• Fox News Ignorantly Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art
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[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995285]All creations that are intended as art are art regardless of personal opinions. The NEA is about opportunity- a person with artistic talent may create art that the public enjoys, resulting in major success. A person who has little talent may produce work that does not become successful. Thisispain is debating that the lesser of the two works, in his opinion, has less artistic merrit, which is not true; both are art and deserve opportunity.[/QUOTE] No he never said that at all
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995285]Thisispain is debating that the lesser of the two works, in his opinion, has less artistic merrit, which is not true; both are art and deserve opportunity.[/QUOTE] no i'm debating that one is shite, and the other one is interesting and therefor deserves monetary backing
where did he say that
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995247]tell me again why we're funding 'maybes' maybe if we spend every cent of next year's tax money on the defense budget we'll achieve permanent world peace! :havlat: [b]ALL HANDS MAN THE BATTLESTATIONS[/b] :havlat:[/QUOTE] Or maybe we should defund it because the world might solve its own problems. This logic goes both ways, you know. [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;29995376]no i'm debating that one is shite, and the other one is interesting and therefor deserves monetary backing[/QUOTE] This is the problem. You judge one as having inferior merit because it is of inferior quality. This is all subjective. They both deserve an opportunity to see what society thinks.
it's like a band you see imagine one's radiohead, and the other one's coldplay sure they are both artistic, but which one do you really think would use the money to do something cool? coldplay would probably just waste it on legal fees for when they rip off another song
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995393]Or maybe we should defund it because the world might solve its own problems. This logic goes both ways, you know. [/QUOTE] so maybe we should defund the nea because it'll all inevitably be worthless shit [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995393]They both deserve an opportunity to see what society thinks.[/QUOTE] agreed but in this case pisschrist was funded by the nea, NOT "society", the 'artist' would be hard fucking pressed to find $5 in donations let alone $15,000 if it had to ask individuals
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995443]so maybe we should defund the nea because it'll all inevitably be worthless shit[/QUOTE] everything will be worthless we're all gonna die and this ball of shit will eventually crash into the sun and the universe will either become an impossibly cold barren waste land or crash into a singularity
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995431]it's like a band you see imagine one's radiohead, and the other one's coldplay sure they are both artistic, but which one do you really think would use the money to do something cool? coldplay would probably just waste it on legal fees for when they rip off another song[/QUOTE] I don't listen to music much so I have little idea what those two bands are like. But here's what I know: If both had applied for federal funding when they were still playing in garages, I would have given both a fair shot by funding them equally. The fact that they are well known enough that a guy like me knows both their names, even if I can't recognize their music, speaks for their success. Their income pays the taxes that pay for the NEA, and thus a cultural cycle ensues.
Ofcourse Fox News would say that. They are all just retards who need something to report on besides the US and US haters. And terrorists.
