• Fox News Ignorantly Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art
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How about this? [img]http://blog.appointmentcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mona-lisa.jpg[/img] [img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/vincent-van-gogh-paintings-from-saint-remy-2.jpg[/img] You literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about. oh nooo, someone has something i think is weird, wahhh. It IS art. Art funding makes up less than 1% of your tax dollar. Military funding makes up 40%. Which do you think is more important to cut?
[QUOTE=amute;29991219] Android, you have the soul of an android phone. If you can't recognise art as being anything other then what we are as [I]humans [/I]you should go back to your video games and ignore society. And try not to talk.[/QUOTE] lol if you can't justify it, you can tell me
Your idea of "pouring tax money" is so fucking over dramatised. If you don't, at all, understand ANYTHING about art, then you shouldn't be discussing the importance of art. [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Android phone;29991465]lol if you can't justify it, you can tell me[/QUOTE] lol if ur a shithead conservative, you can tell me
[QUOTE=amute;29991427]How about this? [img]http://blog.appointmentcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mona-lisa.jpg[/img] [img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/vincent-van-gogh-paintings-from-saint-remy-2.jpg[/img] You literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about. oh nooo, someone has something i think is weird, wahhh. It IS art. Art funding makes up less than 1% of your tax dollar. Military funding makes up 40%. Which do you think is more important to cut?[/QUOTE] I guess I missed the part where both of those were funded by my tax money let's see here, we could have some really nice museums where we could go to learn about stuff we can just google, ooor we can have the tools to defend our country which is more important, hmm... [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=amute;29991471]Your idea of "pouring tax money" is so fucking over dramatised. If you don't, at all, understand ANYTHING about art, then you shouldn't be discussing the importance of art.[/QUOTE] I don't understand the importance of funding art with tax money when there are already millions being spent on it individually every year [QUOTE=amute;29991471] lol if ur a shithead conservative, you can tell me[/QUOTE] someone's getting mad, eh I like how you automatically label me as a "shithead conservative" when I say I don't like my tax money being spent on art
They completely ignore the fact that interactive art, funded by taxpayers money, has been in art galleries for a decade or two. Any of those could be classified as a very simple game. They are fighting on the losing side of a battle that has already been resolved.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991486]I guess I missed the part where both of those were funded by my tax money let's see here, we could have some really nice museums where we could go to learn about stuff we can just google, ooor we can have the tools to defend our country which is more important, hmm... [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] I don't understand the importance of funding art with tax money when there are already millions being spent on it individually every year someone's getting mad, eh I like how you automatically label me as a "shithead conservative" when I say I don't like my tax money being spent on art[/QUOTE] [img]http://loveforlife.com.au/files/strawman2.jpg[/img]
how so [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] and shit, which part, I'm arguing three different arguments with two different people
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991486] I like how you automatically label me as a "shithead conservative" when I say I don't like my tax money being spent on art[/QUOTE] Not only does art bring in large numbers of tourists and betters a country's image, it also provides a lot of jobs that wouldn't exist otherwise. Jobs in advertising, security, architecture and art itself. This means that less benefits need to be given out and crime rates drop.
[citation needed] I would like to see a graph showing "artists in compton vs. crime rate in compton"
[QUOTE=Android phone;29990229]tbh I don't think any 'art' should get federal funding why the fuck are you spending my money on shitty little statues nobody cares about instead of using it for something good [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] like the multi-trillion debt[/QUOTE] This grant system was in existence long before we had the national debt that we have now. They're simply pushing for better use of this grant money by giving it to video game designers who can come up with educational content that can be used in public schools, etc. This isn't making things worse at all, so you should target your criticism elsewhere. [quote=Wiki]The stated mission of the National Education Association is "to advocate for education professionals and to unite our members and the nation to fulfill the promise of public education to prepare every student to succeed in a diverse and interdependent world,"[/quote] Yeah, sounds like a giant waste of money.
pay attention to the difference in backdrops they gave each of the interviewees.
oh shit, this is quickly turning into a flamewar.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991655][citation needed] I would like to see a graph showing "artists in compton vs. crime rate in compton"[/QUOTE] I would like to see a graph showing "Military jobs in compton vs crime rate in compton" goes both ways bud.
