• Poll: Democrats want someone new for 2020
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[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51564477]Not to mention Hillary will [b]never[/b] get another candidate like Trump to run against. How fucking unlikable do you have to be to lose to [I]Donald fucking Trump[/I].[/QUOTE] To be fair, she did win the popularity contest.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51564587]To be fair, she did win the popularity contest.[/QUOTE] The Dems would've won the entire election by a landslide even if they ran a wet paper towel instead
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51564312] Plus it'd bring me great happiness to watch the GOP be forced to attack an Iraq War veteran and National Guard Major who decided to surrender her post as an elected official to serve her country on the front lines.[/QUOTE] Like some Republicans give a shit about veterans like they say they do. The fact that they're willing to let trump's pow comment about mccain slide is insane.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51564298]i wouldn't be surprised, it was her turn after all[/QUOTE] But it wasn't? Did you already forget the leaked emails???
[QUOTE=milktree;51564601]Like some Republicans give a shit about veterans like they say they do. The fact that they're willing to let trump's pow comment about mccain slide is insane.[/QUOTE] There's a conspiracy among Vets, specially from Nam, that McCain was able to survive his time in captivity because he sang like a bird. They also don't hold him in high regard because he picked that dumbfuck Palin and gave Obama an easy win.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51564553]If they run Hillary again, I will be giving up on the Democratic Party entirely, because they clearly aren't listening to anyone living in the real world anymore. At that point, fuck it, I'll start my own liberal party and run for office [I]personally[/I]. My platform will be anti-trust breakups of large corporations, purging corruption in Washington at all levels, leveling taxes, fixing the healthcare system for real this time not some Romneycare-but-credit-Obama bullshit, and preventing global warming from taking out half our population. Secondary priorities will be demilitarization of the police, dismantling the surveillance-state apparatus, a New Deal-like jobs program with a target of zero unemployment, and undoing all the damage the GOP has done after 2017.[/QUOTE] Can you include investments in the booming green tech pls?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51564312]Tulsi Gabbard. After this election, I'm wary that a young minority Hindu woman would get slaughtered[/QUOTE] Why? Just because Trump won 46% of the popular vote doesn't mean 46% of voters are racists (or whatever). If she isn't rabidly anti-gun and doesn't have a mountain of questionable history she'll be more than able to compete, given Hillary was able to compete despite those factors and the retarded seemingly manifest destiny mindset of the Hillary campaign. This election only showed how out of touch and down right stupid some people of power in the DNC were.
[QUOTE=Judas;51564552]tusli gabbard isn't eligible to run for president, sadly[/QUOTE] she is eligible for president
[QUOTE=Tudd;51564331]If they run her in 2020 she will fucking lose and the Democratic party will probably internally combust. The DNC needs to rebuild and realign it's efforts, not throw in the candidate that lost to Donald Trump.[/QUOTE] Point out the part where I disagreed with this
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51564312]Tulsi Gabbard. After this election, I'm wary that a young minority Hindu woman would get slaughtered, and we have yet to see her handle herself in debates or the public eye too much, but she'd be a fantastic face for a new progressive Democratic party. Plus it'd bring me great happiness to watch the GOP be forced to attack an Iraq War veteran and National Guard Major who decided to surrender her post as an elected official to serve her country on the front lines. Especially after the embarrassment of attacking McCain over his POW status. Principled, young, successful, and clearly dedicated to the country. But people would just freak out that she didn't give her oath of office over the Bible and crucify her anyways.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;MnmieZa0jnk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnmieZa0jnk[/video] I think we'd have a small, VERY loud minority of people screaming about her race/religion. But those won't be the democrat and swing voters, especially if she can tap into the same sort of energy Trump did when they find out Trump isn't going to bring their jobs back or do shit for them. [sp]also man now I know what 90s kids feel like. I miss old bernie but I wasnt even around[/sp]
[QUOTE=1239the;51564543]Nobody's suggested Elizabeth Warren yet? She's fucking perfect.[/QUOTE] Please
[QUOTE=Overhauser;51564661]Can you include investments in the booming green tech pls?[/QUOTE] I mean, that's kind of included with "keep global warming from killing us all", but sure. Rather than normal investments, I'd probably imitate the system used to kick the American semiconductor industry into overdrive in the 70s and 80s, where the DoD guaranteed that they would buy up any unused production capacity, making it almost a guaranteed investment, because you had a guaranteed customer (the program was successful, and the DoD ended up not even having to buy much capacity because the private market grew along with it). Solar cells and batteries could easily go to the military - the ability to operate off the grid, without fuel supply lines, is an obvious military advantage. Not sure what we'd do with wind turbines and other non-portable systems, but worst case we just form a new federal-owned corporation along the lines of the TVA and transfer them.
