Pennsylvanians ask feds to help disarm intimidating small-town militia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41750056][/QUOTE] Once again you cite a hundreds year old incident albeit more related, and an incident that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. A race riot involving looting, murder, and other attacks handled by the National Guard after things got a bit out of hand is an illogical thing to compare to a fullscale rebellion. On the case of my friends, they know the government is corrupt and disorganized, but they also know that now is not near the time for a rebellion as things still have a chance of being resolved democratically unlike Syria, Egypt, Libya, ect. In relation to what you said of my father, exactly. And in regard to your last bit, the same could be said for any other rebellion, social change, ect. But they still happen because it's the common man who gets shafted by an inefficient and uncaring government who does not listen to it's citizens. They want to get on with life, but they want to get on with a life they feel they deserve, that they worked hard for, that they've earned, that they have a chance of ACHIEVING. I'm not talking about that "American Dream" nonsense, I'm just talking about a decent standard of living and recognition as an actual citizen in a democratic government and that is not happening. This country is plagued by debt, joblessness, infrastructure problems, so many other things that still could be resolved democratically without some sort of rebellion. But if they aren't, things are going to continue to get worse until it could come to that. My only point is that if you somehow believe that the U.S. Army is going to turn into nazi germany and start executing whoever the government tells them to during a revolution, you should take a step back and try and think how silly that idea is. [editline]7th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DaysBefore;41750429] Surprise surprise not everyone shares your extremely idealistic view of modern western society.[/QUOTE] Sorry but comparing military events hundreds of years old to the problems America is facing today is not logical in the context of some sort of armed revolution especially when the events compared are only somewhat relevant to the topic anyway.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;41750471]My only point is that if you somehow believe that the U.S. Army is going to turn into nazi germany and start executing whoever the government tells them to during a revolution, you should take a step back and try and think how silly that idea is.[/QUOTE] Democracies don't turn into violet dictatorships overnight, it's usually a gradual process in which society realigns to the changing hierarchy, or it follows a period of institutional anarchy like Russia after the first World War. Also, members of the US military, no matter how noble and dedicated and average they are, are still human. Which means they are susceptible to all the same flaws of the average human, such as cruelty or extra-judicial murder. Perhaps, but far from certainly, more so because of their chosen career paths in killing people for their government, which, no matter how else you want to describe it, is kinda the main point of a military.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41750568]Democracies don't turn into violet dictatorships overnight, it's usually a gradual process in which society realigns to the changing hierarchy, or it follows a period of institutional anarchy like Russia after the first World War. Also, members of the US military, no matter how noble and dedicated and average they are, are still human. Which means they are susceptible to all the same flaws of the average human, such as cruelty or extra-judicial murder. Perhaps, but far from certainly, more so because of their chosen career paths in killing people for their government, which, no matter how else you want to describe it, is kinda the main point of a military.[/QUOTE] And just as they have flaws, they have morals. They aren't as detached as the politicians who would order such things either. And while killing people is their job, killing enemy combatants on the other side of the world is different from killing citizens in your own country who could be your friends and family. While there will undoubtedly be those soldiers who would agree to such tasks, they would be dwarfed by the size of those who would not do such a thing.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;41750471]My only point is that if you somehow believe that the U.S. Army is going to turn into nazi germany and start executing whoever the government tells them to during a revolution, you should take a step back and try and think how silly that idea is.[/quote] I don't think that is going to happen lol. It's the militias who say "dah gubbermint is gonna put us in the FEMA camps".

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41750056]To the modern day: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots[/url][/QUOTE] This is a fucking terrible example. The CNG was called in because the LAPD were completely overwhelmed. The CNG only killed a couple people, while rioters killed dozens and wounded [I]thousands[/I]. Obviously you can't just leave a riot to tear the city apart, so they called the CNG to suppress it. If you're going to come up with examples, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings]at lease come up with good ones[/url].

[QUOTE=draugur;41749433]The National Guard isn't a militia. They're a humanitarian branch of the military, they get deployed to do non-combative work occasionally, but 99% of the time they stay state-side and do humanitarian work.[/QUOTE] They do more than non-combative work, [video=youtube;ircwSjbkLhE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircwSjbkLhE[/video]