Britain's Mail on Sunday backs 'Remain' in EU referendum - Polidicks

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50549481]what is this supposed to prove?[/QUOTE] Nothing?

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50549463]Before the EU referendum vote thread is pruned... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ivLbT5n.png[/IMG] The only currently banned users to have voted chose remain... [B]coincidence?[/B] The only moderator to vote who is voting in the Referendum is voting to leave. However, both sides have the support of one moderator.[/QUOTE] [B]Yes.[/B] That line doesn't work when news stations use it, I have no idea why you think it would work when you do.

what the hell is going on what is wrong with this forum this is like the psychotic rampage sheep thread all over again

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50549502]what the hell is going on what is wrong with this forum this is like the psychotic rampage sheep thread all over again[/QUOTE] nah you just made a stupid post

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50549518]nah you just made a stupid post[/QUOTE] You mean I made a post showing the poll results with some TOTALLY SERIOUS OBSERVATIONS which some touchy remainers have decided they are offended by because they're little crybabies (even though I voted for Remain in the poll myself).

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50549502]what the hell is going on what is wrong with this forum this is like the psychotic rampage sheep thread all over again[/QUOTE] I have been lurking on FP for a long time now and I've seen this subtle shift. Only just started posting because opposition to anything on the left gets shutdown or just isn't mentioned.

Only 2 posts in shitpost mode ala [QUOTE] 'considering a majority of the argument for leaving has been 'teh immigrunts' [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50549463]Before the EU referendum vote thread is pruned... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ivLbT5n.png[/IMG] The only currently banned users to have voted chose remain... coincidence? The only moderator to vote who is voting in the Referendum is voting to leave. However, both sides have the support of one moderator.[/QUOTE] Isn't Braydns Australian?

The best problem with the whole EU referendum is on both sides the is massive amounts of scare mongering. No one person can say what exactly will happen because no one fully knows. Whatever happens there will be change. What has been said is either way we will suffer so im taking the chance on leaving and if we have an economic hit I would rather have it now while I am young then we will recover like we have before and will do many times again. With people who think of the immigration as an issue, well my views on immigration if we leave it may slow down the process of immigration yet I would rather have that then the current free eu travel movement which makes it too easy for people to live in different countries in both directions ( people coming in and out ) EU trade, this is another massive scare mongering problem I see. The EU will stop trading with us is utter BS as many countries trade with the EU, you have to ask yourself if you owned a company in the EU would you want to stop trading with a company in the UK and make less money just for the EU I dont believe any company will, and if they tax us on it well you know exactly what will happen, we will go elsewhere and so will they but will you trust it to be to the same quality. Their is so many issues but please make up your mind and these are my opinions of what I believe will happen. I say leave and try to make it on our own and try to become stronger

[QUOTE=Seriousshakey;50553823]The best problem with the whole EU referendum is on both sides the is massive amounts of scare mongering. No one person can say what exactly will happen because no one fully knows. Whatever happens there will be change. What has been said is either way we will suffer so im taking the chance on leaving and if we have an economic hit I would rather have it now while I am young then we will recover like we have before and will do many times again. With people who think of the immigration as an issue, well my views on immigration if we leave it may slow down the process of immigration yet I would rather have that then the current free eu travel movement which makes it too easy for people to live in different countries in both directions ( people coming in and out ) EU trade, this is another massive scare mongering problem I see. The EU will stop trading with us is utter BS as many countries trade with the EU, you have to ask yourself if you owned a company in the EU would you want to stop trading with a company in the UK and make less money just for the EU I dont believe any company will, and if they tax us on it well you know exactly what will happen, we will go elsewhere and so will they but will you trust it to be to the same quality. Their is so many issues but please make up your mind and these are my opinions of what I believe will happen. I say leave and try to make it on our own and try to become stronger[/QUOTE] If you have the choice of buying something from Germany with no import tax, vs Britain with import tax your EU business would be stupid to buy from Britain.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50549690]Only 2 posts in shitpost mode ala[/QUOTE] 583 posts in and you still haven't turned the mode off.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50553954]583 posts in and you still haven't turned the mode off.[/QUOTE] Very creative. I won't bother looking at any of your other posts. I assume that your stance is similar to the ones citing immigration as the only reason given to leave.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50553994]Very creative. I won't bother looking at any of your other posts. I assume that your stance is similar to the ones citing immigration as the only reason given to leave.[/QUOTE] all the fucking evidence shows that leaving the EU is a retarded decision just get over yourself and let educated men who understand more than you steer your country in a better, brighter direction already