The Democrats need to pick someone that will uphold liberal ideas, but is more moderate, doesn't play identity politics, and appeals to the working class. I'd really like to see Bernie run, but we do need some fresh blood.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51564553]If they run Hillary again, I will be giving up on the Democratic Party entirely, because they clearly aren't listening to anyone living in the real world anymore. At that point, fuck it, I'll start my own liberal party and run for office [I]personally[/I]. My platform will be anti-trust breakups of large corporations, purging corruption in Washington at all levels, leveling taxes, fixing the healthcare system for real this time not some Romneycare-but-credit-Obama bullshit, and preventing global warming from taking out half our population. Secondary priorities will be demilitarization of the police, dismantling the surveillance-state apparatus, a New Deal-like jobs program with a target of zero unemployment, and undoing all the damage the GOP has done after 2017.[/QUOTE] Those are not going to happen due to identify politics. Both sides are responsible for the irrationality. Wanna change things? You would be more effective creating your own political philosophy that transcends left and right. Marx never held office but though his works changed how things were done
[QUOTE=Tudd;51564290]That fact that about a 1/3rd of respondents think she is a viable option for 2020 is insane.[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, [URL="http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/is-it-too-early-for-2016-polls/"]I found an article which tracked super early polling like this through multiple election cycles.[/URL] Romney didn't appear on early 2016 polling (taken in 2013), but McCain polled at 7% for the 2012 cycle (taken in 2009). In 1997, Elizabeth Dole managed poll at 12.8% for the 2000 election after her husband's run in 1996. On the Democratic side, Al Gore polled at 15.3% for 2008 and John Kerry at 15.2% in the same year (2005). But the closest parallel to the current situation was Al Gore for 2004, who polled at 35.3%. My hot take from these numbers is that Democrats are less concerned with electoral success and more open to giving second chances to their favorite candidates than Republicans. More importantly, however, both Clinton in 2016 and Gore in 2000 were robbed the election by winning the popular vote but losing the electoral, and I think that factors more into people's post-election mindsets than anything else. If Romney had won the popular vote in 2012 but lost the election, he'd probably have been close to, or at the top of Republican's lists in the immediate aftermath.
[QUOTE=Judas;51564552]tusli gabbard isn't eligible to run for president, sadly[/QUOTE] She is. She was born on American territory[American Samoa], just like how McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, so I would think she's eligible. She also meets the age requirements so she's a perfect candidate. [editline]21st December 2016[/editline] Honestly, if the Democratic party doesn't push Tulsi or a Bernie-style candidate, I will flat out refuse to vote.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51564951]She is. She was born on American territory[American Samoa], just like how McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, so I would think she's eligible. She also meets the age requirements so she's a perfect candidate. [editline]21st December 2016[/editline] Honestly, if the Democratic party doesn't push Tulsi or a Bernie-style candidate, I will flat out refuse to vote.[/QUOTE] Already pushing Tim Kane. Nancy Pelosi won, Expect if the Dem party isn't hijacked like Trump did in the primaries Trump will win 2020.
Shocker. I hope the party heads are listening.
Tulsi Gabbard could be an interesting VP pick.
[QUOTE=Cone;51564365]i'd like to see Tammy Duckworth at some point, purely for the novelty of the GOP trying to attack the first ever woman, Asian-American, double-amputee, Iraq War veteran, [URL="http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100322-tammy-duckworth-left.jpg"]flag-themed[/URL] president [I]without[/I] mentioning any of these things it would be like advanced minesweeper[/QUOTE] Don't worry, they will say she is unamerican for some reason, or they will resort to the classic "I've forgotten your parents came from Thailand or China to help Washington in the Revolutionary war" or some bullshit. Edit: I know you said they would have to avoid mentioning those things, but lets say Duckworth wins the primaries, do you think Trump would try to avoid mocking her race, gender, or her history in the military? While Duckworth's opponent committed political suicide, Trump has theoretically committed DOZENS of political suicides and still won the electoral vote. But if they for some reason went with Hillary again, I will give up on the Democrat party and hope that they would become extinct by 2024, along with the Republican party.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51564951]She is. She was born on American territory[American Samoa], just like how McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, so I would think she's eligible. She also meets the age requirements so she's a perfect candidate. [editline]21st December 2016[/editline] Honestly, if the Democratic party doesn't push Tulsi or a Bernie-style candidate, I will flat out refuse to vote.[/QUOTE] Does her American mother give her citizenship?
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51565740]Does her American mother give her citizenship?[/QUOTE] Her father was a naturalized citizen from age 1 and her mother is American born and Tusli herself was born on American Samoa. I believe this gives her full naturalized citizenship rights and the right to run for the presidency.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51566011]Her father was a naturalized citizen from age 1 and her mother is American born and Tusli herself was born on American Samoa. I believe this gives her full naturalized citizenship rights and the right to run for the presidency.[/QUOTE] if ted cruz could then she can too Its only an issue if you're a non-white democrat apparently seeing the number of people calling for Obama's birth certificate like it'd matter despite being pro-cruz.
Didn't Joe Biden say he's open to running in 2020?
BRING BACK BERNIE, BITCHES Bernie bro for lyfe. [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Guriosity;51564789]Those are not going to happen due to identify politics. Both sides are responsible for the irrationality. Wanna change things? You would be more effective creating your own political philosophy that transcends left and right. Marx never held office but though his works changed how things are done I'm working on a project for such a thing. PM me if you wanna help. My view is the root cause of corruption is the same cause of bigotry. Both sides promote further intolerance. Thus. Both are wrong The other way to change things is not hold office but through business.[/QUOTE] You have no idea about corruption, the root cause of corruption is that a candidate that is not willing to risk his neck to "help" his friends wont be useful enough for said friends to keep or put in power. All political power is bought through favours.
Rosie O'Donnell 2020, just for Trump.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51564657]There's a conspiracy among Vets, specially from Nam, that McCain was able to survive his time in captivity because he sang like a bird. [b]They also don't hold him in high regard because he picked that dumbfuck Palin and gave Obama an easy win.[/b][/QUOTE] Most of the conservatives I've talked to during that election cycle fucking [I]loved[/I] Palin, though.
Please Bernie
I still want to see Tulsi Gabbard run for office. [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51566589]Didn't Joe Biden say he's open to running in 2020?[/QUOTE] He did.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51564290]That fact that about a 1/3rd of respondents think she is a viable option for 2020 is insane.[/QUOTE] CNN
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