Some crazy ass hoe raped Shia LaBeouf during his art exibit
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[QUOTE=Cone;46594924]what do his actions beforehand have anything to do with this? how easily he could have prevented it doesn't matter in the slightest cos you can't get around the fact that someone still went into that room and raped him. even if he had just punched her in the face and escaped or called for help that wouldn't have changed what's important - he was in an exploitable situation and a crazy person thought it was alright if they came along and took advantage of it for sex and power.
what he COULD have done remains completely irrelevant. acting like it's all on him isn't going to change that[/QUOTE]
...what the hell are you talking about? Nobody is saying it's all his fault or this was okay. Quoting the few crazies acting like this wasn't a crime to make everyone talking about it look bad isn't helping anything.
It's things like this that just bother me. Nobody is trying to say "lol what a moron that's not rape", we're asking how this situation ended up escalating to that. Nobody is trying to make this situation less serious.
If we live in a society where nobody is allowed to talk about a situation or question why something happened like it did without being a horrible rape apologist oh god what is wrong with you horrible people, then I'm not sure I want to exist anymore.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46594939]Umm, if they give you permission its not rape?
Murder is always murder, unless it's self defense. If somebody tries to kill you first it's basically a permission to kill them?[/QUOTE]
Uh, where was the permission?
no one here has the guts to directly justify rape but you're all perfectly willing to diverge from it to call shia labeouf a tool (which obviously doesn't act to downplay it in any way at all)
The sheer amount of strawmen and ad hominems in this thread, damn.
Because someone is willing to discuss the context of a rape situation doesn't mean they're a rape apologist. Fucking grow up.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;46593885]But rape is illegal because it's non-consensual. She went in with the do-whatever-you-want clause and it [I]appears[/I] Shia didn't say anything or make a move suggesting it was not okay. There was no reason other than some art bullshit (not worth getting raped over) to sit there and not say "no." I'm not discounting that he was raped, but if you tell someone they can do whatever they want, you also have to tell them if they cross a line.
If he did do such a thing, that's a different story.[/QUOTE]
If it's any enlightenment LA is in california which requires affirmative consent afaik.
Some people are missing the point here.
Regardless of the pretext, consent was not given. It was rape. I won't say I'm not baffled as to why he didn't break the act, but the law doesn't magically go away because some guy in an art exhibit says you can do whatever you want.
Like seriously guys its not suddenly consensual if he didnt say anything. That's not even what the law says
Wait, (some of) you guys are actually blaming the victim here? The guy who actually GOT RAPED?
Jesus Christ...
[QUOTE=ayylmer2;46593827]reminds me of this video, except replace vehicular manslaughter with "rape":
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlUgilKqms[/media][/QUOTE]
you're 0 for 3
quit while you're ahead
[QUOTE=Cannsixd;46594985]Wait, you guys are actually blaming the victim here? The guy who actually GOT RAPED?
Jesus Christ...[/QUOTE]
The guy who got raped and yet did nothing to actually try to stop the rape, not even telling her to stop once.
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;46595005]The guy who got raped and yet did nothing to actually try to stop the rape, not even telling her to stop once.[/QUOTE]
There's lots of reasons why that could have happened, for example blackmail.
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;46595005]The guy who got raped and yet did nothing to actually try to stop the rape, not even telling her to stop once.[/QUOTE]
The guy who isn't exactly 'with it' most of the time, and could've gone into a state of shock when it happened, yeah.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46595010]There's lots of reasons why that could have happened, for example blackmail.[/QUOTE]
Okay, fair enough. What blackmail? Where did he say anything about blackmail? What could a person say to him who isn't holding any weapons to prevent him from calling out and having the people outside rush inside in less than a second?
Again, that other guy isn't right, it's still a rape, but I'm really confused as to why he did absolutely nothing.
For clarity:
What this was: rape
What this was not: rape under coercion or force
Some people in this thread seem to assume it isn't rape because he could have done something to stop it. Not true; its still rape.
While I think it was a ridiculous idea to say people can do whatever they like without having security, it doesn't mean he deserves what happened.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46594939]Umm, if they give you permission its not rape?
Murder is always murder, unless it's self defense. If somebody tries to kill you first it's basically a permission to kill them?
I'm not talking about the story, I'm referring to his post. "How is it legal to rape someone with permission." The very definition of rape involves some sort of sexual activity WITHOUT permission.[/QUOTE]
You misunderstood.
If you gave me the permission to kill you, I sure as fuck wouldn't do it. I would also consider it a crime to do it.
What if someone shot this LaBeouf person in the head? Maybe the person would be guilty of firing a gun in public, but other than that? "Pffft, the dude was asking for it."
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
It may also be ME who's misunderstanding things because I have no idea how any of this is even possible.
[QUOTE=Cone;46594953]no one here has the guts to directly justify rape but you're all perfectly willing to diverge from it to call shia labeouf a tool (which obviously doesn't act to downplay it in any way at all)[/QUOTE]
Dumb me please but if you had asked people what they think of him a few days ago, most people would have said something along the lines of a tool. I don't understand why I should suddenly like him because he became a victim of rape.
This does not mean I'm glad he got raped or trying to downplay it. Neither do I like people implying that I am, thank you very much.
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46595040]You misunderstood.
If you gave me the permission to kill you, I sure as fuck wouldn't do it. I would also consider it a crime to do it.
What if someone shot this LaBeouf person in the head? Maybe the person would be guilty of firing a gun in public, but other than that? "Pffft, the dude was asking for it."
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
It may also be ME who's misunderstanding things because I have no idea how any of this is even possible.[/QUOTE]
But it's also illegal to kill someone even if they gave you permission. So both things that you were making a point about aren't really things.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46594908]I really like the way you don't specify which people.
