Poor People Don't Pay Enough Taxes - Senator Hatch - Polidicks

how about raise taxes for the poor ... then raise taxes even more for the wealthy then put that money into important things that will improve the livelihood of everyone, like healthcare. Taxes in the US are the lowest they've been for decades, for everyone.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30988096]how about raise taxes for the poor ... then raise taxes even more for the wealthy then put that money into important things that will improve the livelihood of everyone, like healthcare. Taxes in the US are the lowest they've been for decades, for everyone.[/QUOTE] Or use that tax money for education, as well as better working conditions and higher pay for the poor, therefore as they make more, they can be taxed [I]slightly[/I] higher because they make more, and since they make more, they spend more.

[QUOTE=J!NX;30987820]What about the rich born ones?[/QUOTE] uhh... there parents worked hard for it? yeah thats it there parents worked hard for it so junior deserves his own house [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30988096]how about raise taxes for the poor ... then raise taxes even more for the wealthy then put that money into important things that will improve the livelihood of everyone, like healthcare. Taxes in the US are the lowest they've been for decades, for everyone.[/QUOTE] but its to high!!!!! especially for [del]us[/del] rich folks!!!!! nobodys entitled to our money despite the fact that we wouldnt have all the money without the people working below us and the people buying our services and products and the fact that we set the prices within our company and recieve vastly more money in relation to the importance and amount of work we do compared to others and the fact that we pay taxes to the government in order to keep society running and safe and that its their job to protect life and liberty, and that society is a community where we need to help each other my taxes should benefit me and me alone!!!!! it shouldnt help any of those lazy bums!!!!! even if most of them are actually the working poor, and most of the rest cant find jobs because of the shit market ITS NOT FAIR I WANT MY MONEY YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO WAAAAH u cant force me to be generous!!!! ill give money to charities on my own!!!!! sure u wont see me do it and if i do it will be to 'christian mothers for less homos' but thats not the point

Need to tax the mega-rich folk. Stop giving them tax breaks.

[QUOTE=nikomo;30987744]How about Americans get together, take all the stupid people, and dump them into the ocean?[/QUOTE] Who's gonna throw the americans in :downs:

[QUOTE=J!NX;30988179]Or use that tax money for education, as well as better working conditions and higher pay for the poor, therefore as they make more, they can be taxed [I]slightly[/I] higher because they make more, and since they make more, they spend more.[/QUOTE] Yes, this too. Minimum wage in the US is a joke

Incredible amounts of stupid

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;30990322]Incredible amounts of stupid[/QUOTE] What else is there to expect from a republican senator?

[QUOTE=Jimmyshimmy;30986422]Also poor people wouldn't be poor if they just worked harder :downs:[/QUOTE] You think I like being stuck in the pits of the economy? I take the only job I could get as a janitor, my father and mother both work full jobs as a Special Education Services receptionist and a manager of a couple of state parks. We all work as hard as we can, but that doesn't mean we're going to get paid more. It does mean that we are less likely to be dumped on the street because our bosses know that we're good workers. You should try getting stuck in a town like I'm in and say "if I work harder I can get out of here". You get stuck because of everything life throws at you. Sorry to give you an overdose of reality, but there it is.

[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;30990825]You think I like being stuck in the pits of the economy? I take the only job I could get as a janitor, my father and mother both work full jobs as a Special Education Services receptionist and a manager of a couple of state parks. We all work as hard as we can, but that doesn't mean we're going to get paid more. It does mean that we are less likely to be dumped on the street because our bosses know that we're good workers. You should try getting stuck in a town like I'm in and say "if I work harder I can get out of here". You get stuck because of everything life throws at you. Sorry to give you an overdose of reality, but there it is.[/QUOTE] he was being sarcastic

i hate spoiled rich people like this who have no idea what it's like even being poor, and go about concluding shit like this. jesus christ though, it's like these people are stuck in the middle ages somewhat, what the fuck?

[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;30990825]You think I like being stuck in the pits of the economy? I take the only job I could get as a janitor, my father and mother both work full jobs as a Special Education Services receptionist and a manager of a couple of state parks. We all work as hard as we can, but that doesn't mean we're going to get paid more. It does mean that we are less likely to be dumped on the street because our bosses know that we're good workers. You should try getting stuck in a town like I'm in and say "if I work harder I can get out of here". You get stuck because of everything life throws at you. Sorry to give you an overdose of reality, but there it is.[/QUOTE] :downs: = sarcasm

And this answers the question: "Why do the poor always get poorer and the rich always richer?"

[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;30991396]And this answers the question: "Why do the poor always get poorer and the rich always richer?"[/QUOTE] Cause rrerrpublicans

I just never understand how people can think like this how can they pay [b]more[/b] taxes when they have no money to begin with? It just makes no fucking sense. it's like yelling at the sand on a beach to grow grass

[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;30991396]And this answers the question: "Why do the poor always get poorer and the rich always richer?"[/QUOTE] The rich are getting richer, but the poor are getting richer at a faster rate than the rich. This is to say poor people usually make into the middle class. Where the confusion comes from is that there are statistics that show that the amount of low income earners has increases and that the overall wealth of the rich has increased, and the issue with this statistic is that it assumes that we are looking at the same group of people in that the same group of rich people have accumulated more wealth, and that the same poor people are still poor and that middle class people are becoming poor. There are plenty of studies that follow individuals and their income overtime, and they all indicate that a large sum of low income earners more up to middle class, and that the state of being rich changes quite a bit which is to say that the rich people of 2000 are a much different group than the rich people of 2010. The studies also find that a portion of middle class earners move up to the high income earning class, which I think is a good thing as long as they don't get there through fraud. So what accounts for the increase in low income earners in the previous studies? New people entering the work force, which is made mostly up of teenagers. Does this mean poverty isn't a problem? No not at all, but it's good to understand that this cliche quote isn't true.

