• Some crazy ass hoe raped Shia LaBeouf during his art exibit
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im not really a fan of shia labeouf but what some people are saying is still very uncalled for: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xwfvebP.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=gamefighterx;46596297]im not really a fan of shia labeouf but what some people are saying is still very uncalled for: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xwfvebP.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Piers Morgan is desperately trying to stay relevant via social issues all the time. He tried to write a piece about the word Nigger a while back which did nothing but show his glaring incompetence in the matter and then he got mad at people calling him out. Not to mention the fact he's a huge twitter flamer and has been known to call people names all the time.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;46595410]I will ask you this again: are you saying that he was so shocked and afraid that he got paralysis and was unable to move or speak (coincidentally that's how he was supposed to behave in his act) during the entire rape and then after when his girlfriend came to see him?[/QUOTE] are you saying that i, silly sil, egalitarian, don't know what went through a rape victims head as they were being raped??
If you don't say yes and someone has sex with you it's rape. What's so hard to understand? Consent is literally the easiest thing in the world. Facepunch is just as bad as the mensrights forum on reddit these days, everyone there is scrambling head over heels to blame LaBeouf for this and you guys are doing it too.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46595072]Dumb me please but if you had asked people what they think of him a few days ago, most people would have said something along the lines of a tool. I don't understand why I should suddenly like him because he became a victim of rape. This does not mean I'm glad he got raped or trying to downplay it. Neither do I like people implying that I am, thank you very much.[/QUOTE] there's a time and a place for saying you don't like a celebrity and just after they admit to being a victim of rape is not it. anyone who thinks that's appropriate would at best not understand how severe the situation is and at worst be trying to distract from it. which are you
rape is fucked up man how did this insane woman get away with it
It's not his fault, he didn't deserve it, but I highly doubt he couldn't have prevented it.
i think the idea of his exhibit is pretty interesting like most things shia labeouf does nowadays and i hope he managed to detach himself from the horrible experience. it sounds to me like the detachment and observation of how people treated him was the point of the exhibit which might be why he didn't stop it from happening. whatever it is i'm sure there's a personal reason why he didn't break, it doesn't seem unreasonable or insane to me. i hope he pulls through any trauma he might have.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46596751]If you don't say yes and someone has sex with you it's rape. What's so hard to understand? Consent is literally the easiest thing in the world.[/QUOTE] Does it have to be literally the word "Yes"? If it isn't literally the word "yes", where's the distinction? Does a nod count? What about an "mm"?
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;46594127]is this thread real? are these posts happening?[/QUOTE] The amount of dumbasses is fucking astonishing.
[QUOTE=gk99;46596936]The amount of dumbasses is fucking astonishing.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid to even contribute to this thread with all of the shit being thrown back and forth between the sane people and the idiots.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;46596916]Does it have to be literally the word "Yes"? If it isn't literally the word "yes", where's the distinction? Does a nod count? What about an "mm"?[/QUOTE] It has to be an expressed desire to have sex. If you can't tell whether or not someone is expressing a desire to have sex, ask them. If they don't respond, don't have sex.
[QUOTE=gamefighterx;46596297]im not really a fan of shia labeouf but what some people are saying is still very uncalled for: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xwfvebP.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Can Jeremy Clarkson punch his ass out again
This thread wtf you asperger deformities who would freeze up in silence if a woman even attempts eye contact lol.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46596997]It has to be an expressed desire to have sex. If you can't tell whether or not someone is expressing a desire to have sex, ask them. If they don't respond, don't have sex.[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, isn't there a caveat to this that also requires you to take sobriety into account? A drunken yes or willingness to have sex...would it still count as a yes or a no? In any case,sucks what happened to Shia LeBeouf. Nobody should be taken advantage of and violated like that.
Simply put the dude gave consent the second he said "You can do whatever you want to me". And that's not even starting on the fact he literally did nothing to stop her. I'm sorry but fuck this dude he is just as bad as those girls who have sex and then call rape falsely.
I cannot fucking believe the posts in this thread You guys are literally blaming him for not responding out of shock If someone beat the crap out of him and didn't fight back, it wouldn't be his fault, but all the sudden, since it's sexual violence, if he didn't fight back, is his fault. If you blame a victim for not fighting back, you are fucking scum.
[QUOTE=Soukuw;46597284]Simply put the dude gave consent the second he said "You can do whatever you want to me". And that's not even starting on the fact he literally did nothing to stop her. I'm sorry but fuck this dude he is just as bad as those girls who have sex and then call rape falsely.[/QUOTE] "You can do what ever you want to me" means in the context of a public art exhibit, this means drawing on his paper bag, asking him questions or moving his chair around, not fucking raping him you actual turd
[QUOTE=snookypookums;46597214]Out of curiosity, isn't there a caveat to this that also requires you to take sobriety into account? A drunken yes or willingness to have sex...would it still count as a yes or a no?[/QUOTE] If you don't have a preexisting relationship with the person and can't infer what their intentions would be if they were sober, don't risk it. A drunk "yes" is technically not a yes. Getting drunk is fun because, frankly, we become stupid. Nobody should have to fear someone else exploiting their inability to reason when they're drunk.
yo guys what's with the first source lmao its some of the most pretentious shit i've ever seen...
