• Fox News Ignorantly Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art
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[QUOTE=thisispain;29995771]yeah i agree, but there is an art institution and it's the reason why certain things get money and certain things don't i'd love to give every single starting artist the money to continue improving their skills but it's not feasible[/QUOTE] Which is unfortunate. You see, I'm debating on a hypothetical level here, and by the fact that you have agreed with me means that we're on the same page now. I do realize that dividing a small amount of money int a smaller and smaller share is not feasible, but I also know that achieving equality is a universal ideal. The best approach is a compromise.
[QUOTE=Quq;29995858]I dislike Fox News as much as the rest of you guys but is it really necessary to sink to their level with stuff like this?[/QUOTE] did you not expect hypocrisy from facepunch? hahaha
[QUOTE=Quq;29995858]I dislike Fox News as much as the rest of you guys but is it really necessary to sink to their level with stuff like this?[/QUOTE] One is a news article, the other is a callout of a terrible news article there is no hypocrisy
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995802]and who funded him again? or oh wait what's this he wasn't motivated by money or spreading his ideals at all, was he? uh oh, there goes that argument is it that hard to find evidence to back up YOUR claims? he won a $15,000 award for it that was paid by the nea [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] what if he was poor and got a federal grant and went on to create one entire personal computer before his industry never took off and it became a complete waste of tax money seriously, why do you keep using what-ifs like they have any place in an argument[/QUOTE] What ifs have EVERY place in an argument. It would be irresponsible at best for the government to place money into public programs without examining every possible outcome of their actions. It's the same logic that justifies a military. Edit: This is where I'm going to go ahead and leave this discussion. I feel that the points that I have made can stand on their own without me or future argument.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995842] "fact: the NEA did not give the creator of 'piss christ' $15,000. fact: I, thisispain, am not a shitposter."[/QUOTE] all this time spent saying nothing could be spent googling piss christ
[QUOTE=thisispain;29995947]all this time spent saying nothing could be spent googling piss christ[/QUOTE] yeah, you should probably get to it
[QUOTE=Android phone;29996243]yeah, you should probably get to it[/QUOTE] already did, in fact i'm reading on some other grants he'd also got for doing some work involving the KKK
he sounds like he will definitely push the culture of the united states into a whole new era of peace and understanding we should just give him all of our tax money, think of the potential
[QUOTE=Android phone;29994321]there's a difference between saying you're going to spend it on educational stuff and actually spending it on educational stuff 'the symmetry project' was given $25,000 from the funds the nea got from the stimulus bill guess what it is? [img]http://gyazo.com/b8badf248d562622bae3b1e499e75afe.png[/img] it's a 'play' that consists of people pretend-fucking that's it tell me one benefit from that, please, wrack your brain to find a single good thing that comes from it [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] what's your justification for someone off in maine or idaho or hawaii or alaska or florida having to pay for it in fact, why was it funded by the federal government and not the state government?[/QUOTE] Right, let's use past mistakes that the NEA have made in order to form an argument against them using their funding for educational games. Come on, bullshit art, or educational games that they can still pass as art. How can you be against it if you look at it from that perspective? I'm in no way against them switching over from the "pretend fucking" art to educational video game art. Let's give them their chance, because they're going to get this grant money either way. :EDIT: Instead of saying down with the NEA, let's say down with the NEA's old grant and "art" system, and up with their new idea about videogames. If you're going to criticize them, criticize them for what they usually fund, and encourage their funding of educational game art. Try to convince them to switch over purely to this new funding system, because you and I can both agree that it's a lot better and serves a real purpose.
[QUOTE=animephreak135;29996437]Right, let's use past mistakes that the NEA have made in order to form an argument against them using their funding for educational games. Come on, bullshit art, or educational games that they can still pass as art. How can you be against it if you look at it from that perspective? I'm in no way against them switching over from the "pretend fucking" art to educational video game art. Let's give them their chance, because they're going to get this grant money either way.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Android phone;29994638]let me just get this out of the way since everyone arguing with me seems to have an incredibly short attention span [h2]I support tax money going to education whether it's schools or educational art[/h2] I do not support tax money going to art that is politically motivated, shocking, disagreeable to the majority of the taxpayers that fund it, or made as a statement; if it isn't universally beneficial or beneficial to the majority then the minority shouldn't be able to force it on everyone else, that doesn't make any sense at all[/QUOTE] apparently you can't read since that post is literally less than 10 posts away from the one you quoted so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, all I ask is that you shut the fuck up if you're going to try to put words in my mouth
[QUOTE=Android phone;29996472]apparently you can't read since that post is literally less than 10 posts away from the one you quoted so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, [b]all I ask is that you shut the fuck up if you're going to try to put words in my mouth[/b][/QUOTE] That's no way to go about having a rational debate with someone. I didn't see that post, so that's my fault. You could have pointed that post out to me without being so argumentative.
completely ignoring posts and accusing the other poster of believing something they don't is no way to go about having a rational debate either but that isn't stopping you
[QUOTE='[sluggo];29994203']I don't understand all the hate for Fox News. There biased, but not as much as many liberal organisations. Look at some of what MSNBC says.[/QUOTE] Can you put your head in a microwave pls?
