Some crazy ass hoe raped Shia LaBeouf during his art exibit
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[QUOTE=Flapadar;46595422]I'm saying trying to understand why he did nothing will not benefit anyone. There's no point in doing it.[/QUOTE]
Nothing anyone can post here will benefit anyone.
What's your point?
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46595494]Why try to understand it? You're looking at it from a logical perspective. When you're being raped, how much logical thought do you think you'll be having?
Trying to understand what people do or don't do while being raped is pointless and will never lead to anything positive.[/QUOTE]
Because being presented with a dangerous situation should, under any circumstance prompt the body into a fight or flight response.
Why is wondering what the fuck happened taboo when it's about rape ?
[quote]When she came in she asked for an explanation, and I couldn’t speak, so we both sat with this unexplained trauma silently. It was painful.[/quote]
Anything in the name of "performance art" even if it means destroying your own life.
I thought he was really good in Fury so I got off the Shia LaBeouf hate train a while ago.
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;46594127]is this thread real? are these posts happening?[/QUOTE]
sensationalist headlines, brings out the best[sp](worst)[/sp]in people
people who say it's ok because he didn't say anything are probably also people who are okay with girls getting raped while drunk because they couldn't say no
That's beyond awful
It was definitely rape, but come on, he wasn't in shock. She whipped his legs for ten whole minutes and then stripped him, it's not like she rushed into the room and sat on his dick. He had an ample amount of time to voice any objections and a line of people to help him. It wasn't cool, but it was easily preventable.
ok google, search 'victim blaming'
are you guys forgetting the fact that the chick whipped him and he probably didn't want to get hurt any further so he didn't do anything because, you know, he was afraid of getting hurt
"he could have prevent this if he did something"
naive logic, do you know at how many rape cases you can apply this and be completely wrong?
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
aggression and rape must be hilarious starlight 456
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46595890]are you guys forgetting the fact that the chick whipped him and he probably didn't want to get hurt any further so he didn't do anything because, you know, he was afraid of getting hurt
"he could have prevent this if he did something"
naive logic, do you know at how many rape cases you can apply this and be completely wrong?[/QUOTE]
Yeah except, you know, most rape cases don't happen to a celebrity in public during an event where a huge crowd of people are within earshot and are there purely to see said celebrity.
I guess asking why he let it happen is pointless, and as we've said over and over yes it's rape and was very bad, but it's still confusing. If he was whipped for 10 minutes, is it too horrible to wonder why he wouldn't make any noise at all during said 10 minutes?
[QUOTE=Saturdaythe14;46595940]Yeah except, you know, most rape cases don't happen to a celebrity in public during an event where a huge crowd of people are within earshot and are there purely to see said celebrity.
I guess asking why he let it happen is pointless, and as we've said over and over yes it's rape and was very bad, but it's still confusing. If he was whipped for 10 minutes, is it too horrible to wonder why he wouldn't make any noise at all during said 10 minutes?[/QUOTE]
because people are different and react differently?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46595951]because people are different and react differently?[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and people found it weird that his reaction was to be totally silent while he was beat for 10 minutes before anything else happened.
That's the entire purpose of this conversation. Some guys thought his reaction was strange. There is no rape apologist movement or victim blaming.
I don't understand why so many people are taking offense to this and shouting over it.
No, people are literally saying he could have prevented this.
They aren't talking about his reaction.
The reason he didn't stop her is because he was dedicated to the performance art, not because it was too traumatising. He had probably anticipated something like this happening, it sounds like he was more bothered about the boyfriend being there and not being able to explain to his girlfriend than the actual rape.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46595992]No, people are literally saying he could have prevented this.
They aren't talking about his reaction.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because his reaction to not literally prevent it was strange. He [I]could[/I] have literally prevented it, this should be obvious for reasons that people have said already.
That doesn't mean it isn't rape, and it doesn't mean he's an idiot. It means it's strange, or at least strange enough to bring up in a topic like this.
What do you want people to do? Ignore the fact that there was an out and never talk about it? For every single person to say "yeah, that sucks" and friendly and go on?
People found it strange he didn't say or do anything at all and voiced that. It's nobody's place to then shout about victim blaming or call everyone a rape apologist. This has gotten silly and out of hand.
...and yeah, a few people have said some stupid things, but that should be obvious and isn't important.
