Putin Seeks Ways to Cut Russia Off From the Internet
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[QUOTE=strazyyy;46024134]isn't he going to the usa though[/QUOTE]
isnt he the one with the hedgehog?
russias screwed
Fucking bastards.
If a major war broke out, I could see most countries doing something like this. The problem is that this is such a slippery slope (especially for Russia which has a history of censorship). Considering how they specified "foreign sponsored protests" as a situation when they would isolate the internet, I could see Putin labeling any protest as "foreign sponsored" as an excuse to censor whatever he wants.
Doesn't the US have the same capabilities, i.e. to isolate the US part of the Internet, during, for example, a massive attack on government and other facilities through viruses and other means?
[QUOTE=The fox;46024830]Doesn't the US have the same capabilities, i.e. to isolate the US part of the Internet, during, for example, a massive attack on government and other facilities through viruses and other means?[/QUOTE]
Separating the US part can probably cause a massive network failure, since 8 out of 13 tier 1's are located in US.
Well they already have vk instead of facebook, and rt.com instead of dailymail.co.uk. This might work.
Bad idea, Putin. If he does this his approval rating will fall from 117% to 105%
[QUOTE=Colliseemoe;46023938]but then who's going to ruin my dota 2 matches?[/QUOTE]
kurwa idz na mida pedale
[QUOTE=Colliseemoe;46023938]but then who's going to ruin my dota 2 matches?[/QUOTE]
You just suddenly made me agree with Putin's plan, go Putin!
[QUOTE=antianan;46024281]This is shit, what else i can say. And while i don't think that they are gonna cut us off (this will instantly cause massive protests or even riots), this network access centralization will make global internet censorship way more easier to manage. China is the closest example of how it can look like.
Luckily they still havehell tons of work to do to trully get this cut-off lever in their hands.[/QUOTE]
Except I got to say China had the luxury of building out the infrastructure with the great firewall in mind plus everything was pretty centralised because of chinas geography, but Russia doesn't have that luxury, its probably geographically impossible to connect some cities up through a centralized controlled system
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[QUOTE=Wormy;46024629]It's not like it will be down permanently, only during times of crisis.[/QUOTE]
Given that the continued existence of NATO gives Putin enough justification for a crisis, its basically just them wanting an internet off switch
[QUOTE=Sableye;46025095]Except I got to say China had the luxury of building out the infrastructure with the great firewall in mind plus everything was pretty centralised because of chinas geography, but Russia doesn't have that luxury, its probably geographically impossible to connect some cities up through a centralized controlled system
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This is what they want to build. A centralized system that can be easily unplugged from the rest of the net. They just need to centralize counrty's main network gates and keep them under control. This is a hard work since we have lots of tier 2 providers with their own channels, but it's far from being something impossible.
[QUOTE=antianan;46024677]This is kind of depressing, by the way. I mean, you won't even know that some player is russian if he or she is adequate enough to speak english and not being offensive and dumb. So only russian players foreign people know are these memetic school age dota 2 idiots that can only spam with cyrillics and rough language.[/QUOTE] It's probably simply that íåîãðàíè åííîå âðåìÿ äåéñòâè is a lot more noteworthy and memorable to the average online player than omg u dumb noob fuck lolololol :v:
"Мама, the Western pigs are making fun of us again!"
Cue this report.
So much for the ultimate sanction plan to ban russians from DotA, they are doing it to themselves.
Well, the chinese did it, so it is in the realm of possibility.
[QUOTE=antianan;46024874]Separating the US part can probably cause a massive network failure, since 8 out of 13 tier 1's are located in US.[/QUOTE]
Actually, that's quite a big misunderstanding, there's definitely not just 13 root servers around.
[url]http://blog.icann.org/2007/11/there-are-not-13-root-servers/[/url]
So even with the US part cut off, we wouldn't be completely boned.
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;46027254]Actually, that's quite a big misunderstanding, there's definitely not just 13 root servers around.
