestly can say that there is no woman I know who is offended at being called a bitch because of her gender.
[editline]25th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039832]
you're attacking zeke and defending another for the same thing, do you see that?
[/QUOTE]
No, no I'm not.
The guy Zeke made fun of called a woman a bitch for abusing the Kickstarter system and expoiting her 9-year-old to make money and for publicly humiliating her teenage sons for telling their little sister that she won't make an RPG (even though they're actually right, what nine-year-old is actually capable of making an RPG???).
Zeke, on the other hand, wrote three paragraphs about how a poster on the internet about whom he knows nothing a fat, sweaty, dirty, misogynistic neckbeard.
Do you see the difference?
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039832]please tell this to the idiots who legitimately post Louis CK videos to defend their argument
you're attacking zeke and defending another for the same thing, do you see that?
yes
False equivalence[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40039759]so hypocrisy is allowed on one side of the fence?[/QUOTE]
idk why you're dead set to ignore my arguments here
i also don't get why it's okay to have one side able to deride the other just because of one side is oppressing the other(less and less as we go on) so this justifies shitting on them? No, I don't think it does. I think defending that behaviour will breed more problems with trying to get to a middle ground where both sexes feel comfortable. I don't think you're in the right to defend women from attacks but have no problem that men can get shit on.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40039841]Do you see the difference?[/QUOTE]
Zeke is being mean to someone who used misogynistic language.
Rifleman is being mean to a women who is trying to scam people.
They are both mean things said to people being mean, you can't say one's OK and the other isn't. Zeke never once used any hateful language, he only made rifle out to be the embodiment of a shitty nerd (which is hilarious). Rifle is attacking her for being a shitty [i]woman[/i] unjokingly. Zeke calling a dude a neckbeard hurts no one (except the neckbeard).
I totally have had a neckbeard so I'm allowed to call ppl neckbeards btw~~~
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039971]Zeke is being mean to someone who used misogynistic language.
Rifleman is being mean to a women who is trying to scam people.
They are both mean things said to people being mean, you can't say one's OK and the other isn't. Zeke never once used any hateful language, he only made rifle out to be the embodiment of a shitty nerd ([B]which is hilarious[/B]). Rifle is attacking her for being a shitty [i]woman[/i] unjokingly. Zeke calling a dude a neckbeard hurts no one (except the neckbeard).
I totally have had a neckbeard so I'm allowed to call ppl neckbeards btw~~~[/QUOTE]
you're doing some really impressive mental gymnastics here
@Shadaez
I guess the thing here is that I can't accept calling this one woman a bitch is misogynistic. When every girl I know freely uses the word to describe other females as well, I just can't see how use of that word is oppressing women.
No matter which way you're cutting it up, you're saying Zeke can make fun that guy because he's a man and Rifleman (I think that's the other poster's name) can't say anything about this lady because she's a woman.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;40039971]Rifle is attacking her for being a shitty [i]woman[/i] unjokingly.[/QUOTE]
Would it be better if I called her a shitty person instead?
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