Ebola Infected doctor Kent Brantly lands in US, Arizona
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[QUOTE=Koala Crisp;45574533]burn everything remotely related to this and then some more things[/QUOTE]
Seal Arizona in a dome
[QUOTE=rewkasu;45574737]Seal Arizona in a dome[/QUOTE]
Arizona residents naturally die if their surrounding temperature dips below 90F, there's nothing to worry about.
We're here forever
[QUOTE=Zambies!;45574542]So te[/QUOTE]
I've ass texted, ass dialed, but this is a first. I have ass posted.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;45573776]And it's not like they're casually flying him economy class together with 200 other people.
*IMG*
He was flown to the US inside this which is inside a CDC owner jet:
And the people handling him are inside special suits, including himself:
*IMG*[/QUOTE]
I think it was pretty stupid for people to assume from the get go that they wouldn't follow proper containment procedures
the CDC don't fuck around
-snip-
Atlanta not Arizona
[QUOTE=Zambies!;45575039]I've ass texted, ass dialed, but this is a first. I have ass posted.[/QUOTE]
The first genuine shitpost
To be honest, I think Ebola is hella overrated. Yeah, it's horrifying that it liquefies your insides, but the main reason it even exists is because of the garbage health and safety standards in Africa. I'd be willing to bet the mortality rate wouldn't be so bad if people were catching it in 1st world countries.
Why couldn't treatment been flown to him?
[QUOTE=Subby;45578476]Why couldn't treatment been flown to him?[/QUOTE]
It's easier to put a person in a hospital/laboratory than it is to bring all of that shit to a single person. Imagine midway through treatment they decide one thing they'd hope would work isn't and they need something else; now they're nearby to anything that would conceivably be needed instead of an ocean away.
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;45578395]To be honest, I think Ebola is hella overrated. Yeah, it's horrifying that it liquefies your insides, but the main reason it even exists is because of the garbage health and safety standards in Africa. I'd be willing to bet the mortality rate wouldn't be so bad if people were catching it in 1st world countries.[/QUOTE]
people wouldn't even be catching it in first world countries, at least not on the scale they are in 3rd world countries. We have proper infrastructure, sanitation, people have toilets and homes and they don't eat bushmeat. If your ass explodes somewhere it will get cleaned up at some point - in a third world country it will be left to... well, do what it does.
Ebola won't get much traction in 1st world countries. If the way this situation has been very diligently handled is anything to go by, it's that we know what to don't fuck around with diseases. Ebola spread as much as it did in Liberia because of a distinct lack of these amenities we have - toilets, proper sanitation, homes, hospitals, etc. In addition to very little support from the government who's comprised mainly of cannibalistic warlords and religious practices that involve [I]touching the deceased[/I]. Ebola is not a major threat to first world countries.
[editline]3rd August 2014[/editline]
Unless it goes airborne
[editline]3rd August 2014[/editline]
Then we're fucked
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;45578395]To be honest, I think Ebola is hella overrated. Yeah, it's horrifying that it liquefies your insides, but the main reason it even exists is because of the garbage health and safety standards in Africa. I'd be willing to bet the mortality rate wouldn't be so bad if people were catching it in 1st world countries.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call anything which liquefies your organs 'overrated' REGARDLESS of the prognosis. Even if it somehow had a 0% mortality rate I'd sure as hell want that shit as far away from me as possible. That can't be a pleasant experience to go through.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45578495]people wouldn't even be catching it in first world countries, at least not on the scale they are in 3rd world countries. We have proper infrastructure, sanitation, people have toilets and homes and they don't eat bushmeat. If your ass explodes somewhere it will get cleaned up at some point - in a third world country it will be left to... well, do what it does.
Ebola won't get much traction in 1st world countries. If the way this situation has been very diligently handled is anything to go by, it's that we know what to don't fuck around with diseases. Ebola spread as much as it did in Liberia because of a distinct lack of these amenities we have - toilets, proper sanitation, homes, hospitals, etc. In addition to very little support from the government who's comprised mainly of cannibalistic warlords and religious practices that involve [I]touching the deceased[/I]. Ebola is not a major threat to first world countries.