[url]http://blog.icann.org/2007/11/there-are-not-13-root-servers/[/url]
So even with the US part cut off, we wouldn't be completely boned.[/QUOTE]
Well, i was talking not about servers, but about providers. I know that there are lots of actual servers all over the world, though i wasn't aware that most of them host in Europe, not US. Thanks.
Also, yeah, disconnection of US part would not cause a complete shutdown, but it would mean not only disconnection of these DNS servers, but also all working and redundant channels that start in US, which are many. And that would cause a massive overload for other channels.
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;46027254]Actually, that's quite a big misunderstanding, there's definitely not just 13 root servers around.
[url]http://blog.icann.org/2007/11/there-are-not-13-root-servers/[/url]
So even with the US part cut off, we wouldn't be completely boned.[/QUOTE]
He isn't talking about the root servers, but the Tier 1 ISPs; and I'm fairly confident in saying that there are a number of non-tier 1 owned undersea cables.
The issue is that a significant portion of internet traffic around the US, and any traffic that needs to go near the US will usually end up going into the US (simply because we have a comparatively large footprint of infrastructure).
Which means if the US decided to "kill" the connections to non-us ASNs, or just block non-US IPs, or any of those similar methods then a lot of traffic would get routed via non-optimal routes, causing large portions of the internet to be either unreachable, or extremely slow.
Now, if you're doing europe->europe connections (Such as the UK to Germany) then there will be almost no direct impact (there might be congestion as the internet tries to route data via lagged or incorrectly configured networks that lets data through the US) on the performance.
To get a good idea Level 3 has a fairly large infrastructure mapped out so you can see that most lines run via the US.
[url]http://maps.level3.com/default/[/url]
Cogent
[url]http://www.cogentco.com/files/images/network/network_map/networkmap_global_large.png[/url]
Century Link (Qwest)
[url]http://www.centurylink.com/business/resource-center/network-maps/[/url]
AT&T
[url]https://www.att.com/Common/merger/files/pdf/wired-network/Domestic_0C-768_Network.pdf[/url]
GTT
[url]http://www.gtt.net/our-network/network-maps/[/url]
XO Communications
[url]http://www.xo.com/why/the-right-network/assets/[/url]
Verizon
[url]http://www.verizonenterprise.com/about/network/maps/map.xml[/url]
Non-Teir 1
Zayo
[url]http://www.zayo.com/network/interactive-map[/url]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46024706]isnt he the one with the hedgehog?[/QUOTE]
Are those two things supposed to contradict each other? :v:
Anyone wthin Russia who can get THE FUCK OUT NOW!.
My friend brought up a good point when I mentioned this -- isn't access to the internet considered a human right by the United Nations?
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46028163]My friend brought up a good point when I mentioned this -- isn't access to the internet considered a human right by the United Nations?[/QUOTE]
Human rights don't seem so important to Russia recently.
[QUOTE=Krinkels;46028266]Human rights don't seem so important to Russia recently.[/QUOTE]
But they do consider human rights in neighbor countries a top priority. Surely that counts as something.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;46027665]Anyone wthin Russia who can get THE FUCK OUT NOW!.[/QUOTE]
Yeah people should totally ditch their family and friends who care about them and vice versa. Especially with a possibility of losing the ability to contact them.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;46028330]Brazilians went extinct, haven't seen one in a Dota game for months now, plenty of Peruvians though
RIP Brazil, somehow I kinda miss hearing Portuguese in every game[/QUOTE]
They seem to play world of warcraft these days
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46028163]My friend brought up a good point when I mentioned this -- isn't access to the internet considered a human right by the United Nations?[/QUOTE]
Honestly the UN is a bit outlandish with what constitutes a human right, no nation on the planet actually doesn't violate the UNs list of human rights
[QUOTE=Sableye;46028649]Honestly the UN is a bit outlandish with what constitutes a human right, no nation on the planet actually doesn't violate the UNs list of human rights[/QUOTE]
Especially if you are a country that actually has some power. So european countries, USA, russia, china etc.. Historically those countries are usually told that they're a bad boy and then let off the hook, or nagged until they decide to change things.
This is gonna be a big blow to those Russian Eve Online Corps.
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