Really dumb article. Watch the segment. The guy that's blasting the whole thing isn't even connected to Fox News, and the apparently even more ignorant journalist that wrote this article ignores that fact completely. Ambrozy at least knows what he's talking about, and in my opinion won the argument if you watch it anyway. It's really just bandwagoning to jump on this as "Fox News" attacking anything at all here. They gave the topic and let two unconnected people comment on it. Unfortunately one of the two was just incredibly stupid.
[QUOTE=animephreak135;29991674]This grant system was in existence long before we had the national debt that we have now. They're simply pushing for better use of this grant money by giving it to video game designers who can come up with educational content that can be used in public schools, etc. This isn't making things worse at all, so you should target your criticism elsewhere.[/QUOTE] I know, I've already said I don't mind my taxes being spent on educational things but art should not be funded by tax money art is such a subjective topic anyways, shit like 'piss christ' might appeal to 5% or 10% of US citizens but everybody helped fund it, the whole idea that I shouldn't get any say in what my tax money is being spent on/it's being spent on something I don't want to fund is stupid, the people I'm arguing against have the same [i]exact[/i] views on military funding but don't want to acknowledge it difference is the military is necessary while incredibly subjective/controversial art is not
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991486]I guess I missed the part where both of those were funded by my tax money[/quote] They're funded by Italian and Dutch tax payers. Your tax money isn't more important then them. [quote]let's see here, we could have some really nice museums where we could go to learn about stuff we can just google, ooor we can have the tools to defend our country[/quote] Defend it from who? Poor farmers in the middle east? [quote]which is more important, hmm...[/quote] art [quote]I don't understand the importance of funding art with tax money when there are already millions being spent on it individually every year[/quote] I don't understand the importance of funding firefighters with tax money, when there are already millions being spent on it by donations every year. [quote]I like how you automatically label me as a "shithead conservative" when I say I don't like my tax money being spent on art[/QUOTE] Here's how I know you're a conservative: First off, you're whining about tax dollars when it comes to art, and don't do it when it's something more useless, like war. Second, Less than 1% of your tax dollar goes to art funding. Over 40% goes to Military defence spending. And you look at that, and immediately think the 1% is a greater burden than the 40%. You also think art is useless and are more interested in creating a bigger military. So yes, that's how I know you're a conservative. Because that right there is their manifesto.
"hey guys why should we learn about culture when there are TERRORISTS ON THE LOOSE!!!"
i think y'all guys are pretty much done on the defense part
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991844] difference is the military is necessary[/QUOTE] Do you really need 2000 of ONE type of fighter plane at the cost of 1.3 trillion dollars.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991844]I know, I've already said I don't mind my taxes being spent on educational things but art should not be funded by tax money art is such a subjective topic anyways, shit like 'piss christ' might appeal to 5% or 10% of US citizens but everybody helped fund it, the whole idea that I shouldn't get any say in what my tax money is being spent on/it's being spent on something I don't want to fund is stupid, the people I'm arguing against have the same [i]exact[/i] views on military funding but don't want to acknowledge it difference is the military is necessary while incredibly subjective/controversial art is not[/QUOTE] A 600 billion dollar military is not necessary when we have no enemies using 21st century weaponry, and [B]EVERYONE[/B] in the US was for the Iraq war, and [B]EVERYONE[/B] in the US supports the wars in the middle east/sarcasm. Not everyone in the US supports it's wars. I would rather have a 1% art budget that is used for educational purposes, then a 40% defense budget that funds wars barely anyone supports, and makes weaponry that will be outdated in replaced in 10-20 years with it barely being used.
