Donald Trump set to have the view from his golf course ruined. Freedom died today RIP
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also someone should make the argument to trump that these will actually reduce the effect of storms and wind on his property as well as ensure his hairpiece stays in place
[QUOTE=lapsus_;43870199]I must be the only one that finds wind turbines in the horizon awe-inspiring.
also ground solar panels[/QUOTE]
I love the wind turbines that you can see from the near the bridge that connects Denmark and Sweden; looks amazing in the distance
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;43869855]I'm hard-pressed to think of a more backwards viewpoint than this. The proliferation of wind turbines is [I]anything[/I] but destructive. They have practically no environmental impact, save for the dirt that needs to be misplaced to plant them. There is hardly a cleaner, less destructive source of energy out there. They're also quite pretty, in my opinion, but I guess at least that bit is subjective.
Mister Trump needs to pull his head out of his coal plant and consider the possibility that the world may not actually need to bend a knee for him.
[editline]11th February 2014[/editline]
Realistically, we need both, and more. In order to completely (or near completely) eschew more environmentally unfriendly forms of energy, we would need to combine wind, solar, and hydroelectric power generation facilities with more intelligent energy usage overall. "Green" buildings are a must-have. The technology isn't there to completely rely on only one alternative source of energy, and even using several doesn't help if we're still pissing away what they produce on a wasteful infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
Only drawbacks to turbines I can think of is that they kill birds easily, including golden eagles. They also have a risk of catching fire and violently exploding, sending shards of blade all over if they malfunction. Though I imagine those will be less frequent as we research them. This is another reason I like deep sea offshore wind. Virtually zero environmental impact, sans noise pollution for sea life.
[QUOTE=OvB;43870259]Only drawbacks to turbines I can think of is that they kill birds easily, including golden eagles. They also have a risk of catching fire and violently exploding, sending shards of blade all over if they malfunction. Though I imagine those will be less frequent as we research them. This is another reason I like deep sea offshore wind. Virtually zero environmental impact, sans noise pollution for sea life.[/QUOTE]Isn't there also some sort of thing that happens called "flicker" that can be incredibly annoying to people who live in houses in the path of the shadows caused by wind turbines? But I suppose that's much less of a drawback
Yeah people that live near them often complain about the noise and moving shadows. Another plus for offshore.
A source of power with no drawbacks doesn't really exist though. Wind turbines can be an eye sore or annoying to those who live near them, solar is seasonal for a lot of the world and also doesn't function at night. They also both rely on weather to function fully and brownouts because of the wrong weather won't sit well with people. Hydroelectric is environmentally destructive and nuclear, whilst the victim of sensationalism, does come with waste (which needs to be stored, even if for only 300 years or so with gen III) IIRC is more expensive than others.
Fossil fuels have the iddy biddy problem of fucking up the entire global climate, our oceans and ecosystems with their biodiversity.
[sp]Bring on fusion[/sp]
[QUOTE=OvB;43870319]Yeah people that live near them often complain about the noise and moving shadows.[/QUOTE]
so like trees on a windy day
Most countries are never going to rely on a single source of power, all of them have a role to play in the future
They seem pretty far out, so they shouldn't have that much noise.
I think they're awesome. Gives you something to look at, while you can admire the ingenuity of mankind's engineering.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;43869855]They have practically no environmental impact, save for the dirt that needs to be misplaced to plant them.[/QUOTE]
There's quite a bit of CO2 emissions when it comes to producing and transporting the things, and the eventual replacements due to deterioration. Eventually you make up for it with the energy they produce, definitely yeah, it's a great source of clean energy, but let's not give the idea that they have no environmental impact other than moving dirt (which is an expensive thing to do too).
Also, lot's of people find comfort in nature when they're trying to escape their routine or the civilized world and seeing man's footprint on once untouched nature can be quite a turnoff.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43869665][B]There's not enough wind in a city.[/B]
There is in untouched nature.
Besides, a year after they've been put up, then only sign of that there's a windmill park is the damn windmills themselves.