[QUOTE=Soukuw;46597284]Simply put the dude gave consent the second he said "You can do whatever you want to me".[/QUOTE] "You can do whatever you want to me" is hella vague. Consent should be clear and concise.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46596738]are you saying that i, silly sil, egalitarian, don't know what went through a rape victims head as they were being raped??[/QUOTE] What are you trying to do here? Somehow shift this to me? You are the people who are saying that a celebrity next to a crowd of people was whipped for 10 minutes and then raped and he was so shocked that he was paralyzed during the entire thing and then even after when his gf came to see him. Attacking me will not make what you're saying any less ridiculous. [QUOTE=Zeke129;46596751]If you don't say yes and someone has sex with you it's rape. What's so hard to understand? Consent is literally the easiest thing in the world. Facepunch is just as bad as the mensrights forum on reddit these days, everyone there is scrambling head over heels to blame LaBeouf for this and you guys are doing it too.[/QUOTE] Do you people even read the thread or you just see an argument regarding rape and then copypaste some shit about victim blaming? People are saying that it is rape but are questioning why he didn't do anything. This entire thing is a farce and the way you people are going about this is really insane. I forgot how far from planet earth some people on this forum are. The way you act when rape is in question is asinine. It's like rape is some sacred thing that can't be questioned and all rape is equal no matter what the circumstances. If I made a bet on a party that I'm not going to move or say anything for 30 minutes and someone would start undressing me and then proceeded to rape me and I wouldn't do anything because I didn't want to lose the bet, is it still rape? Sure, I didn't give my consent. But I could have stopped it at any point or even prevented it (as I was being undressed) but I decided that the bet is more important to me than not getting raped. In other words it was my conscious decision to let it happen (but it's still rape because I didn't give my consent to the person doing it). And that's what happened here because I don't buy that he was so shocked and AFRAID that he didn't walk out when she was undressing him or that he simply didn't shout "help" the entire time it was happening, and that he was so shocked that when his gf came he still had the paralysis and didn't do or say anything. Or that he didn't stop the performance for the rest of the duration. [QUOTE=soccerskyman;46597673]I cannot fucking believe the posts in this thread You guys are literally blaming him for not responding out of shock If someone beat the crap out of him and didn't fight back, it wouldn't be his fault, but all the sudden, since it's sexual violence, if he didn't fight back, is his fault. If you blame a victim for not fighting back, you are fucking scum.[/QUOTE] If someone went there and told him "I'm going to beat the shit out of you in 10 minutes if you don't break the act" and then shia wouldn't break the act and would start getting punched in the face for another 10 minutes and he still wouldn't do anything to stop it, then your analogy would work. It's not like she went there gagged and bound him and then did it. The only restraints he had was the ones that he put on himself by continuing the performance.
Beta as fuck.
You know to be honest I'm not sure what's worse, that people got so angry over trying to talk about the situation, or that so many people have come in to do nothing but say vague-ass high horse things like this: [QUOTE=Jarokwa;46597235]this must be one of the most pathetic threads up on fp atm[/QUOTE] and get a bunch of agrees. This is a really touchy subject and obviously everyone wishes it didn't happen, but the fact that people were willing to throw around insults and mark people as rape apologists for trying to talk about it is just embarrassing.
[i]"In those clothes, she was pretty much asking for it." "She was in a public park, yet did not scream for help a single time." "She agreed to come with him to his house, what did she expect?"[/i]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;46598636]What are you trying to do here? Somehow shift this to me? You are the people who are saying that a celebrity next to a crowd of people was whipped for 10 minutes and then raped and he was so shocked that he was paralyzed during the entire thing and then even after when his gf came to see him. Attacking me will not make what you're saying any less ridiculous.[/QUOTE] i was just making fun of you because i remember how you harp on about being an egalitarian and all the 'male rape happens too!' stuff that goes with that, and now in a thread about male rape you disregard it
I think it may be clear that when he did this act he didnt really expect anyone to cross any sort of line He probably didnt expect anyone to undress him, and so you see for the sake of the act he kept cool but that doesnt mean that he wasnt by any measure significantly traumatized after being all good and done and thinking about what happened. That being said the line that should not be crossed really is a grey area. You cant brutally beat someone and expect to get away with it because you got their consent, even if they never told you to stop. That's just my analogy but you see what I mean [editline]29th November 2014[/editline] There is a certain area of common sense. Just because someone says 'do anythin u want' does not mean you should go ahead and just get every atrocious thing out of them because you are given the chance
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46598864]i was just making fun of you because i remember how you harp on about being an egalitarian and all the 'male rape happens too!' stuff that goes with that, and now in a thread about male rape you disregard it[/QUOTE] I never made the argument "male rape happens too!" this is what you people get in your head when someone mentions something about a male being raped or makes such analogy, just like you assume that everyone who wants to question something Shia did here says that what happened to him isn't rape (like you just did). You people have these idiotic triggers in your head that make strawmen out of arguments inside your head before you even know it. Someone questions what a rape victim did = either victim blaming or saying it's not rape. And another thing. I don't categorize rape, molestation, violence, abuse, etc, etc by gender, race, etc like you people do. If this was a woman raped by a guy I'd be saying the same thing. If he was raped by a guy I would be saying the same thing. If that was a woman raped by another woman I would be saying the same thing. And yet another thing, you assume that I'm on some "male side" or whatever you made up in your head and that now I'm arguing against what I was saying earlier. I look at every situation separately and I ignore race and gender of the people involved, for me you could just replace the names of people with "person1", "person2" and so on. I know it's an impossible concept for you to understand.
He is pretty right ough and you can't do anything vs those wicked sick burns. One or just maybe two people do any blatant rape denial and suddenly the entire thread is a rape apologist victim blaming illuminati cult? Could the term 'grasping at straws' be any more fitting in thos situation? Some of you guys are LITERALLY attempting to find someone to argue at by taking shots in the dark [editline]29th November 2014[/editline] Literally ridiculous I might literally say
It's entirely possible to be a complete moron [I]and[/I] a victim. The two are hardly mutually exclusive, nor do they cancel each other out. Indeed, being the former frequently contributes to becoming the latter, as apparently happened here...
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