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[QUOTE=amute;29991852]They're funded by Italian and Dutch tax payers. Your tax money isn't more important then them. [/quote] I'd be pissed if I were dutch or italian [quote]Defend it from who? Poor farmers in the middle east?[/quote] yes, those same poor farmers that murdered 3000 civilians almost 10 years ago [quote]art[/quote] how so [quote]I don't understand the importance of funding firefighters with tax money, when there are already millions being spent on it by donations every year.[/quote] firefighters save lives art gives you a hobby [quote]Here's how I know you're a conservative: [quote]First off, you're whining about tax dollars when it comes to art, and don't do it when it's something more useless, like war.[/quote] oh, I didn't know defensive wars were more useless than the piss christ, thanks for pointing that out [quote]Second, Less than 1% of your tax dollar goes to art funding. Over 40% goes to Military defence spending. And you look at that, and immediately think the 1% is a greater burden than the 40%. You also think art is useless and are more interested in creating a bigger military.[/quote] when did I say I thought 1% was more than 40% and when did I say I was interested in creating a bigger military, sounds like you're either having trouble reading or having trouble keeping all the bullshit from just spewing out [quote]So yes, that's how I know you're a conservative. Because that right there is their manifesto.[/QUOTE] spend less on art and more on the military encompasses all of conservative ideology? :downsbravo:
[QUOTE=amute;29991852]They're funded by Italian and Dutch tax payers. Your tax money isn't more important then them. Defend it from who? Poor farmers in the middle east? art I don't understand the importance of funding firefighters with tax money, when there are already millions being spent on it by donations every year. Here's how I know you're a conservative: First off, you're whining about tax dollars when it comes to art, and don't do it when it's something more useless, like war. Second, Less than 1% of your tax dollar goes to art funding. Over 40% goes to Military defence spending. And you look at that, and immediately think the 1% is a greater burden than the 40%. You also think art is useless and are more interested in creating a bigger military. So yes, that's how I know you're a conservative. Because that right there is their manifesto.[/QUOTE]They get about $155 million per year, it's not even piss in the ocean of the US federal budget.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;29991926]A 600 billion dollar military is not necessary when we have no enemies using 21st century weaponry, and [B]EVERYONE[/B] in the US was for the Iraq war, and [B]EVERYONE[/B] in the US supports the wars in the middle east/sarcasm. Not everyone in the US supports it's wars. I would rather have a 1% art budget that is used for educational purposes, then a 40% defense budget that funds wars barely anyone supports, and makes weaponry that will be outdated in replaced in 10-20 years with it barely being used.[/QUOTE] if 100% of the tax money going to art was actually going to educational art, and not politically/religiously fueled art or abstract art or [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1005689-Interior-Semiotics-OR-Hipster-girl-squirts-rotten-spaghettios-out-her-vagina.]this[/url] then I'm a-ok with it [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] I'm off to play new vegas, bbl
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991988]THE MIDDLE EAST IS TERORISTS[/QUOTE] so you took one piece of obscure art and are now saying THAT'S the reason why it's a waste. lol defensive wars why go outside to a museum with people when we can google that shit :downs: [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Android phone;29992045]if 100% of the tax money going to art was actually going to educational art, and not politically/religiously fueled art or abstract art or [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1005689-Interior-Semiotics-OR-Hipster-girl-squirts-rotten-spaghettios-out-her-vagina.]this[/url] then I'm a-ok with it [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] I'm off to play new vegas, bbl[/QUOTE] [b] the whole point of the funding is for interactive art which is educational holy shit[/b]
You know, Android phone, you should be thankful your country funds arts, I WISH my government funded arts, and you should acknowledge that much of your nation's triumphs in arts and other walks of life are thanks to government funding. I understand your concern about the budget crisis but, does it really make a difference to cut arts funding? why can't the government cut military funding? homeland security funding? Art is way more productive and fullfilling than any of that.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29992045]if 100% of the tax money going to art was actually going to educational art, and not politically/religiously fueled art or abstract art or [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1005689-Interior-Semiotics-OR-Hipster-girl-squirts-rotten-spaghettios-out-her-vagina.]this[/url] then I'm a-ok with it [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] I'm off to play new vegas, bbl[/QUOTE] I am pretty damn sure that NEA did not fund that hipster spaghetti-o's thing.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;29989452]Seriously can't Fox news be done for this? Isn't there a journalism standards body?[/QUOTE] The United States doesn't enforce journalistic integrity.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991988]yes, those same poor farmers that murdered 3000 civilians almost 10 years ago[/QUOTE] The sheer amount of civilians and soldiers killed in both the iraq and afganistan wars vastly outweigh 9/11.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29991486] let's see here, we could have some really nice museums where we could go to learn about stuff we can just google, ooor we can have the tools to defend our country which is more important, hmm... [/QUOTE] If we cut the military budget in half we would still be spending more then twice what any other nation spends on its military.
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