You know what happened the last time someone tried that? The French Revolution happened. [img]http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/367/36729.jpg[/img] Sen. Hatch is the new Louis XVI.

[QUOTE=Pepin;30991946]The rich are getting richer, but the poor are getting richer at a faster rate than the rich. This is to say poor people usually make into the middle class. Where the confusion comes from is that there are statistics that show that the amount of low income earners has increases and that the overall wealth of the rich has increased, and the issue with this statistic is that it assumes that we are looking at the same group of people in that the same group of rich people have accumulated more wealth, and that the same poor people are still poor and that middle class people are becoming poor. There are plenty of studies that follow individuals and their income overtime, and they all indicate that a large sum of low income earners more up to middle class, and that the state of being rich changes quite a bit which is to say that the rich people of 2000 are a much different group than the rich people of 2010. The studies also find that a portion of middle class earners move up to the high income earning class, which I think is a good thing as long as they don't get there through fraud. So what accounts for the increase in low income earners in the previous studies? New people entering the work force, which is made mostly up of teenagers. Does this mean poverty isn't a problem? No not at all, but it's good to understand that this cliche quote isn't true.[/QUOTE] Source?

[QUOTE=Pepin;30991946]The rich are getting richer, but the poor are getting richer at a faster rate than the rich.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm going to have to request some actual statistics backing this up.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30990954]he was being sarcastic[/QUOTE] Whoops, sorry for ranting then. I've always had a bad sarcasm detection module.

Why do the automotive companies pay 2% tax while the small guy in the factory pays 40%? That's terror. Terror built into the system.

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[QUOTE=certified;30993910]Why do the automotive companies pay 2% tax while the small guy in the factory pays 40%? That's terror. Terror built into the system.[/QUOTE]I quoted him accidentally in another thread here earlier in the week.

[QUOTE=certified;30993910]Why do the automotive companies pay 2% tax while the small guy in the factory pays 40%? That's terror. Terror built into the system.[/QUOTE] no you did the quote wrong [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] this angers me immensely

Stupid poor people take a lone pay your taxes.

this guy has the right idea, poor people are basically subhuman and don't deserve to live, let alone own possesions

[QUOTE=Contag;30992761]Source?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;30992857]Yeah I'm going to have to request some actual statistics backing this up.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/Documents/incomemobilitystudy03-08revise.pdf]Here is a recent Treasury study[/url]. The main points according to them are [quote]Income mobility of individuals was considerable in the U.S. economy during the 1996 through 2005 period with roughly half of taxpayers who began in the bottom quintile moving up to a higher income group within 10 years. About 55 percent of taxpayers moved to a different income quintile within 10 years. Among those with the very highest incomes in 1996--the top 1/100 of one percent--only 25 percent remained in the group in 2005. Moreover, the median real income of these taxpayers declined over the study period. The degree of mobility among income groups is unchanged from the prior decade (1987 through 1996). Economic growth resulted in rising incomes for most taxpayers over the study period: Median real incomes of all taxpayers increased by 24 percent after adjusting for inflation; Real incomes of two-thirds of all taxpayers increased over this period; and Median incomes of those initially in the lower income groups increased more than the median incomes of those initially in the high income groups. [/quote] There are more studies dealing with this, but this one should be sufficient. Again the study doesn't mean that poverty isn't an issue. And to clarify my previous remark, I when I say that the poor are getting richer at a faster rate than the rich, I mean that poor people are moving up in income classes at a much faster rate than the the rich.

[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;30996081]Stupid poor people take a [B]lone[/B] pay your taxes.[/QUOTE] :psyfuck:

[QUOTE=Pepin;30991946]Where the confusion comes from is that there are statistics that show that the amount of low income earners has increases and that the overall wealth of the rich has increased, and the issue with this statistic is that it assumes that we are looking at the same group of people in that the same group of rich people have accumulated more wealth, and that the same poor people are still poor and that middle class people are becoming poor.[/QUOTE] What is getting me here is your report definitely agrees with you on that point, but then drops this graph, which seems to suggest that while the shift is indeed upward across quintiles and exponentially moreso at the low end, the rich aren't actually all that mutable: [IMG]http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/67/wutk.png[/IMG] Then you look at how income quintiles are redefined over time and notice the lowest set has increased ~14% from 2000 to 2009 while the fourth lept up ~22% and the top 5% changed ~25% in that same period, and it makes this seem like the quintiles were just poorly defined (or rather, are by definition not a good metric for this type of study.) Of course the lowest class which was redefined the least saw more upward movement than the highest, which was redefined substantially greater. Hell, you could interpret the quintile widening as evidence of the "rich get richer" cliche- it wouldn't be a stretch to disregard that entire damn report in the same way one disregards the vaccine/autism statistics which rely on redefinitions to work. Even the report makes mention of statistical flubs and the need for further study. I'd say it's an example of government statistics at their finest- a bunch of dudes threw some shit together and said "hey somebody else look at this we think it might be worth looking into in a way we can't." Alone it says nothing.

[QUOTE=Pepin;30997337][url=http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/Documents/incomemobilitystudy03-08revise.pdf]Here is a recent Treasury study[/url]. The main points according to them are There are more studies dealing with this, but this one should be sufficient. Again the study doesn't mean that poverty isn't an issue. And to clarify my previous remark, I when I say that the poor are getting richer at a faster rate than the rich, I mean that poor people are moving up in income classes at a much faster rate than the the rich.[/QUOTE] Isn't that because the rich have nowhere to go but down?