Lol facepunch is constantly going on about male rape victims and how nobody takes them seriously etc. in threads about women being raped and then when it actually happens people bust out the victim blaming and not taking him seriously. Like what the fuck is wrong with you guys holy shit.
disgusting humans itt
[QUOTE=squids_eye;46596000]The reason he didn't stop her is because he was dedicated to the performance art, not because it was too traumatising. He was probably anticipated something like this happening, it sounds like he was more bothered about the boyfriend being there and not being able to explain to his girlfriend than the actual rape.[/QUOTE]
Totally, everyone expects being raped during a performance piece.
It's not like he wasn't afraid of doing anything on hurting the girl because her boyfriend was also there.
Who wouldn't be bothered when the first thing he has to say to his girlfriend after 5 days of not talking to her is "I was raped."
[QUOTE=FFStudios;46595745]people who say it's ok because he didn't say anything are probably also people who are okay with girls getting raped while drunk because they couldn't say no[/QUOTE]
No one said it was okay.
Shia Labeouf had ample time to react but decided not to. People are puzzled by the decision, and some other people decided to be pricks and yell rape apology because they want to feel superior.
The entire thing is about the guy being way too dedicated to his art performance to break out of it and people trying to defend what is by all means a strange and some would argue idiotic decision because they're somehow persuaded that rape is an issue where only one side can be blamed and the other side can only be left alone with absolutely not a single responsibility to bear, even when they actually are responsible for some parts of the event.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46596044]Totally, everyone expects being raped during a performance piece.
It's not like he wasn't afraid of doing anything on hurting the girl because her boyfriend was also there.
Who wouldn't be bothered when the first thing he has to say to his girlfriend after 5 days of not talking to her is "I was raped."[/QUOTE]
When it's a performance piece based around letting hundreds of strangers do whatever they want with you, you would be an idiot not to expect the worst. Did you actually read the quote?
[quote]One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for ten minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me… There were hundreds of people in line when she walked out with dishevelled hair and smudged lipstick. It was no good, not just for me but her man as well. On top of that my girl was in line to see me, because it was Valentine’s Day and I was living in the gallery for the duration of the event – we were separated for five days, no communication. So it really hurt her as well, as I guess the news of it travelled through the line. When she came in she asked for an explanation, and I couldn’t speak, so we both sat with this unexplained trauma silently. It was painful.[/quote]
He only mentions the rape itself as a set up for how weird the aftermath was.
I don't know much about art, but it certainly can't be, or shouldn't be, about absolute submission of one's person both physically and mentally for people to use. That's more like whoring yourself out the way I see it, except this guy did it for 'art' of some god forsaken kind rather than any kind of actual reward. If his 'art' was meant to ilicit emotion, not of any specific kind, but emotion nonetheless, he succeeded if I'm concerned.
I won't say he had it coming because it's incredibly unlikely somebody would just molest somebody like that in semipublic, but in a twisted way, he got shown the flaw of his interpretation of 'art', and a grim fact about human nature, through his... experiment:
There can be sick fucks with no qualms about taking advantage of somebody who has faith in people, who is weird enough to stay silent throughout while horrible things happen to him. Such as a closed room with a man giving an open invitation for people to do anything to him without specifying what he will NOT allow others to do to him, effectively canceling his 'artistic' experiment out on its own.
The rapist can go fuck herself, but the guy is kind of idiotic for thinking getting raped for 'art' is worth being silent while said criminal act is being committed. Its like watching a robbery in progress, hoping to pick up some of the scattered dollars the heister's loot bags leave on their wake.
Sorry if this sounded biased, I just really don't find this particular kind of 'art' nothing more than pretentious or something like that. Yeah, you'll stand in a room and let people pick your nose, ruffle your hair or pouring paint thinner on you, because you see it as 'artistic' interpretation of god-knows-what, or something to be interpreted by people. Meanwhile there are people out there you could be helping, lives you could be saving, instead of getting lit on fire over 'art'.
I know art is more than paintings, sculptures and theater, but seriously, mangling yourself, or letting yourself get mangled or otherwise violated, is not art. Its submission to the will of people, numbing yourself to self worth.
I probably missed some things in this post and sound like an utter asshole or something, but this had been in my mind about this kind of art.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46596044]Totally, everyone expects being raped during a performance piece.
