British Lord Accused of Raping Boys Inside Parliament.
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48158855]Absolutely fucking disgusting, for fucks sake what is wrong with those prosecutors[/QUOTE]
[del]He has dementia, there is no way you can try someone who may literally be incapable of remembering what happened. Its terrible as they [I]should[/I] be tried, but its just not possible.[/del]
Edit: Just saw smurfy's post. Seems that they are going to try, good to see that a court will get to rule one way or another instead of it just being endless allegations.
Abolish the House of Lords, Eat the Rich
[QUOTE=Lambeth;48162463]Abolish the House of Lords, Eat the Rich[/QUOTE]The HoL does serve a decent purpose of a body free from electoral pressure shooting down (well, delaying) blatantly retarded legislation, but it should be populated entirely by people who know important shit e.g. scientists, economists and so on. Currently it's still got stuff like people whose only qualification for being there is that they're a part of the priesthood of the Church of England, or that they have some title.
[QUOTE=Vasili;48160598]Britain is ruled by pedophiles.[/QUOTE]
Not only UK.
[url]http://www.whale.to/b/pedophocracy.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;48162952]The HoL does serve a decent purpose of a body free from electoral pressure shooting down (well, delaying) blatantly retarded legislation, but it should be populated entirely by people who know important shit e.g. scientists, economists and so on. Currently it's still got stuff like people whose only qualification for being there is that they're a part of the priesthood of the Church of England, or that they have some title.[/QUOTE]
Its kind of controversial. They're not elected yet have an influence on which laws are passed - so its TECHNICALLY undemocratic.
At the same time I feel they are ultimately a political force for good, stopping the government passing laws which might not benefit the country and while they do have some political connections they seem less partisan than the house of "commons".
The way I see it, as long as things like this keep being uncovered, progression is being made, and however much it damages our reputation, those of use who are forced to endure this embarrassing and horrific set of scandals are starting to understand a lot more about the government. And as it's a very sore topic for every type of person in Britain, everybody has something to say. I mean god knows what other governments/ powerful people are aware of or up to.
But everything that has happened is just further damaging the trust and increasing the divide between the elites and the rest of us. God knows what these events (The abuse being uncovered I mean) could influence in the future. I hope a lot of positive things.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48163042]Its kind of controversial. They're not elected yet have an influence on which laws are passed - so its TECHNICALLY undemocratic.
At the same time I feel they are ultimately a political force for good, stopping the government passing laws which might not benefit the country and while they do have some political connections they seem less partisan than the house of "commons".[/QUOTE]
The thing is about the Lords is that I should technically dislike them for being an outdated, in democratic part of our system, but they've done such a job since the New labour reforms that I think we should just keep them as they are.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48163042]Its kind of controversial. They're not elected yet have an influence on which laws are passed - so its TECHNICALLY undemocratic.
At the same time I feel they are ultimately a political force for good, stopping the government passing laws which might not benefit the country and while they do have some political connections they seem less partisan than the house of "commons".[/QUOTE]
An undemocratic system isn't negative by definition. Leaving everything to a majority vote is downright dangerous, a (mostly) merit based system like the House of Lords is a perfectly acceptable defense against the possible dangers of a democracy.
We did just launch a [url=https://www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/]major independent inquiry[/url] into child sexual abuse across society by the way, headed by a judge from New Zealand who was specifically chosen for being a complete outsider to the British establishment.
i think it's a terrible reflection on the upper echelons of society that this does not surprise me one bit
I wonder if you conducted similar investigations into other countries (or NGOs) how much would come out? It can't just be the UK.
[QUOTE=Jackald;48163768]Am I the only one wondering how that's even possible? I mean Parliament's not exactly an empty warehouse or a private property in the middle of nowhere, how the hell could this go on?[/QUOTE]
All it really takes is for someone to lock a door. If a sexual assault can occur in a house party I'm sure it can occur in a building with plenty of locked doors.