[QUOTE=Melnek;50554077]all the fucking evidence shows that leaving the EU is a retarded decision just get over yourself and let educated men who understand more than you steer your country in a better, brighter direction already[/QUOTE] lol, there is conjecture but no solid evidence. In any case this wasn't about debating whether or not we should leave the EU, it was about how people put their point across. Educated people tend to read the post and understand it's content and then reply with factual answers and not just sweeping unproven claims in a calm non confrontational, insulting or aggressive manner, unlike your good self.

[QUOTE=Melnek;50554077]all the fucking evidence shows that leaving the EU is a retarded decision just get over yourself and let educated men who understand more than you steer your country in a better, brighter direction already[/QUOTE] I would recommend watching "[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jp07w/select-committees-business-views-on-eu-referendum-committee"]Business Views on EU Referendum Committee[/URL]" bbc parliament iplayer. It's much better getting the facts from business which know what they're dealing with each day.

I especially like the posts that seem emphatic that the UK's economy is reliant on the EU economy which is fucked up.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50554298]I especially like the posts that seem emphatic that the UK's economy is reliant on the EU economy which is fucked up.[/QUOTE] You know who wanted economic isolation?!? Adolf Hitler! Only joking I wouldn't do that to you. Whats wrong with being reliant on the neighbouring economy? Trade is a good thing. We get cheap, high quality goods. Thats a good thing surely?

Are there any videos that show the pros/cons of each side without trying to convince people to vote a certain way? So far i haven't been able to find much.

[QUOTE=nightlord;50554610]Are there any videos that show the pros/cons of each side without trying to convince people to vote a certain way? So far i haven't been able to find much.[/QUOTE] I've posted a link just a few posts above in which both views on leave and remain talk about the effects on business. It gives a good balance stance on both sides to get their views across without all the political trash talk. It's a bit long but worth a listen if you get the time.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50554307]You know who wanted economic isolation?!? Adolf Hitler! Only joking I wouldn't do that to you. Whats wrong with being reliant on the neighbouring economy? Trade is a good thing. We get cheap, high quality goods. Thats a good thing surely?[/QUOTE] Hitler wanted Geographical and Economical dominance in Europe. The reasons why I personally would like to see the UK leave the EU are that if we left I do not believe we would suffer economically. I believe the opposite, that the UK would prosper unlike the EU, as we are doing now. Back in 1980 the EU acounted for 30% of the world's economy, today it is about 17%. [url]https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-shrunk-percentage-world-economy/[/url] The EU's economy is not good right now and the UK could do better trading with countries that have far better growth. In fact I think eventually that the dated concept of the EU will fail in time to come. I don't believe that the EU is particularly democratic in it's present form and that reform is not something that they seem comfortable with, hence why Cameron came away virtually empty handed when he tried. I am not against genuine asylum seekers or immigration but I do not think that open borders are particularly good for national security. More passports are checked at Britain’s borders than at all of the other EU states put together. The EU seems like a faceless Federal government to me and I don't particularly like the regulations that constantly come from there. The trouble is that it regulates things that have no conceivable cross-border relevance, like opening bank accounts, the intervals of bin collections and the power of household appliances. This is just meddling for meddling's sake. The almost willful haemorrhaging of everyones money. It just appears too big to manage properly. I am not even remotely swayed by anything that has been said in the media since the furore began. For me the negatives far outweigh the positives. In fact I struggle to see many positives. On a purely personal level In the last 6 years I have been to European countries on 23 seperate occasions, so I don't think a Brexit will be 100% advantageous. Off to Malta on the 1st JULY so hope the pound holds up against the euro.