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995504]everything will be worthless we're all gonna die and this ball of shit will eventually crash into the sun and the universe will either become an impossibly cold barren waste land or crash into a singularity[/QUOTE] but most things won't be worthless shit from the day of their inception until the day of their destruction pisschrist is a great example of one such thing [sp]in before "hurr ur a wortless shit from the day of yourre inception lol!"[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995525]I don't listen to music much so I have little idea what those two bands are like.[/QUOTE] aw dude i feel sorry for you radiohead is like sex if sex was super sad music with electronic flourishes [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995525]But here's what I know: If both had applied for federal funding when they were still playing in garages, I would have given both a fair shot by funding them equally.[/QUOTE] you should note that the NEA's budget is incredibly limited.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995443]so maybe we should defund the nea because it'll all inevitably be worthless shit [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] agreed but in this case pisschrist was funded by the nea, NOT "society", the 'artist' would be hard fucking pressed to find $5 in donations let alone $15,000 if it had to ask individuals[/QUOTE] Maybe the NEA should be defunded as you say. Maybe the military should be defunded as I say. We are both part of society so part of the public money goes to each. The NEA is funded by the society and is part of the society. You probably wouldn't find donations from people like yourself, but you'd find it from people like me.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995556] pisschrist is a great example of one such thing [/QUOTE] you do know the money didn't actually go to pisschrist right? it went to fund the gallery that it was located in.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995525]I don't listen to music much so I have little idea what those two bands are like. But here's what I know: If both had applied for federal funding when they were still playing in garages, I would have given both a fair shot by funding them equally. The fact that they are well known enough that a guy like me knows both their names, even if I can't recognize their music, speaks for their success. Their income pays the taxes that pay for the NEA, and thus a cultural cycle ensues.[/QUOTE] but neither of them needed federal money to launch their careers, they had to use [b]ACTUAL TALENT[/b] and they had to make things that people [b]ACTUALLY LIKED[/b] enough so that they could make money off of them the nea just says "yeah that seems like a pretty original/controversial idea, let's throw tens of thousands of tax dollars at it and see if it sticks"
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995560]aw dude i feel sorry for you radiohead is like sex if sex was super sad music with electronic flourishes you should note that the NEA's budget is incredibly limited.[/QUOTE] A limited budget is no reason for bias.
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995597]you do know the money didn't actually go to pisschrist right? it went to fund the gallery that it was located in.[/QUOTE] can you grab me a source? doing too much shit to invest too heavily in this right now [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995615]A limited budget is no reason for bias.[/QUOTE] a limited budget should increase bias
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995615]A limited budget is no reason for bias.[/QUOTE] well there's bias within the art institution itself. art criticism is a major part of art and a reason why you remember mozart and not salieri.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995606]but neither of them needed federal money to launch their careers, they had to use [b]ACTUAL TALENT[/b] and they had to make things that people [b]ACTUALLY LIKED[/b] enough so that they could make money off of them the nea just says "yeah that seems like a pretty original/controversial idea, let's throw tens of thousands of tax dollars at it and see if it sticks"[/QUOTE] You seem to be implying that the only people applying for NEA money are people who are doomed to fail. This is like implying that the only people who need scholarships are people who can't smart their way into Harvard. The world doesn't work like that.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995623]can you grab me a source? doing too much shit to invest too heavily in this right now [/QUOTE] considering how angry you were pretending to be you should already know what the controversy was even about. if you don't give a shit enough to even fact check your own bullshit then why should i even care. what a joke this is
no, I'm making a factual statement: I think that all the people that are actually getting NEA money are totally worthless it's more like I'd be implying that the only people who are actually [i]getting[/i] the scholarships are dumb as shit and will drop out within the first week at my expense [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;29995654]considering how angry you were pretending to be you should already know what the controversy was even about. if you don't give a shit enough to even fact check your own bullshit then why should i even care. what a joke this is[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you're bullshitting and lied about the project not getting any money or realized you're wrong and are trying to bluff your way out of it which is it
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995640]well there's bias within the art institution itself. art criticism is a major part of art and a reason why you remember mozart and not salieri.[/QUOTE] Nobody could have predicted Mozart's historical impact before he made that impact. Before, he was just as deserving of a chance as any other musician.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995678] I'm guessing you're bullshitting and lied about the project not getting any money or realized you're wrong and are trying to bluff your way out of it which is it[/QUOTE] the gallery was given the money which went to the artist for piss christ, this is called an art commission. you're making it sound like as if the federal government saw piss christ and went YEAH FUCK GIVE THIS SHIT SOME MONEY which is complete deceit and the reason why i'm calling you in this way is because i'm 100% certain you don't even know the situation yourself yet love to have an opinion about it
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995146] why does the NEA's definition of artistic excellence override my definition of artistic excellence and force my money to go where I don't want it to[/QUOTE] The same reason I'm forced to pay for war.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995696]Nobody could have predicted Mozart's historical impact before he made that impact. Before, he was just as deserving of a chance as any other musician.[/QUOTE] yeah i agree, but there is an art institution and it's the reason why certain things get money and certain things don't i'd love to give every single starting artist the money to continue improving their skills but it's not feasible
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995623]can you grab me a source? doing too much shit to invest too heavily in this right now [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] a limited budget should increase bias[/QUOTE] Why should it increase bias? If funds are limited, dumping all the money into the tried and true methods would simply result in the same end. Look at what happened with Microsoft. A kid from a wealthy family drops out of college to pursue an industry (home computing) that had yet to be invented. What if he had not been from a wealthy family? Would the United States give up the chance to create the world's richest man and his company just because what he wanted to do was different?
