• Fox News Ignorantly Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art
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[QUOTE=Android phone;29990229]tbh I don't think any 'art' should get federal funding why the fuck are you spending my money on shitty little statues nobody cares about instead of using it for something good [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] like the multi-trillion debt[/QUOTE] stop posting
If you cut a fraction of the Defense Budget and put it towards education you could fund every school in the country quite handily.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29990349]but then it's a tool of education and I'm all for that what I do NOT want to see my tax money being spent on are ugly 'abstract' pieces of shit or [url=http://www.coloradopeakpolitics.com/diary/86/harry-reid-attacks-meanspirited-republicans-for-cutting-cowboy-poetry-funding]cowboy poetry[/url][/QUOTE] yeah that article doesn't read like it has an agenda at all
[QUOTE=Android phone;29990229]tbh I don't think any 'art' should get federal funding why the fuck are you spending my money on shitty little statues nobody cares about instead of using it for something good [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] like the multi-trillion debt[/QUOTE] This is more like a general response to all your posts/attitude: Sorry, what qualification do you have to decide what is and isn't art? Why is your definition more important than the person who made it and how are you any different from Fox News if you declare something isn't art because you can't understand it? If you see art as being "a hobby" then you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the budget for it. Also, as far as not getting federal funding goes, doesn't the encouragement of cultural development (however an individual sees that) fall under the jurisdiction of helping your people? If you create an American identity through art worth having and you've done one of the greatest things you can for your people.
When I read the thread title I was expecting this to be the dumbest thing I've read all week. Then I find out that tax money is involved.
[QUOTE=amute;29991120]Journalism is only legally regulated in parts of Europe and in the most extreme cases in America. We're a self-regulating concept, the agencies we fall under regulate us just as much as we regulate ourselves. For example, I wrote a piece on a house fire near me for the local newspaper, and I made the mistake of adding hearsay as to what happened. Stupid mistake, but the newspaper came out and told me I was being bias and sensationalist, I had to edit it out. But I learned from that and my next story, I avoided it. There are different levels of regulation of bias. But when you have all the levels bias, it doesn't work. That's Fox News' issue. In all honesty, it's about being a good journalist. Fox news is not a good journalism institution, it's sensationalist. The idea is for the people to regulate their media, but they don't. Critical thinking is dead, and many sensationalist news outlets like Fox take advantage of that. Now for standard journalism bodies? Europe has a few that kinda seem like standards. They're not too powerful though. But a lot of European Journalism is better in terms of bias then elsewhere in the world. Save Al Jazzera[/QUOTE] I'm not asking for alot when it comes to "standards" all i'm saying is that surely there should be a point where someone steps in to say "You've deliberately mis-represented the event". I understand that freedom of press shouldn't be tampered with but surely there's a limit?
[QUOTE=KingKombat;29992084]so you took one piece of obscure art and are now saying THAT'S the reason why it's a waste. lol defensive wars why go outside to a museum with people when we can google that shit :downs: [/QUOTE] it's a waste because most of the funding coming from the program is going to abstract/controversial art that doesn't contribute anything to culture or whatever justification they have [QUOTE=KingKombat;29992084] [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [b] the whole point of the funding is for interactive art which is educational holy shit[/b][/QUOTE] I've said [i]twice[/i] that I support educational shit funded by this, but go ahead and keep ignoring that part [QUOTE=barttool;29992289]You know, Android phone, you should be thankful your country funds arts, I WISH my government funded arts, and you should acknowledge that much of your nation's triumphs in arts and other walks of life are thanks to government funding. I understand your concern about the budget crisis but, does it really make a difference to cut arts funding? why can't the government cut military funding? homeland security funding? Art is way more productive and fullfilling than any of that.[/QUOTE] we're currently closing up two wars, indirectly supporting the revolutions in libya and egypt, there's political turmoil all over the middle east and north korea is a constant threat do not fucking say we aren't using the military and we won't need the military soon [QUOTE=Megafanx13;29992921]I am pretty damn sure that NEA did not fund that hipster spaghetti-o's thing.[/QUOTE] that was just a jab at "abstract" art [QUOTE=Lambeth;29993177]If you cut a fraction of the Defense Budget and put it towards education you could fund every school in the country quite handily.[/QUOTE] can you show me where I said we absolutely shouldn't cut anything from the defense budget and put it in things that aren't art or are you just making things up [QUOTE=Zeke129;29993209]yeah that article doesn't read like it has an agenda at all[/QUOTE] I figured you'd be smart enough to realize [i]"holy shit the government is using my tax money to fund cowboy poetry"[/i] on your own [QUOTE=Denicide;29993343]This is more like a general response to all your posts/attitude: Sorry, what qualification do you have to decide what is and isn't art? Why is your definition more important than the person who made it and how are you any different from Fox News if you declare something isn't art because you can't understand it? If you see art as being "a hobby" then you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the budget for it. Also, as far as not getting federal funding goes, doesn't the encouragement of cultural development (however an individual sees that) fall under the jurisdiction of helping your people? If you create an American identity through art worth having and you've done one of the greatest things you can for your people.[/QUOTE] who should be able to decide that my money should go to something I am 100% opposed to? a shitload of people in this thread feel the same way about military spending, I've already explained the difference between the two. I'm 99% sure we've already established that America is its own thing and we really don't need to fund any more art with tax money when there are so many other ways to get the money to do cultural art projects that DON'T involve forcefully taking money from people that don't want to see it go towards them
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;29989839]Yeah, let's put our tax dollars/pounds into the maintenance of military aeroplanes that we barely need![/QUOTE] lets put it into games!! that we don't need!!