[QUOTE=Android phone;29992045]if 100% of the tax money going to art was actually going to educational art, and not politically/religiously fueled art or abstract art or [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1005689-Interior-Semiotics-OR-Hipster-girl-squirts-rotten-spaghettios-out-her-vagina.]this[/url] then I'm a-ok with it [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] I'm off to play new vegas, bbl[/QUOTE] If all my tax payer money that was spent on the military, went too defending our country, and not buying and funding weapons we don't need, and invading countries we don't need to invade, then I'd be A-ok with it.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;29993960]I'm not asking for alot when it comes to "standards" all i'm saying is that surely there should be a point where someone steps in to say "You've deliberately mis-represented the event". I understand that freedom of press shouldn't be tampered with but surely there's a limit?[/QUOTE] There is a limit. The only really people who truly understand what press is, are actual journalists. Of course you have people who have knowledge of it, but they don't have the opportunity to really see how we operate. If you're bias, sensationalistic, and/or outright lie - you are not press. It is NOT journalism, and therefore does not fall under freedom of press. It should not be considered or even mistaken as being press. t's a lot like Paparazzi, I don't consider them press. They are about as journalistic as Stormfront. Likewise with Fox News. There are limits, it takes people who understand these limits and stand up and challenge people who pass them. Removing press status when they stop being press isn't draconian as long as you have freedom of speech and such.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29996918]completely ignoring posts and accusing the other poster of believing something they don't is no way to go about having a rational debate either but that isn't stopping you[/QUOTE] Absolutely nothing that I said was inflammatory. I admitted to not seeing that post. I saw your reply to me, and replied back without looking at the [i]other[/i] conversations you've been having with other people in this thread. There's nothing wrong with that, and you can't use it to invalidate my standpoint, regardless of how hard you try. Plus, you know, I admitted to not seeing it. I could have been a dick, but I didn't take that route.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995623]can you grab me a source? doing too much shit to invest too heavily in this right now[/QUOTE] Lets do some critical thinking exercises, you need them. Jesus on the cross trinket: 2 dollars Urine: Free Clear container to put it in: 4 dollars The camera: Free (Since he owned one already) Enlarging the photo onto canvas(2 metre by 2 metre): 30 dollars So if this WAS indeed funded by tax payer money. It would cost you 38$... Evenly distributed among 500 Million people. I have dirt on my shoe that is worth more than what you paid. Now, the tax payer cost of ONE, exactly ONE nut and bolt piece for an F-22 jet, a completely useless jet, is around 50$ So, Androidphone, [B]Shut the FUCK up about the pisschrist.[/B]
[QUOTE=amute;29997413]Lets do some critical thinking exercises, you need them. Jesus on the cross trinket: 2 dollars Urine: Free Clear container to put it in: 4 dollars The camera: Free (Since he owned one already) Enlarging the photo onto canvas(2 metre by 2 metre): 30 dollars So if this WAS indeed funded by tax payer money. It would cost you 38$... Evenly distributed among 500 Million people. I have dirt on my shoe that is worth more than what you paid. Now, the tax payer cost of ONE, exactly ONE nut and bolt piece for an F-22 jet, a completely useless jet, is around 50$ So, Androidphone, [B]Shut the FUCK up about the pisschrist.[/B][/QUOTE] [quote]This artist received $15,000 for his work from the National Endowment for the Arts, through the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art.[/quote] [url]http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/361_r7.html[/url] gg
It was prize money. [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] even then, you personally paid 0.00003 for his award.
so it doesn't count? wow I know I'm at risk of overusing this but :downsbravo: you deserve it, you really do
Meanwhile, one F-22 costs 150 million dollars to build. Add that to the 65 billion dollar building programme. [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Android phone;29997852]so it doesn't count?[/QUOTE] It was a contest, you're acting like they just hand out the money left and right to whoever wants it. OH NO AN EMOTE whatever shall i dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I'm not sure if anything would get through to you even if I argued with you for thousands of years, you seem so irreversibly brain damaged I would honestly be surprised if you could put 2+2 together, I'm done here
Wow, I watched this video, that is fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29997931]I'm not sure if anything would get through to you even if I argued with you for thousands of years, you seem so irreversibly brain damaged I would honestly be surprised if you could put 2+2 together, I'm done here[/QUOTE] You're point being, from what I've gathered, spending 600 billion dollars of tax payer money on military weaponry is fine, but spending 1% of the tax budget on art programs is a disgusting waste of money if some of the money is given as a prize.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29997931]I'm not sure if anything would get through to you even if I argued with you for thousands of years, you seem so irreversibly brain damaged I would honestly be surprised if you could put 2+2 together, I'm done here[/QUOTE] Great refutation. [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] u shur showed me
[QUOTE=Android phone;29995678]no, I'm making a factual statement: I think that all the people that are actually getting NEA money are totally worthless it's more like I'd be implying that the only people who are actually [i]getting[/i] the scholarships are dumb as shit and will drop out within the first week at my expense [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] I'm guessing you're bullshitting and lied about the project not getting any money or realized you're wrong and are trying to bluff your way out of it which is it[/QUOTE] Wait, are you actually thinking that every art supported by the NEA is equivalent to pisschrist? I'm feeling very doubtful about that.
I love the money argument Android is using here. Maybe the art didn't deserve $25,000, but you do realize that is literally 1/280000000th of the total budget, right? In fact, if you took that once from the paycheck of everyone who works (let's say 100mil people work), they would lose the entirety of $0.000125.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;29998712]I love the money argument Android is using here. Maybe the art didn't deserve $25,000, but you do realize that is literally 1/280000000th of the total budget, right? In fact, if you took that once from the paycheck of everyone who works (let's say 100mil people work), they would lose the entirety of $0.000125.[/QUOTE] NO GODDAMNIT MY TAXES SHOULD ONLY GO TO THINGS THAT I LIKE [editline]22nd May 2011[/editline] WARGHBARLG PISSCHRIST IS NOT ART WARGHBARHG
America would be much better off if everyone who is associated with and likes Fox news was dropped from orbit without a parachute.
art is communism
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