Anyway, any time there is a thread in facepunch with "rape" in the title it always ends the same, SJW's battle with rape apologists and anyone who tries to take a neutral view at it is also rape apologist.[/QUOTE]
I didn't think I had to make it clear that I was questioning what the fuck was wrong with people suggesting he wasn't raped at all because he didn't cry for help but I guess I can never overestimate how fucked up most of this websites userbase is
Has anyone actually suggested that ? I must have missed it, because all I see is people asking why he didn't react at all which is a legitimate question in a situation like this.
*wah wah straw man ad hominem wah wah he wasn't raped I'm a big piece of shit*
you people disgust me
[QUOTE=ayylmer2;46593697]so did she drug him as well or something because how did he get a boner in order to get raped[/QUOTE]
what if it was other way around? [sp]strap-on[/sp]
SH double standards in full effect
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46595040]You misunderstood.
If you gave me the permission to kill you, I sure as fuck wouldn't do it. I would also consider it a crime to do it.
What if someone shot this LaBeouf person in the head? Maybe the person would be guilty of firing a gun in public, but other than that? "Pffft, the dude was asking for it."
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
It may also be ME who's misunderstanding things because I have no idea how any of this is even possible.[/QUOTE]
That's a shit comparison because if he said they could fuck him then he gave consent
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;46595105]I didn't think I had to make it clear that I was questioning what the fuck was wrong with people suggesting he wasn't raped at all because he didn't cry for help but I guess I can never underestimate how fucked up most of this websites userbase is[/QUOTE]
No, I was thinking you were talking about people seeing things where there are none. There are questionable posts sure but I don't see anyone saying he wasn't raped.
Edit:
There are plenty of posts in this thread.
Some generally confused people.
Plenty of questions about his motivation to do nothing.
A few people not willing to find art an acceptable reason for doing nothing.
A lot of insults and generally a lot of negative opinions directed at Shia LeBeouf as with every thread about him.
A couple of obvious troll posts.
Several people calling paralysis.
Almost every post acknowledging rape.
Plenty of personal insults to anyone with any questions or curiosity about the story, and motivations of those involved though. And then there's you, seeing what you want to see. These are words made of 26 letters on a forum, read them like they are written. Don't try to attach your own agendas or assumptions to other people's words to justify some need to show how much morally superior you are than everyone else.
But guess what, no one said he didn't get raped, no one saying he deserved rape and certainly no one saying they are glad he got raped.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46595036]For clarity:
What this was: rape
What this was not: rape under coercion or force
Some people in this thread seem to assume it isn't rape because he could have done something to stop it. Not true; its still rape.
While I think it was a ridiculous idea to say people can do whatever they like without having security, it doesn't mean he deserves what happened.[/QUOTE]
It is rape. Rape that he could have stopped and even prevented. He was involved in a sexual intercourse without consent, so it is rape by all definitions, on the other hand if he didn't want that to happen he would have stopped it, because he had means to do so.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46595040]You misunderstood.
If you gave me the permission to kill you, I sure as fuck wouldn't do it. I would also consider it a crime to do it.
What if someone shot this LaBeouf person in the head? Maybe the person would be guilty of firing a gun in public, but other than that? "Pffft, the dude was asking for it."
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
It may also be ME who's misunderstanding things because I have no idea how any of this is even possible.[/QUOTE]
If someone came, pointed a gun at him and told him that he's going to shoot him in 10 minutes if he's not going to break the act and then Shia would keep the act for those 10 minutes and get shot THEN your analogy would work.
And yea it would be murder. It could have also been stopped by Shia at any point if he wanted to.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;46595225]It is rape. Rape that he could have stopped and even prevented. He was involved in a sexual intercourse without consent, so it is rape by all definitions, on the other hand if he didn't want that to happen he would have stopped it, because he had means to do so. [/QUOTE]
Its all very well and good sitting there as an armchair expert - but if you ever end up in a similar situation - everything you previously said is the obvious thing to do might not seem so good or so clear. There's no way to tell how you're going to react in a situation like that, even if you can come up with a logical solution right now.
Sure in previous threads this guy has seemed a tool - but victim blaming here helps no one.
I just hope that, after coming forward about this, he can get help. Rape fucks you up, and it's not like he didn't have enough going on in his mind before any of this happened.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46595283]Its all very well and good sitting there as an armchair expert - but if you ever end up in a similar situation - everything you previously said is the obvious thing to do might not seem so good or so clear. There's no way to tell how you're going to react in a situation like that, even if you can come up with a logical solution right now.
Sure in previous threads this guy has seemed a tool - but victim blaming here helps no one.[/QUOTE]
I will ask you this again: are you saying that he was so shocked and afraid that he got paralysis and was unable to move or speak (coincidentally that's how he was supposed to behave in his act) during the entire rape and then after when his girlfriend came to see him?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;46595410]I will ask you this again: are you saying that he was so shocked and afraid that he got paralysis and was unable to move or speak (coincidentally that's how he was supposed to behave in his act) during the entire rape and then after when his girlfriend came to see him?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying trying to understand why he did nothing will not benefit anyone. There's no point in doing it.
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;46595105]I didn't think I had to make it clear that I was questioning what the fuck was wrong with people suggesting he wasn't raped at all because he didn't cry for help but I guess I can never overestimate how fucked up most of this websites userbase is[/QUOTE]
We're not suggesting that, we're wondering why he didn't do anything to resist beign whipped for 10 minutes straight and then raped.
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;46595477]We're not suggesting that, we're wondering why he didn't do anything to resist beign whipped for 10 minutes straight and then raped.[/QUOTE]
Why try to understand it? You're looking at it from a logical perspective. When you're being raped, how much logical thought do you think you'll be having?
Trying to understand what people do or don't do while being raped is pointless and will never lead to anything positive.
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