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994007] I figured you'd be smart enough to realize [i]"holy shit the government is using my tax money to fund cowboy poetry"[/i] on your own[/QUOTE] It was a poetry festival open to everyone, with a cowboy theme It's a community attraction Yes it should be able to be funded
I don't understand all the hate for Fox News. There biased, but not as much as many liberal organisations. Look at some of what MSNBC says.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29994203']I don't understand all the hate for Fox News. There biased, but not as much as many liberal organisations. Look at some of what MSNBC says.[/QUOTE] The bias isn't why they are hated We hate them because they sponsor the Tea Party and GOP and no news organization should be financially linked with a partisan political organization since you probably won't believe me: [img]http://i.imgur.com/hjECK.png[/img]
[QUOTE=animephreak135;29991674] Yeah, sounds like a giant waste of money.[/QUOTE] there's a difference between saying you're going to spend it on educational stuff and actually spending it on educational stuff 'the symmetry project' was given $25,000 from the funds the nea got from the stimulus bill guess what it is? [img]http://gyazo.com/b8badf248d562622bae3b1e499e75afe.png[/img] it's a 'play' that consists of people pretend-fucking that's it tell me one benefit from that, please, wrack your brain to find a single good thing that comes from it [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;29994173]It was a poetry festival open to everyone, with a cowboy theme It's a community attraction Yes it should be able to be funded[/QUOTE] what's your justification for someone off in maine or idaho or hawaii or alaska or florida having to pay for it in fact, why was it funded by the federal government and not the state government?
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994321] what's your justification for someone off in maine or idaho or hawaii or alaska or florida having to pay for it in fact, why was it funded by the federal government and not the state government?[/QUOTE] Art exhibits, festivals, museums, so forth in those states can apply for federal funding as well [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Android phone;29994321] tell me one benefit from that, please, wrack your brain to find a single good thing that comes from it [/QUOTE] you are in no position to decide artistic merit
We should just cover Fox News in the Repulsion Gel. Not only will it make them bounce away, but according to Cave's lab boys, one of the main elements in the gel is a lively one that does NOT like the human skeleton.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;29994384]Art exhibits, festivals, museums, so forth in those states can apply for federal funding as well [/QUOTE] which is dumb and has no justification as far as I can see [QUOTE=Zeke129;29994384] [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] you are in no position to decide artistic merit[/QUOTE] 1. why not 2. I was asking animephreak what "artistic merits" it had, you can tell me too if you can actually find any reason why it should have gotten $25,000 in taxpayer money [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [url]http://gyazo.com/505f8b2131bfaa5abcfc4f4757263903.png[/url] nsfw can anyone tell me how much "artistic merit" this has? I think I could squeeze a good $30,000 out of the federal government for it
I can't believe that guy was a Music Major in college. I always thought you'd get turned down from music school if you had no soul.