[QUOTE=tharmas;48158846]what the fuck is in your water britain[/QUOTE]
Question should be what's in the fucking Champagne. How many more rich and powerful people in the UK are going to be found out to be sex offenders? These people are running this country. It's getting way out of god damned hand, and it's utterly disgusting and shameful.0
there's a level of child (and adult) sexual abuse within the establishment (around the world) that's unthinkable. at a base level there's a large amount of sexual abuse within poorer segments of society, imagine you had influence and power to truly do what you want, it goes to another scale. you have from someone kidnapping a child on the street to abuse, which is rare, to a larger scale of networks on the internet of people sharing images/videos of child abuse, of course these get busted all the time. but where do those images/videos come from? there's tens of thousands of them, it's it's own little economy of abuse and the networks that produce them are protected. the elite have no qualms laundering mexican drug money produced through mass suffering, why would they care about a few children? so they get to do stuff like this:
[quote]"From East Belfast's Kincora Boys' Home, via Leicestershire, Staffordshire and London, to the children's homes of Clwyd, we have witnessed 25 years of cover-up. Cover-up, not to protect the innocent but to protect the regularly named elements of the British establishment who surface whenever widespread evidence of child abuse is exposed. From the public schools right through to the Catholic and Anglican churches, child abuse has been allowed a special place of sanctuary... Social workers, police, security services, local and national political figures remain the common factors in the fall-out from the [child abuse] inquiries... In case after case the cycle is described - a child is 'taken into care', then abused in a home, handed on to an outside pedophile ring and out on to the rent-boy/prostitution circuit beyond, if they live that long... Journalists find themselves battling first with authority, then with the libel laws, to publish the truth about a vast web of abuse."[/quote]
- June 6, 1996, The Guardian, 'True scandal of the child abusers'.
[quote]"Imagine, everywhere you hear that story about a blackmail dossier in which organizations of the extreme right are in the possession of pictures and videos on which a number of prominent people in and around Brussels have sex with young girls; minors it is said. The existence of this dossier has always been vehemently denied. Until it was proven that testimonies and videos of this affair indeed were in the possession of the police services. An officer of the judicial police (Marnette, H.G.) denied the existence of these videos, while afterwards this person's superior admitted that they did exist, that they were kept with the judicial police in Brussels, but that they were completely worthless. Strange, because this stuff needs to be deposited with the registrar and not be kept in the possession of some police service. Subsequently, examining magistrate Jean-Marie Schlicker confirms that this dossier does indeed exist, but that he wishes not to give any testimonies about it. The at first non-existing dossier turns out to exist. The videos without substance then turn out to be interesting enough after all to be handed over to the examining magistrate tasked with the investigation into the Gang of Nijvel. But this person subsequently is afraid to testify about that! What do you think that has been going on here?"[/quote]
- September 1989, Congressman Hugo Coveliers, secretary of the special investigating committee tasked with evaluating the way gangsterism and terrorism is combated in Belgium (1988-1990)
[quote]"Marc always told me that he kidnapped girls for people who had placed an order with him. When he came out of prison in March 1996, I asked him who did the orders when he was in jail. He answered me that somebody else did that and that he certainly wasn't the only one. When we went to pick up a girl, Marc wanted that she corresponded with the order, small hips. He gave me a description of the girl that we were looking for. [One day] I asked him why they [An and Eefje] were still with him even though he claimed he had an order. He told me that the people who had placed the order had come, but that they weren't interested in them... Dutroux explained me that he conditioned the girls to be obedient and submissive when they arrived at customers..."[/quote]
- Michel Lelievre talking about Michel Nihoul, Michel was found guilty but ruling was overturned. Was the middle-man for the elite and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux"]Marc Dutroux[/URL]'s services.
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"Welfare staff at Naypic have been convinced by Andrew and other runaways that such [snuff] films are being made. They have been told of a paedophile group known as the Elite Twelve, which is prepared to pay up to Pounds 5,000 to youngsters to make videos involving torture and sado-masochism, and which may lead to murder.
"They have also been told of a snuff movie made last year when a 14-year-old boy was beaten by three men in an East End flat, raped and battered to death with clubs.
