Some crazy ass hoe raped Shia LaBeouf during his art exibit
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[QUOTE=Silly Sil;46598999]I never made the argument "male rape happens too!" this is what you people get in your head when someone mentions something about a male being raped or makes such analogy, just like you assume that everyone who wants to question something Shia did here says that what happened to him isn't rape (like you just did).
You people have these idiotic triggers in your head that make strawmen out of arguments inside your head before you even know it. Someone questions what a rape victim did = either victim blaming or saying it's not rape.
And another thing. I don't categorize rape, molestation, violence, abuse, etc, etc by gender, race, etc like you people do. If this was a woman raped by a guy I'd be saying the same thing. If he was raped by a guy I would be saying the same thing. If that was a woman raped by another woman I would be saying the same thing. And yet another thing, you assume that I'm on some "male side" or whatever you made up in your head and that now I'm arguing against what I was saying earlier. I look at every situation separately and I ignore race and gender of the people involved, for me you could just replace the names of people with "person1", "person2" and so on. I know it's an impossible concept for you to understand.[/QUOTE]
whole lot of words here just to disregard a rape
Lol
Cant believe this
Shia dude, grow a pair.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46599075]whole lot of words here just to disregard a rape[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking only about this situation? Are you trolling, not reading at all what you're replying to or was it too complicated for you to understand so you just went with some knee-jerk reply?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46593723]Believe it or not, you can get erect when you dont want to.[/QUOTE]
the public buses brr
[QUOTE=MetallicaLover;46599160]Lol
Cant believe this
Shia dude, grow a pair.[/QUOTE]
You ignant.
Could he not say stop when she started to undress him? Like I get being shocked if you get raped and can't say anything but being shocked when you start to be undressed?
I'm so embarrassed for some people in this thread. I hope they never read their posts in a year and go "oh god what was I thinking".
[QUOTE=Magman77;46600261]I'm so embarrassed for some people in this thread. I hope they never read their posts in a year and go "oh god what was I thinking".[/QUOTE]
Half of the thread is filled with these kinds of posts, I think they get it by now.
It cannot possibly be overstated.
He never got raped, he's lying. He is an actor y'know
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;46600584]He never got raped, he's lying. He is an actor y'know[/QUOTE]
come on.
[QUOTE=Magman77;46600261]I'm so embarrassed for some people in this thread. I hope they never read their posts in a year and go "oh god what was I thinking".[/QUOTE]
That's a vague as fuck post. Are you referring to the few rape apologists or to the people who believe any attempt at discussion or contextualization is victim blaming?
I can't decide how to feel about this because it is a very strange situation. At the end of the day he was raped and the woman is fucking horrible. On the other hand he told people they can do anything to him in a closed room with a table of various items, one of them being a whip. He even had bodyguards outside. Why even?
To be honest, Shia was acting strange lately (though he was pretty good in Fury, I saw it yesterday, but I'm talking about real life now) so given that I believe he just didn't see the full scale of his art piece and one woman used his moment of vulnerability.
It is a very, very odd scenario and because of it I believe he has small blame for it. The woman is the monster in this though. (And before you go on a crusade if the genders were reversed I'd feel the same way.)
Everything would change if Shia had some mental issues (depression, anxiety, panic attacks) which wouldn't surprise me honestly and then of course I'd feel completely different about this.
[QUOTE=_Axel;46600701]That's a vague as fuck post. Are you referring to the few rape apologists or to the people who believe any attempt at discussion or contextualization is victim blaming?[/QUOTE]
It should be pretty fucking obvious that I'm talking about the people trying to justify it by putting it in context.
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[QUOTE=Marden;46600782]On the other hand he told people they can do anything[/QUOTE]
no. stop. it's fucked up. this does not make it okay
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46593612]And he just sat there doing nothing ? Could he seriously not break the act for one damn second and shove her to the side like anyone else would have done ?[/QUOTE]
The reason he did the exhibit thing is because (according to his interview with Ellen) he was reading a LOT of criticism online about him and he just thought "okay well let's just do it this way and then people can just let their anger out" and he realized that for (apparently only MOST of the people) it was a good thing because they stopped seeing him as an object and started to see him as like a human, which is good
but his point was that he was just going to take whatever happened because he felt that he deserved it or that it's more or less the same as people shitting on him online
i'm not saying i agree, but the point was that he was giving people the option to give him the same abuse he was getting online, and for the most part he didn't
[QUOTE=Marden;46600782] On the other hand he told people they can do anything to him in a closed room with a table of various items, one of them being a whip. He even had bodyguards outside. Why even?[/QUOTE]
Would you invite someone to your house, tell them to do whatever they feel, make themselves welcome and then expect them to rape you?
[QUOTE=Magman77;46600800]It should be pretty fucking obvious that I'm talking about the people trying to justify it by putting it in context.[/QUOTE]
Not that obvious to me.
Do you mean that putting it in context equates to justifying it or are you referring to the few I talked about?
[QUOTE=massaki;46600829]Would you invite someone to your house, tell them to do whatever they feel, make themselves welcome and then expect them to rape you?[/QUOTE]
No, but if I invited a woman over and she started slowly undressing me, and I didn't want her to do that, I'd just let her know before it ever progressed to "rape". It would be a little misunderstanding that I'd clear up and then there would be no big fucking deal [I]unless she disregarded my "no" and started using force[/I], then that would be rape.