No dig-marks or heavy machinery tracks left, just windmills generating energy from wind[/QUOTE]
Hello from Chicago
needless to say offshore is perfect for them due to lack of impact on local populace and the sheer power of coastal winds. being plains land with lake effect weather, this whole area is ripe for turbines so you'll find them all over, but it isn't quite so effective in some areas over others.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43870424]so like trees on a windy day[/QUOTE]
Apparently the repetition is unsettling.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;43869613]Should've built them [I]on[/I] his golf course instead just for that.[/QUOTE]
Nah, install whistles on the end of each blade,set up so that they are JUST loud enough to be heard from his property, but not loud enough that someone can tell what direction its coming from
Wind turbines are beautiful, they look like future.
[QUOTE=Merijn;43869662]Trump is a massive twat, what else is new?
I think wind turbines have something relaxing about them, I'd love to be able to see some from my window.[/QUOTE]
Trust me, seeing is one thing, but you wouldn't want to hear one from your window. Which is why they tend to not be placed in the middle of cities. The main issue with the sound turbines make is how droning repeating it is. It gets annoying incredibly fast.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43869675]Golf is like the most douchebag sport ever
You literally appropriate and mow down a huge plot of land to toss balls on it once a week
Think of all the better shit we could have done on that plot of land like casinos with blackjack tables and hookers[/QUOTE]
scottish hookers, good luck with that
Never seen FP so united about something. Brings a tear to my eye :')
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43870424]so like trees on a windy day[/QUOTE]
It's more the shadows from what I understand. They don't cause dappled light like trees. They cause constant flickers, which can get extremely irritating, not to mention tiring.
[QUOTE=dai;43870489]Hello from Chicago
needless to say offshore is perfect for them due to lack of impact on local populace and the sheer power of coastal winds. being plains land with lake effect weather, this whole area is ripe for turbines so you'll find them all over, but it isn't quite so effective in some areas over others.[/QUOTE]
the problem with offshore in the great lakes is two fold
1) with 97% of the great lakes frozen this year, ice is something that the turbines bases or the turbines are currently not designed to handle
2) the great lakes are some of the most populated shipping channels out there, unfortunatly near cities there is not much room leftover to put turbines. there are small uninhabited islands in the great lakes that could be used for power generation with little impact on local ecosystems, islands like mouse island in lake erie are only a couple miles wide but its got roads and docks already, putting up a big turbine there wouldn't impact the local region at all and since its close to the mainland the power could easily be shipped to there or other islands through underwater cable (which the lakes also are good for because they are relatively shallow)
He's not even from Britain, why should we give a shit what he wants?
[QUOTE=smurfy;43871122]Never seen FP so united about something. Brings a tear to my eye :')[/QUOTE]
Turbines are shit and are filling Inner Mongolia with acid needed to extract the neodymium. :Colbert:
donald trump is literally the worst, most disconnected person on the planet.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43872260]donald trump is literally the worst, most disconnected person on the planet.[/QUOTE]
We can only pray he doesn't somehow become the next U.S. president.
Ah who am I fooling he won't even get close :v:
[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;43869710]But, wind is a finite resource! If we keep putting up all these wind turbines, then we'll use up all the wind more quickly!
(that was an actual argument against wind turbines, used by a member of the GOP. . .forget which one)[/QUOTE]
Joe Barton, 6th Texas representative.
Full quote:
[QUOTE]Wind is God’s way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it’s hotter to areas where it’s cooler. That’s what wind is. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to wind energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I’m not saying that’s going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can’t transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It’s just something to think about.[/QUOTE]
I kind of like the look of Wind Turbines. Although I suppose it's because they remind me of home (Germany).
I just kinda get a good vibe from them.
Just an fyi: Trump is hardly bourgeois, he's a bloody plutocrat. Bourgeois means middle class.
Now build a Nuclear Power Plant next to the course!
[QUOTE=-The_D-;43870458]There's quite a bit of CO2 emissions when it comes to producing and transporting the things, and the eventual replacements due to deterioration. Eventually you make up for it with the energy they produce, definitely yeah, it's a great source of clean energy, but let's not give the idea that they have no environmental impact other than moving dirt (which is an expensive thing to do too).
Also, lot's of people find comfort in nature when they're trying to escape their routine or the civilized world and seeing man's footprint on once untouched nature can be quite a turnoff.[/QUOTE]
"Wow honey, this camping trip was a great idea! The great out doors, untouched, beautiful. W-wait, is that a wind turbine 3 miles away? This vacation is ruined!"
I never got why people think they're ugly eyesores. I wish people could see the same beauty in them that I do
On days with calm wind Trump should be ordered to let some of that hot air out next to a turbine
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