"Chris Fay, an adult adviser to the association, said: "I am convinced such videos exist. I have been shown one in Amsterdam by a Dutch colleague. It showed three men wearing leather masks cutting up a girl aged about 13 with a flick knife."[/quote]
- From a report by the British National Association for Young People In Care, before Andrew could give an official testimony he was drugged and taken off the streets.
[quote] "Last week Italian police seized 3,000 of Kuznetsov's videos on their way to clients in Italy, sparking an international hunt for paedophiles who have bought his products. The Italian investigators say the material includes footage of children dying during abuse...
"The Russian videos, which had been ordered over the internet, were intercepted when they came into Italy by post, repackaged and then delivered by undercover police officers. They cost between Pounds 300 and Pounds 4,000, depending on what type of film was ordered.
"Covert film of young children naked or undressing was known as a 'SNIPE' video. The most appalling category was code-named 'Necros Pedo' in which children were raped and tortured until they died.
"The Naples newspaper Il Mattino published a transcript of an alleged email exchange between a prospective client and the Russian vendors. 'Promise me you're not ripping me off,' says the Italian. 'Relax, I can assure you this one really dies,' the Russian responds. 'The last time I paid and I didn't get what I wanted.' 'What do you want?' 'To see them die.'"[/quote]
From The Observer, talking about a Russian child-abuse network serving clients (including business men and officials), mostly from Italy and Germany but also France, Britain, America and Japan. A Swedish newspaper also described said videos: [quote]"The pictures are unbearable for normal people to watch. Here are prolonged rape sequences with children begging to be spared. They are abused until they faint. Then they are murdered in front of the cameras... Yes, there are even scenes of actual autopsies on young people... In the 'product catalog' of the pedophiles were pictures of a 10 year old girl who had been killed by hanging. A five year old girl with a grimace of pain as she is raped. An adult is killed by gradual crushing."[/quote]
Systems of sexual blackmail:
[quote] "Since I was 8 or 9 years old, Mitch [Nihoul] would often enough take me with him and give me the assignment to hang around a certain customer. I liked doing that. I enjoyed seeing them shamble around, their efforts to stay out of my way unnoticed. I smiled when Mich asked me to stand next to a customer to make a picture, and how the customer reluctantly smiled and put a weak arm around my shoulder... The glances which were then exchanged between the one taking the picture and the customer were priceless. The customer knew he was trapped... In the night they had been the boss, now they were prey... Too bad that most of them, once they knew they had been trapped, went to experiment even more during the night...
"In Brussels there was a villa in which a room was set up with built-in cameras. Even in the 1970s these cameras were so discrete that only the people who maintained them and the child- prostitutes knew where they were located... Why did I had to get those guys clearly in the picture, why was I supposed to get them to hit me and brutally rape me? Why was 'regular' sex often not enough?... Blackmail, the word that was never mentioned, I only started to really understand when I was thirteen, fourteen years old...
"Contracts between the business milieu and the political world, contracts between businessmen amongst each other, fraud with subsidies or licenses, setting up fake firms, criminal contracts like arms trade... everything was possible. And it always ended with sex and children... Pictures were taken, in jest, to keep both parties to their contracts... The men were brought to ideas by child pornography movies that were played at parties... The pimps also had another tactic. They invited a person who could be useful to them. They went to dine with him, and took him - after he had been liquored up - to a 'party'. Men from the top layer of society are used to visiting or getting offered prostitutes. They usually knew that something like this would follow, and the prostitutes they would see upon entering would be slightly older girls, between 16 [sexually mature in Belgium] and 18 years old. More booze and cocaine would be supplied, for ambience. And only then the 'prey' would be taken to a room where a younger girl was waiting, like me, then.
"Most men probably realized only afterwards in what kind of hornet's nest they now found themselves, but by then it was far too late... Men were introduced to the network by colleagues, friends or family members. Carefully or slowly, or briskly after a party. Step by step customers, who first went to bed with me cautiously, were stimulated to rougher sex. I was forced to help them with that... They became complicit and at the same time their mutual connections became tighter. Not one of these people was still inclined to sign contracts with individuals outside the network. If that happened one could make them pay dearly for that..." [/quote]
Similar things happen in the United States:
[quote]"Craig J. Spence, an enigmatic figure who threw glittery parties for key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, media stars and top military officers, bugged the gatherings to compromise guests, provided cocaine, blackmailed some associates and spent up to $20,000 a month on male prostitutes, according to friends, acquaintances and records...