It's not like he wasn't afraid of doing anything on hurting the girl because her boyfriend was also there.
Who wouldn't be bothered when the first thing he has to say to his girlfriend after 5 days of not talking to her is "I was raped."[/QUOTE]
It's funny how you tell squids_eye his argument doesn't stand because he doesn't know what Shia Labeouf was thinking at the time and couldn't have predicted a rape occurrence in his performance art... but then you proceed to assume what Shia Labeouf was thinking at the time and assume he could have predicted the girl had a boyfriend who was standing right there and would have reacted violently if he tried to stop her girlfriend from raping him.
I mean come on, at least try not to be a giant hypocrite.
Well you can't say Shia Labeouf isn't the most dedicated method actor of our time atleast.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46596099]It's funny how you tell squids_eye his argument doesn't stand because he doesn't know what Shia Labeouf was thinking at the time and couldn't have predicted a rape occurrence in his performance art... but then you proceed to assume what Shia Labeouf was thinking at the time and assume he could have predicted the girl had a boyfriend who was standing right there and would have reacted violently if he tried to stop her girlfriend from raping him.
I mean come on, at least try not to be a giant hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure boyfriends would defend their girlfriends
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46596063]No one said it was okay.
Shia Labeouf had ample time to react but decided not to. People are puzzled by the decision, and some other people decided to be pricks and yell rape apology because they want to feel superior.
The entire thing is about the guy being way too dedicated to his art performance to break out of it and people trying to defend what is by all means a strange and some would argue idiotic decision because they're somehow persuaded that rape is an issue where only one side can be blamed and the other side can only be left alone with absolutely not a single responsibility to bear, even when they actually are responsible for some parts of the event.[/QUOTE]
so if you agree that he was raped, and you agree that it wasn't okay, then what point is there in pointing out that he could have prevented it?
like, okay.
not to accuse you of this, but typically someone points out that they 'could have done something to prevent being raped' in order to stymie legal action, defend the accused, or suggest that the victim deserved it. that was the extent of its use, and as a result it becomes associated with actual rape apologists.
point it out for the sake of practical advice, in other cases maybe, but in this case, the advice you get is 'don't do a performance art piece where you sit in a chair with a bag on your head and let people do and say things to you,' which should be self-evident.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46596136]yeah, I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure boyfriends would defend their girlfriends[/QUOTE]
Well I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure someone who's free of movement and action would defend themselves against a rapist yet here we are
[QUOTE=joes33431;46596152]so if you agree that he was raped, and you agree that it wasn't okay, then what point is there in pointing out that he could have prevented it?
like, okay.
not to accuse you of this, but typically someone points out that they 'could have done something to prevent being raped' in order to stymie legal action, defend the accused, or suggest that the victim deserved it. that was the extent of its use, and as a result it becomes associated with actual rape apologists.
point it out for the sake of practical advice, in other cases maybe, but in this case, the advice you get is 'don't do a performance art piece where you sit in a chair with a bag on your head and let people do and say things to you,' which should be self-evident.[/QUOTE]
Or I'm just pointing out Shia Labeouf's stupidity in his decision to keep on going with a vanity project instead of defending himself like he should have done.
There is not much more point in saying he was stupid or inconsiderate in pursuing an art project than in saying it was awful and that the train of thought should stop here. It's a judgement, that's it.
The only reason this argument is [I]still[/I] going is because some people are desperately trying to shine on top of their high horse by defending a rape victim (and one that seems to be pretty unphased by the actual event at that, since the only reason he pointed at the rape was to explain the awkward situation that followed). Saying "rape is bad" is about as self-evident as "don't let yourself get raped while completely physically able to prevent it because your art project says so".
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;46595116]*wah wah straw man ad hominem wah wah he wasn't raped I'm a big piece of shit*
you people disgust me[/QUOTE]
Is this ironic shitposting?
Or are you actually saying "ad hominem" within something that's nothing but ad hominem on it's own?
victim blaming: the thread
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46596136]yeah, I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure boyfriends would defend their girlfriends[/QUOTE]
I doubt he would've reacted violently had Shia simply called for help though. Otherwise, the boyfriend too would've been a psycho, just like the rapist herself.
Edit: And then you would also have had the other hundred people waiting outside, including Labeouf's girlfriend. I'm sure they would've been willing to help, even if the boyfriend attacked.
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