The society puts its tax dollars into a pool to benefit society. If society wants art, it can ask for money out of the pool to create art, just as if others in the society want missiles and tanks, they can ask for those too. I see no unfairness or "dumbness" in this idea. Further, the electronic entertainment industry is one of the largest and most profitable industries in the world, especially in the United States. There are tens of thousands of high school kids out there with artistic talent and a nack for programming that will never step foot in a game company's office because they cannot afford to follow that path, just like other types of artists who can't afford to chase their dreams. Potential Steven Kings and Steven Spielbergs end up as teachers or middle management when they could be driving American culture forward. Giving these kids the chance to show the world their potential may not be profitable now, but if it results in even one person reaching success, money follows. Tax them then if you want to; I'm sure the billions of revenue the next hit movie, game or book makes will more than cover the taxes needed to fund the program.
let me just get this out of the way since everyone arguing with me seems to have an incredibly short attention span [h2]I support tax money going to education whether it's schools or educational art[/h2] I do not support tax money going to art that is politically motivated, shocking, disagreeable to the majority of the taxpayers that fund it, or made as a statement; if it isn't universally beneficial or beneficial to the majority then the minority shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else, that doesn't make any sense at all
Does it really need saying that a piece of art, whether or not YOU personally think it's meaningless, has inherent meaning through it's creation and is therefor deserving of support and encouragement? There isn't a damn thing more important than the protection and growth of culture and thought, and any argument that pragmatic spending should be accomplished through cutting artistic, educational, or literary funding clearly stems from the mind of an ignorant moron.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994638]let me just get this out of the way since everyone arguing with me seems to have an incredibly short attention span[/QUOTE] You're the only one that's normal. Everyone else is wrong. [img]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Health/Images/paranoid-eye-is-watching-you.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994465] 1. why not 2. I was asking animephreak what "artistic merits" it had, you can tell me too if you can actually find any reason why it should have gotten $25,000 in taxpayer money[/quote] I don't know anything about the exhibit so I can't begin to explain the deeper meaning behind it but you're in the same position as I am Neither one of us has the right to say what is and isn't artistic so we should both just let the artist make that distinction for themselves. [QUOTE=Android phone;29994638] I do not support tax money going to art that is politically motivated, shocking, disagreeable to the majority of the taxpayers that fund it, or made as a statement; if it isn't universally beneficial or beneficial to the majority then the minority shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else, that doesn't make any sense at all[/QUOTE] Evolution is disagreeable to the majority of American taxpayers so by your logic funding shouldn't go to biology education either. If art is disagreeable it's likely pretty damn good art in my opinion
this idea of being artful is being hipster will cause the destruction of art and i'll be very sad to see it go fucking hypocrites
[QUOTE=thisispain;29994737]this idea of being artful is being hipster will cause the destruction of art and i'll be very sad to see it go fucking hypocrites[/QUOTE] destruction of art will become the new art, people will classify it as hipster, and the old style of actual art will become art again
dear government, I would like to apply for a $50,000 grant that will go to the furthering of our culture. I would like to replicate 9/11 in incredible detail on a 1/4 scale, and will use any money left over on novelty snowglobes depicting the event that I will then throw through the windows of those who lost a family member in the attack. I believe that those who say that it's "tasteless" or "disrespectful" are just ignorant morons with no appreciation for [i]true[/i] art.
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[QUOTE=Android phone;29994772]dear government, I would like to apply for a $50,000 grant that will go to the furthering of our culture. I would like to replicate 9/11 in incredible detail on a 1/4 scale, and will use any money left over on novelty snowglobes depicting the event that I will then throw through the windows of those who lost a family member in the attack. I believe that those who say that it's "tasteless" or "disrespectful" are just ignorant morons with no appreciation for [i]true[/i] art.[/QUOTE] That includes vandalism, which is a crime Terrible example from a terrible poster
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29994757]destruction of art will become the new art, people will classify it as hipster, and the old style of actual art will become art again[/QUOTE] fucking garden gnomes
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994772]dear government, I would like to apply for a $50,000 grant that will go to the furthering of our culture. I would like to replicate 9/11 in incredible detail on a 1/4 scale, and will use any money left over on novelty snowglobes depicting the event that I will then throw through the windows of those who lost a family member in the attack. I believe that those who say that it's "tasteless" or "disrespectful" are just ignorant morons with no appreciation for [i]true[/i] art.[/QUOTE] "Did you hear what that guy just said? He said that Hitler had the right idea!" There's a comic out there that does a good job of explaining what you just did. In a sense, you have reduced the entire frontier of opportunities in art down to 9/11 snow globes and vandalism. You have ceased making the point you intended to make. It looks desperate, really.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994772]dear government, I would like to apply for a $50,000 grant that will go to the furthering of our culture. I would like to replicate 9/11 in incredible detail on a 1/4 scale, and will use any money left over on novelty snowglobes depicting the event that I will then throw through the windows of those who lost a family member in the attack. I believe that those who say that it's "tasteless" or "disrespectful" are just ignorant morons with no appreciation for [i]true[/i] art.[/QUOTE] dear android phone, this is the government. please stop doing this before we have to enact a law to prevent you from doing so
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