"Among the clients identified in hundreds of credit-card vouchers obtained by The Washington Times - and identified by male prostitutes and escort operators - are government officials, locally based U.S. military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides, media representatives and other professionals. Mr. Spence's influence appeared unlimited, aptly demonstrated by his ability to arrange midnight tours of the White House, according to three persons who said they took part in those tours.
"Several former associates said his [Spence's] house on Wyoming Avenue was bugged and had a secret two-way mirror, and that he attempted to ensnare visitors into compromising sexual encounters that he could then use as leverage... The man, a business associate of Mr. Spence who was on the White House tour, said: "He was blackmailing people. He was taping people and blackmailing them. ...
"[A businessman] described Mr. Spence as "strange," saying that he often boasted that he was working for the CIA... Mr. Spence told him that the CIA might "doublecross him," however, and kill him instead "and then to make it look like a suicide." The businessman also said he attended a birthday bash for Roy Cohn at Mr. Spence's house. He said Mr. Casey was at the party." [310]
"During the past few weeks, Mr. Spence told several friends that the call-boy operation was being investigated by the U.S. Attorney's Office and other federal authorities as a possible CIA front. He told the friends that the CIA used the service to compromise other federal intelligence officials and foreign diplomats. One friend quoted him as saying, "Casey's boys are out to get me"...
"During a lengthy interview at a Manhattan apartment in August, Mr. Spence frequently alluded to deep mysteries. "All this stuff you've uncovered (involving call boys, bribery and the White House tours), to be honest with you, is insignificant compared to other things I've done. But I'm not going to tell you those things, and somehow the world will carry on." He also talked frequently of suicide, saying repeatedly, "My life is over." He reserved deep bitterness for high-powered friends he said had forsaken him. "I've had the world at my house, and now they don't know who I am," he said. "But they did come, didn't they?"[/quote]
it's really upsetting
[QUOTE=ThaBoss;48163715]An undemocratic system isn't negative by definition. Leaving everything to a majority vote is downright dangerous, a (mostly) merit based system like the House of Lords is a perfectly acceptable defense against the possible dangers of a democracy.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100%
democratic != always good
undemocratic != always bad
[editline]13th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;48193071]there's a level of child (and adult) sexual abuse within the establishment (around the world) that's unthinkable. at a base level there's a large amount of sexual abuse within poorer segments of society, imagine you had influence and power to truly do what you want, it goes to another scale. you have from someone kidnapping a child on the street to abuse, which is rare, to a larger scale of networks on the internet of people sharing images/videos of child abuse, of course these get busted all the time. but where do those images/videos come from? there's tens of thousands of them, it's it's own little economy of abuse and the networks that produce them are protected. the elite have no qualms laundering mexican drug money produced through mass suffering, why would they care about a few children? so they get to do stuff like this:
- June 6, 1996, The Guardian, 'True scandal of the child abusers'.
- September 1989, Congressman Hugo Coveliers, secretary of the special investigating committee tasked with evaluating the way gangsterism and terrorism is combated in Belgium (1988-1990)
- Michel Lelievre talking about Michel Nihoul, Michel was found guilty but ruling was overturned. Was the middle-man for the elite and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux"]Marc Dutroux[/URL]'s services.
- From a report by the British National Association for Young People In Care, before Andrew could give an official testimony he was drugged and taken off the streets.
From The Observer, talking about a Russian child-abuse network serving clients (including business men and officials), mostly from Italy and Germany but also France, Britain, America and Japan. A Swedish newspaper also described said videos:
Systems of sexual blackmail:
Similar things happen in the United States:
it's really upsetting[/QUOTE]
Very interesting finds, thats just the information which has been revealed. I wonder how much goes on without being discovered. I wonder how prevalent it is in big business, banking/finance. I know it sounds all paranoid like but it seems like 1 rule for them another for the rest of us.
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