[editline]3rd August 2014[/editline]
Unless it goes airborne
[editline]3rd August 2014[/editline]
Then you need to find a bunker[/QUOTE]
Nature's saving up evolution points for airborne
[QUOTE=sltungle;45578515]I wouldn't call anything which liquefies your organs 'overrated' REGARDLESS of the prognosis. Even if it somehow had a 0% mortality rate I'd sure as hell want that shit as far away from me as possible. That can't be a pleasant experience to go through.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't use the word overrated but it's certainly sensationalized. People like to make a huge point about it [I]exploding your cells[/I] and what not, sure it's not great, but neither is any disease. This isn't super-AIDS. It's likely during the symptomatic stage you would be so feverish you would barely know where you are. The media would rather have you scared than remind you that it hasn't killed a thousand people yet.
[QUOTE=sltungle;45578494]It's easier to put a person in a hospital/laboratory than it is to bring all of that shit to a single person. Imagine midway through treatment they decide one thing they'd hope would work isn't and they need something else; now they're nearby to anything that would conceivably be needed instead of an ocean away.[/QUOTE]
I'm no doctor but by the sounds of it; anything they do is simply prolonging the time the immune system has to fight it and if not, a much more comfortable death and wouldn't they have a lot of things at the treatment centers over there?
Isn't the major risk that someone with a simple cold could get ebola and create a very infectious ebola?
[QUOTE=Subby;45578529]I'm no doctor but by the sounds of it; anything they do is simply prolonging the time the immune system has to fight it and if not, a much more comfortable death and wouldn't they have a lot of things at the treatment centers over there?
Isn't the major risk that someone with a simple cold could get ebola and create a very infectious ebola?[/QUOTE]
It's Africa, dude. It's not exactly world renowned for having state of the art medical facilities and research centres (or... anything for that matter). Bringing them back to the states will put them in closer proximity with medical experts and any resources they might need.
[QUOTE=Subby;45578529]I'm no doctor but by the sounds of it; anything they do is simply prolonging the time the immune system has to fight it and if not, a much more comfortable death and wouldn't they have a lot of things at the treatment centers over there?
Isn't the major risk that someone with a simple cold could get ebola and create a very infectious ebola?[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much it; there are no specific medicines available to treat an Ebola infection. Either you survive (varies from somewhat unlikely to very unlikely depending on the strain that infected you) or you die.
[QUOTE=Subby;45578529]I'm no doctor but by the sounds of it; anything they do is simply prolonging the time the immune system has to fight it and if not, a much more comfortable death and wouldn't they have a lot of things at the treatment centers over there?
Isn't the major risk that someone with a simple cold could get ebola and create a very infectious ebola?[/QUOTE]
Yes, a person with a simple cold could get Ebola if they shove their faces into the Ebola carriers blood, starts wearing their clothes, or has sex with them. Bottom line is Ebola is pretty hard to contract when you practice basic hygeine/infection control procedures. Plus, Hospitals generally have special rooms and procedures provided for people who are highly infectious.
[QUOTE=Petrussen;45573351]BIG MISTAKE
I'm headed for my cryo-tube, see you guys in 200 years when this is all over[/QUOTE]
By then, we've all evolved into a being capable of living with ebola, but having ebola as a parasitic talking organism, and whoever hasn't evolved by then, gets eaten by a bear.
ebola bear. new animal created by ebola
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45578925]By then, we've all evolved into a being capable of living with ebola, but having ebola as a parasitic talking organism, and whoever hasn't evolved by then, gets eaten by a bear.
ebola bear. new animal created by ebola[/QUOTE]
nope, I'm out
last thing we need are ebola zombies
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;45578395]To be honest, I think Ebola is hella overrated. Yeah, it's horrifying that it liquefies your insides, but the main reason it even exists is because of the garbage health and safety standards in Africa. I'd be willing to bet the mortality rate wouldn't be so bad if people were catching it in 1st world countries.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this guy.
I'd rather have my organs liquefy and be part of this horrible disease that's relatively new and part of history than get a brain eating amoeba from swimming in a lake.