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995696]Nobody could have predicted Mozart's historical impact before he made that impact. Before, he was just as deserving of a chance as any other musician.[/QUOTE] and who funded him again? or oh wait what's this he wasn't motivated by money or spreading his ideals at all, was he? uh oh, there goes that argument [QUOTE=thisispain;29995752]the gallery was given the money which went to the artist for piss christ, this is called an art commission. you're making it sound like as if the federal government saw piss christ and went YEAH FUCK GIVE THIS SHIT SOME MONEY which is complete deceit and the reason why i'm calling you in this way is because i'm 100% certain you don't even know the situation yourself yet love to have an opinion about it[/QUOTE] is it that hard to find evidence to back up YOUR claims? he won a $15,000 award for it that was paid by the nea [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;29995793]Why should it increase bias? If funds are limited, dumping all the money into the tried and true methods would simply result in the same end. Look at what happened with Microsoft. A kid from a wealthy family drops out of college to pursue an industry (home computing) that had yet to be invented. What if he had not been from a wealthy family? Would the United States give up the chance to create the world's richest man and his company just because what he wanted to do was different?[/QUOTE] what if he was poor and got a federal grant and went on to create one entire personal computer before his industry never took off and it became a complete waste of tax money seriously, why do you keep using what-ifs like they have any place in an argument
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995802] is it that hard to find evidence to back up YOUR claims? he won a $15,000 award for it that was paid by the nea[/QUOTE] i'm looking at a couple of pages of evidence but i'm not gonna post them lol i'm not even bluffing i could post a picture of the tabs but i'm not gonna do the work that you should have done before you started running your mouth
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995827]i'm looking at a couple of pages of evidence but i'm not gonna post them lol i'm not even bluffing i could post a picture of the tabs but i'm not gonna do the work that you should have done before you started running your mouth[/QUOTE] you know who you sound like? [img]http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/D/DR/DRE/DREAMINGOOKAMI/1304292266_6727_full.jpeg[/img] "fact: the NEA did not give the creator of 'piss christ' $15,000. fact: I, thisispain, am not a shitposter."
[QUOTE=Political Gamer;29989368] [b]Fox News Ignorantly Attacks[/b] NEA for Classifying Games as Art [release][b]In a display of manipulative journalism from beginning to end[/b], Fox News attempts to debate whether or not artistic videogames should receive federal funding. To its credit, Fox News brought in editor-in-chief of Icrontic Brian Ambrozy, [b]who actually knew what he was talking about[/b]. Fox pitted him against radio talk-show host Neal Asbury, [b]whose intention was obviously to ignore the facts and spout rhetoric.[/b] [b]Not to its credit, the very first line of the Fox News segment set a poor tone that would continue through to the end.[/b] "Should the videogame Call of Duty get federal funding," the host asks, while showing violent clips of the game. Anyone that had done their basic research on the NEA's guidelines would know that Call of Duty isn't anywhere remotely close to getting federal funding. [b]This line is either ignorantly or intentionally manipulative[/b], which in either case is extremely disappointing coming from one of the nation's most popular news outlets. [/release][/QUOTE] I dislike Fox News as much as the rest of you guys but is it really necessary to sink to their level with stuff like this?
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