Some crazy ass hoe raped Shia LaBeouf during his art exibit
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[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;46604850]Not at all. But, a sad fact is that some people do fabricate rape allegations. It sucks, and it makes things harder for actual rape victims.
Sorry, but I have a hard time believing anything Shia says. He could say "It's raining," and I'd have to stick my head outside a few times before I took his word for it.
If he was indeed raped, then that's horrible, and I hope he gets justice. I'm just considering the source.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and the people who do fabricate rape allegations are [B]FAR[/B] [I][B]FAR[/B][/I] [U][B][I]FAR[/I][/B][/U] outnumbered by those who DON'T, so to assume that he's lying about it for attention (which I highly doubt seeing as these revelations came from an [I]interview[/I]) is indeed invalidating his victimhood.
[editline]30th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46605080]Questioning whether someone is a victim has fuck all to do with victim blaming...[/QUOTE]
Right now I'm questioning what level your reading comprehension is at.
You implied that questioning if someone is a victim is the same thing as victim blaming.
Those are separate matters, and it is entirely justifiable to question if someone is lying, especially if they are known to be unreliable and no backing evidence is available for their claim.
One could say the point of the art project was to analyze human behavior, a good topic considering we have things such as cynicism and idealism blocking our perception of reality. Here, we get a complete look at what can happen and how low (and high) humanity could get. To prevent this specific rape occurrence would result in artificial alteration of the artwork and thus bias.
Does that mean Shia himself doesn't receive a personal impact from this? No. Is he insane? Perhaps, but like many things and all artists, their suffering generally gives us greater insight. This could be a commentary on the concept of probability and how vulnerable we are for relying on it. Another take is being paranoid and suggesting the possibility that he might be lying, which further proves our pathetically weak grasp on truth.
A lot of people continue to hate on him, but already he's proven himself to be an artist. With all of the hate and criticism he got, do you people honestly think he just "ignores the haters" like Bieber? He probably wound up thinking really hard about himself, his career, and life in general. That's usually more than enough to drive a person mad. And if he isn't an artist, this thread wouldn't have 5 pages discussing ethics and law.
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46605672]You implied that questioning if someone is a victim is the same thing as victim blaming.
Those are separate matters, and it is entirely justifiable to question if someone is lying, especially if they are known to be unreliable and no backing evidence is available for their claim.[/QUOTE]
"If you hadn't dressed that way you wouldn't have been raped. If you had called for help it wouldn't have ended this way. You could have done something to stop this. This is your fault. "
"Why didn't he do anything to stop it I think he is lying"
The two are very closely related.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46605731]"If you hadn't dressed that way you wouldn't have been raped. If you had called for help it wouldn't have ended this way. You could have done something to stop this. This is your fault. "
"Why didn't he do anything to stop it I think he is lying"
The two are very closely related.[/QUOTE]
Not automatically related, although it is possible to use victim blaming and questioning together, or for one to consciously or subconsciously motivate the other.
Questioning of victimhood has to be done over any claim to be a victim. Now, it can certainly be done wrong, for example hostile questioning of the person making the claim (unless you have strong evidence they are lying), or wrongly motivated, but at the same time you can't accept (and certainly can't act on) a claim as serious as rape without critical evaluation of the claim and supporting evidence.
Victim blaming on the other hand is almost universally non-constructive. We don't exactly live in an ideal world, so its a valid point to say that for example walking alone though a park in the middle of the night is a stupid thing to do, but at the same time you'd have to be a kinda shitty human being to hold that against a person who has already been disproportionately and unjustly punished for their actions. Also, tends to detract from the wrongdoing of the rapist (if we are talking about rape). Although if we aren't talking about rape and someone is largely or entirely the victim of their own stupidity, I reserve the right to point, laugh and mock to their face as applicable.
Anyway, back to Shia LaBeouf. I'm questioning his claim due to his general unreliability, the whole "didn't move or make a sound even with guards and a whole line of people right outside that would have helped him, all for the sake of completing a performance piece" actually fits with my impression of him being slightly stupid and/or crazy, and thus would fall under supporting evidence.
[QUOTE=Th3applek1d;46600010]You ignant.[/QUOTE]
be upset
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46605672]You implied that questioning if someone is a victim is the same thing as victim blaming.
Those are separate matters, and it is entirely justifiable to question if someone is lying, especially if they are known to be unreliable and no backing evidence is available for their claim.[/QUOTE]
No I didn't.
I would like to reiterate that my belief that Shia is lying does NOT mean it shouldn't be investigated. ALL claims of rape should be throughly investigated, regardless of the source. To not do so would be to descend down a very, VERY slippery slope. And until the investigation is carried out, and the truth is found, the legal system should, in fact, treat the claim as valid.
similar thing happened with Marina Abramovic
as crazy as it sounds, one of the reasons he probably didn't react was the same reason she didn't, that it would compromise the purpose of the piece. This a lot like Abramovic's was intended to showcase uncensored human reaction to passivity, so like what a person will do to someone else when they are informed there will be no repercussions or defence.
Shock was definitely a part of it I have no doubt, but at the same time some artists genuinely are that committed to their art. Abramovic nearly got shot due to her piece
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46593612]And he just sat there doing nothing ? Could he seriously not break the act for one damn second and shove her to the side like anyone else would have done ?[/QUOTE]
Some actors are so dedicated to their craft they would do or put up with any kind of shit. After all you're talking about the guy who did Transformers.
Pretty fucking weird circumstances here...
It sounds like if it's true he just let someone undress and rape him without saying or doing anything JUST so he could make some point about his 'art exhibit'?
Very dubious situation
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;46600584]He never got raped, he's lying. He is an actor y'know[/QUOTE]
I don't watch talk shows, all those things the actors talk about never happened, since they're actors! Actors literally do nothing other than pretend to do things they didn't do!
[QUOTE=Punchy;46593457]what?
how do you rape somebody for 10 minutes in public? source is dead and i'm confused[/QUOTE]
oh didnt you know rape means something else now and is now associated by most people as an act of misunderstanding rather than ol fashioned classic raep.
"oh look someone who has an opinion that isnt dumbass circlejerk idiot, "yes we are right.. but to what degree," bullshit, lets rate him dumb."
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