Turkish President wants to restore the Death Penalty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51982973]Remember when Turkey was the most modern and moderate Muslim majority country? What the hell happened?[/QUOTE] Erdogan.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51982965]Murder is bad. I don't know how killing a murderer solves anyone's problems.[/QUOTE] Murder is not bad if it's justified. And it's not only about solving already existing problems, it's about preventing new problems from happening. Actually I don't care about serial killers and similar scum, what i've always been interested in though is what those people who carry out death sentences think about their job. I guess you should have a pretty special view to things to do stuff like that relatively regularly.

I have to say I was pro Death penalty but this thread has put me on the fence. I do believe some people deserve it, but its existence as Law institute is a different matter entirely.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51983058]I have to say I was pro Death penalty but this thread has put me on the fence. I do believe some people deserve it, but its existence as Law institute is a different matter entirely.[/QUOTE] Nobody deserves the death penalty. You may commit a horrific crime, but it doesn't mean it's morally correct to remove the criminal's existence. Even if it was cheaper to kill them, I'd still vote against it. We should be above a [URL="http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instructionalservices/liebman/liebman_final.pdf"]flaky death penalty scheme[/URL] that seems way too flippant for what it is.

Of course he does, the fucking despot

Reminder that Erdogan's government (At least according to what I've read) represents the Islamist faction in Turkish politics. They want to do away with secular democracy, western values, and move towards theocratic rule. All their recent comments (Such as Muslims having five kids in Europe, expecting a religious war, etc) is less to convince their own people and more to scare Europeans into treating Turks abroad like trash, making them more likely to come home and be sympathetic to Erdogan's government. The same motivations are shared by groups like ISIS for committing terrorist acts in western countries. Also, regarding Derek_SM's bizarre stance on the death penalty, I strongly believe that vengeance is a private matter. If someone killed someone dear to you, and you want blood badly enough, then do it yourself and face the legal consequences for it. Don't ask your government to bloody its hands for you because you're too much of a pussy to take vengeance yourself. And do take a moment to consider whether such an act is [I]really[/I] worth spending the rest of your life or your youth in a cage. And the real possibility your target is not the one truly responsible. The saying "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" isn't just a saying. Every act of violence eventually motivates another, because almost everyone has family dear to them, too. And if random acts of vengeful violence were commonplace, they'd soon become an epidemic. See, a government's role is not to choose who lives or dies, but to keep public order. That means rehabilitating those who can be helped, and keeping those who can't where they can do no harm. It means making sure vigilantes pay for their crimes just like any other criminal, because if they didn't the country would be a bloodbath. No more, no less than that. Again, vengeance is the only reason anyone would support the death penalty. And so I call those who support a death penalty gutless, because they aren't willing to stake their own lives or freedoms on exacting that revenge, but would have their government do it instead.

[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51981984]That's bullshit if true. What if everyone wanted to do their masters when they're imprisoned for life? The government shouldn't have let him do that. And yes while dividing over the population (speaking from US here) it's not much, it's still MY money which I don't want going to THOSE people. If we take a moment, according to [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html"]the NY Times[/url] in 2010 a survey found that the average cost of an inmate was $31,286 per year. If we say that, for example, there's at least 40 serial killers in the United States alive and incarcerated today, (I can pull the numbers, rather, if you'd like for all convicted serial killers in the United States too) and If we say each inmate lives 40 years in prison, that's $1,251,440 their lifetime there. ($1,251,440 * 40) / 300 million is ~$0.16 per person. It's still $50,057,600 that we would have over the course of 40 years that we now don't.[/QUOTE] I'd pay 20 times that if it meant not having false executions and having the peace of mind that my government cannot use the death penalty to silence the opposition ever.

[QUOTE=Derek_SM;51981654]Good. Every nation should allow the death penalty. (With 100% certainty that there will be no future evidence disputing the act the offender did and a heinous act that no jail time will rehabilitate.)[/QUOTE] Yes. Lets give Erdogan the ability to execute prisoners. This plan is foolproof.