Normal people push the boundaries of physical contact slowly all the time without asking first, but as soon as they get any disapproval, they stop. Do you ask a girl whether it's okay every time you go in for a kiss?
EDIT: before anyone flames me, if Shia feels that he was raped, and he couldn't say no for whatever reason, then I completely sympathize with that, and I understand that in that case, he is a victim of rape. I'm not [I]blaming[/I] him. But believe it or not, sometimes it's okay to see [I]both sides[/I] of a situation and how it came about. Sometimes there are situations where it's hard to fault or blame [I]either person[/I].
If this woman was used to escalating physical contact with men until they say no, and she never had a problem with that before, then [i]in her mind[/i] she wasn't raping him, and it's a very unfortunate situation that it was rape for him. But ultimately, it's up for a court of law to decide whether it was legally rape, and if it was, then I hope Shia gets all the compensation he deserves. And if it was traumatizing for him, then I hope he gets therapy or whatever he needs to help with that, and I wouldn't think less of him for needing therapy.
But basically, it doesn't accomplish anything to drag either of them (Shia or the woman) through the mud in this thread.
If I went to that performance art exhibit, my time with Shia would consist of me playing the Even Stevens theme tune on a loop while I recited classic scenes between Louis and Beans.
[QUOTE=Magman77;46600810]no. stop. it's fucked up. this does not make it okay[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=massaki;46600829]Would you invite someone to your house, tell them to do whatever they feel, make themselves welcome and then expect them to rape you?[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it's fucked up. The whole art piece is not normal. If you say something vague like that and leave a whip among other things on a table some crazy person will take it the wrong way. Then the next part of the art piece was him remaining silent. Sometimes I don't understand modern art. Was his artistic integrity more valuable to him than his dignity?
And if I invited a complete stranger of course there would be a small chance he/she could try to rape me. Unlike Shia I wouldn't try to make art and let it happen.
tbh no one other than himself can fully understand why, but it doesnt mean he had to like it or just suck it up and never talk about it.
people act like he's trying draw attention to himself with a massive victim story. it happened in february and he only recently revealed it in response to an interviewers question and it got picked up as big news. if you dont think the story is worth your time maybe criticize your selected news outlet and not labeouf for having the gall to answer a question about a personal experience in an interview.
At the risk of sounding like a victim-blamer (I'm not. . .I take male rape as seriously as I do the inverse, and hate when people scoff at it), his general attention-whoring past makes this claim dubious at best.
I just don't believe him. He cried wolf a few too many times. . .was caught in a few too many lies and shady situations. Yes, it should be investigated. All claims of rape should be throughly investigated, no matter how far-fetched they may sound. But this just sounds like more of the same bullshit that Shia's known for.
[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;46604547]At the risk of sounding like a victim-blamer (I'm not. . .I take male rape as seriously as I do the inverse, and hate when people scoff at it), his general attention-whoring past makes this claim dubious at best.
I just don't believe him. He cried wolf a few too many times. . .was caught in a few too many lies and shady situations. Yes, it should be investigated. All claims of rape should be throughly investigated, no matter how far-fetched they may sound. But this just sounds like more of the same bullshit that Shia's known for.[/QUOTE]
He didn't come to any news outlet with this, he got interviewed and mentioned the event and then it was the media that made it big.
[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;46604547]At the risk of sounding like a victim-blamer (I'm not. . .I take male rape as seriously as I do the inverse, and hate when people scoff at it), his general attention-whoring past makes this claim dubious at best.
I just don't believe him. He cried wolf a few too many times. . .was caught in a few too many lies and shady situations. Yes, it should be investigated. All claims of rape should be throughly investigated, no matter how far-fetched they may sound. But this just sounds like more of the same bullshit that Shia's known for.[/QUOTE]
"I'm not a victim blamer, but I'm going to invalidate his victimhood anyways"
Not at all. But, a sad fact is that some people do fabricate rape allegations. It sucks, and it makes things harder for actual rape victims.
Sorry, but I have a hard time believing anything Shia says. He could say "It's raining," and I'd have to stick my head outside a few times before I took his word for it.
If he was indeed raped, then that's horrible, and I hope he gets justice. I'm just considering the source.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46604711]"I'm not a victim blamer, but I'm going to invalidate his victimhood anyways"[/QUOTE]
Questioning whether someone is a victim has fuck all to do with victim blaming...
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46605080]Questioning whether someone is a victim has fuck all to do with victim blaming...[/QUOTE]
"He/she didn't do what I would do if I was raped therefore I don't believe them. Why didn't they <x/y/z> if they were raped? Why did they <a/b/c>? Clearly this means they are lying"
Yup, definitely not victim blaming. Not at all.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46605411]"He/she didn't do what I would do if I was raped therefore I don't believe them. Why didn't they <x/y/z> if they were raped? Why did they <a/b/c>? Clearly this means they are lying"
Yup, definitely not victim blaming. Not at all.[/QUOTE]
Wow nice job assuming everyone fits into the gender binary.
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