First off I'd like to say good post [QUOTE=karlosfandango;50554743] The reasons why I personally would like to see the UK leave the EU are that if we left I do not believe we would suffer economically. Back in 1980 the EU acounted for 30% of the world's economy, today it is about 17%. The EU's economy is not good right now and the UK could do better trading with countries that have far better growth. In fact I think eventually that the dated concept of the EU will fail in time to come.[/quote] We are free to trade with other countries just not free to have free trade. The countries who have grown causing the EU to account for a lower percent tend to have far lower standards for workers and far fewer regulations. Free trade with them would result in us getting spammed with low quality products and our own companies being out competed. The TTIP is looking to have free trade with america and it faces these issues, america has much more lenient regulations meaning their products are cheaper but lower quality, it also carries with it a bunch of poisonous terms where companies can sue governments for future loss of profits and rules about government funding which would damage our state run stuff (NHS for example) [quote] I don't believe that the EU is particularly democratic in it's present form and that reform is not something that they seem comfortable with, hence why Cameron came away virtually empty handed when he tried. [/quote] Ye I think the EU needs reform. I believe we can do it so while on the inside. France, UK and Germany are trying to weaken the influence of the EU commission. It's going to happen sometime. [quote] I am not against genuine asylum seekers or immigration but I do not think that open borders are particularly good for national security. More passports are checked at Britain’s borders than at all of the other EU states put together. [/quote] Asylum seekers and EU migrants are separate. EU migrants are overall good for our economy, none EU migrants are overall not so good for our economy. Being in EU opens us to EU migrants not none EU migrants. [quote] The EU seems like a faceless Federal government to me [/quote] I understand about the faceless federal government thing. Especially when it feels like the bigger something is the less you are represented. With you there [quote] and I don't particularly like the regulations that constantly come from there . The trouble is that it regulates things that have no conceivable cross-border relevance, like opening bank accounts, the intervals of bin collections and the power of household appliances. [/quote] If we wish to free trade with europe then we'll be bound by the regulations anyway. Those regulations are to ensure quality for products and/or prevent a race to the bottom kind of scenario (where a country sheds any regulation or quality control to become more competitive to the overall disadvantage of everyone). [quote]The almost willful hemorrhaging of everyones money. It just appears too big to manage properly. I am not even remotely swayed by anything that has been said in the media since the furore began. For me the negatives outweigh the positives.[/QUOTE] That is fair enough

[QUOTE=nightlord;50554610]Are there any videos that show the pros/cons of each side without trying to convince people to vote a certain way? So far i haven't been able to find much.[/QUOTE] Literally none. Everyone is biased in a certain way.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;50554792]Literally none. Everyone is biased in a certain way.[/QUOTE] That's a biased opinion.

I keep reading "brexit" as "brazil", which always confuses me when I see it in context of "why do you want to support brazil?" Either way, I'm only leaning towards remain mainly because of import taxes for stuff from shops in the EU.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50554781]Ye I think the EU needs reform. I believe we can do it so while on the inside. France, UK and Germany are trying to weaken the influence of the EU commission. It's going to happen sometime.[/QUOTE] I've honestly never understood the argument that we need to leave the EU to fix it. We have quite a bit of power within the EU right now, seeing as we're one of the few countries with a strong economy we have clout. And our ability to veto damn near anything is pretty useful. We managed to get into the EU without having to actually take on most of the requirements of being an EU member; we aren't participating in the Eurozone. We aren't in the Schengen Area so we actually do have a lot of control over our borders. And we're pretty fucking sovereign considering we're part of the EU, it's hard to estimate exactly how much influence the EU has over our laws but it is consistently vastly overstated by the Leave campaign. Leaving is going to still tie us to the EU. We need their trade and they need ours. So we'll obviously renegotiate trade deals. But like fuck are we going to get the deals the Leave campaign keep insisting we'll get. We'll be forced to compromise, and take on some of the things we "escaped" the EU over. For all intents and purposes, we'll be an EU member with no capacity to veto potentially damaging policies. (also the fear of a "EU army" is totally unfounded and is so unlikely to happen that I think we'll find hard evidence of Cameron actually fucking a pig first)