There are horrifying diseases that are already discovered and much shittier things can happen to you that make cancer look like dying from the fucking whooping cough.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45578527]People like to make a huge point about it [I]exploding your cells[/I] and what not,[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what every single virus does? Maybe I'm horribly mistaken, but my knowledge was that viruses literally cause red blood cells to explode.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45578647]Yes, a person with a simple cold could get Ebola if they shove their faces into the Ebola carriers blood, starts wearing their clothes, or has sex with them. Bottom line is Ebola is pretty hard to contract when you practice basic hygeine/infection control procedures. Plus, Hospitals generally have special rooms and procedures provided for people who are highly infectious.[/QUOTE]
You say that, but how did this doctor get it? He's the one who should know and practice these procedures the best, accidents happen. There's no reason why he should have been moved, it's an unnecessary risk that shouldn't have been taken.
Also, if a person has ebola and their body is breaking down, if they cough, could they have blood cells (therefore Ebola) in their cough? I'm no doctor but if someone is literally breaking down, i don't see why blood in the lungs isn't a possibility.
I'm not exactly sure in what order the internal organs break down, But either way, you're making it sound like ebola is hard to catch.
[quote]You say that, but how did this doctor get it? He's the one who should know and practice these procedures the best, accidents happen. There's no reason why he should have been moved, it's an unnecessary risk that shouldn't have been taken.[/quote]
Procedures may fail due to external factors. And they aren't guaranteed to work 100% of the time either.
He's apparently improving:
[URL="http://time.com/3075848/cdc-ebola-patient-improving/"]http://time.com/3075848/cdc-ebola-patient-improving/[/URL]
[QUOTE]An American doctor infected with the Ebola virus “seems to be improving,” the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Sunday.
“We’re hoping he’ll continue to improve,” Dr. Tom Frieden said during an appearance on CBS’ Face the Nation. “But Ebola is such a scary disease because it’s so deadly. I can’t predict the future for individual patients.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45579070]Isn't that what every single virus does? Maybe I'm horribly mistaken, but my knowledge was that viruses literally cause red blood cells to explode.[/QUOTE]
It depends if I remember correctly. Sometimes virii just make your cells into virus factories.
So apparently one the patients who was literally teetering on life and death was saved by a secret serum...
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/health/experimental-ebola-serum/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url]
Good. Happy to see both of them recover. But tbh, I'm not really all that worried about Ebola now. Because:
1. The USA has very strict containment procedures, like everyone else stated in this thread, the CDC doesn't fuck around.
2. The secret serum is apparently working wonders on the american Ebola patients. (Base the serum off a reliable cure>get cure approved by CDC>make large quantities>distribute to everyone>???>profit)
3. If it evolves, then OK maybe there might be a huge issue. The US and other countries with high saftey and health standards would still contain the fuck out of it. For now, it's really not a huge issue.
4. Ebola is NOT infectious when people don't show any symptoms. "Oh, but what if people don't realize they have ebola"? Then...it's not infectious. That's one of the reasons Ebola is not that difficult to contain.
Also, another point I'd like to address. Ebola reminds me of AIDS. They're definitely not the same thing (if someone says they are they're lying) but they do have similarities. Both are spread strictly by body fluids, both have atleast just a few similar symptoms, etc. Main difference is no cure for AIDS, but a serum for Ebola. Also the condition of someone with Ebola deteriorates much faster than someone with AIDS. But, both are pretty similar. I guess that's why I'm really lax about all of this. The US will contain it, there's a [i]pretty[/i] small chance of them not being able to contain it. We're working on a cure and it's coming soon, everything will settle down soon enough. If by a small chance it get's out of hand, it'll just become another disease we'll have to live with, like AIDS. (Assuming it does not evolve, of course)
I'm gonna go play some plague inc. now :v:
E: However, shit like this WILL happen again in the future. Probably worse than now. But in the meantime, it's pretty much under control.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/ebola-doctor-quarantined-tennessee-24812583[/url]
This is a good example of why we shouldn't worry. 21 days and he's still not showing any symptoms. Yet, proper saftey precautions are taken and the doctor is quarantined.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;45582416]It depends if I remember correctly. Sometimes virii just make your cells into virus factories.[/QUOTE]
ALL viruses make your cells into virus factories. That's how they 'reproduce' and is one of the defining characteristics of a virus.
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