Privatized Military Corp. Blackwater Targets War in Somalia - Polidicks

They are Xe now, yeah.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;27813775]I thought it was illegal for PMC's the act offensively? And didn't Blackwater change their name to Xe?[/QUOTE] Yeah they can't actually attack. They were employed by what passes for a Somali government and were tasked with defensive operations. They are no longer under contract with the Somalian government. And yeah they did change their names. I love how everyone jumps on the hate train against mercenaries and PMC's in general every chance they get. Blackwater is run by a psychopath. BLACKWATER is bad. Even still, the amount of damage that blackwater has done is virtually zero compared to the collateral damage of any military currently operating in the middle east. Mercenaries have been used in conflict since the dawn of time. They work. They've proven themselves countless times. PMC's aren't even full on mercenaries. They are simply private security.

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[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27811398]yeah get it together guys! blackwater DOES NOT represent america! they were just founded by americans, funded by americans and is completely made up of americans!!!!! JEEZ[/QUOTE] Not only are you wrong, but even if you were right, the whole "this small PMC is made up of 'Americans' so it represents all of America" is an incredibly ignorant statement What the hell is wrong with you, anyways

Push Africa into Space, Problem solved.

[QUOTE=GunFox;27813888]PMC's aren't even full on mercenaries. They are simply private security.[/QUOTE] What's the difference? (not trolling, genuine question)

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27815362]What's the difference? (not trolling, genuine question)[/QUOTE] Mercenaries are soldiers that are payed but are not loyal to any certain country. PMC's are [i]supposed[/i] too just be security.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27815362]What's the difference? (not trolling, genuine question)[/QUOTE] There isnt really any when it comes to blackwater, those guys get shit done, whether you like it or not... haha

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27815362]What's the difference? (not trolling, genuine question)[/QUOTE] As trunk Monkay said, Private Military Companies act as a paramilitary force and aren't connected to any nation in particular. They work for whoever pays them, but they usually do a pretty good job at it despite not fighting for a cause they really believe in.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;27815644]As trunk Monkay said, Private Military Companies act as a paramilitary force and aren't connected to any nation in particular. They work for whoever pays them, but they usually do a pretty good job at it despite not fighting for a cause they really believe in.[/QUOTE] Every PMC fights for a cause it believes in, on every job it's hired to do. [img]http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/chicago/Money%20stacks.jpg[/img]

Source: [url]http://www.yaliberty.org/posts/privatized-military-corp-blackwater-targets-war-in-somalia[/url] Since when was an opinion article considered news? It does press a few good points, though.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;27815760]Every PMC fights for a cause it believes in, on every job it's hired to do. [img_thumb]http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/chicago/Money%20stacks.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtkv7_EYp0Vt9t9APyVMguqm65x53YxYW3RSMigUTV_pmwJmkMwA&t=1[/img] "Gold, Sweets! Twenty-four carats! What more motivation do ya need?"

Damn, these guys are fucking crazy trolls, and I'm fucking raging right now. Contracts are signed. That doesn't mean its fucking money given to fucking Blackwater by the government for no fucking reason. Contract. We give you money, You do something. American founded company. That doesn't mean that they're getting money from the government. If anything, they're PAYING money to the government. /raeg

Its funny. I gave privateering in modern times a good thought a long time ago and concluded that if you're a trigger happy person that wants to earn money you'd have to establish a base in United Arab Emirates and have mercenary missions in Somalia. Also, blackwater changed name a long time ago. They are hired by the US army and their company is allowed by the US. This has nothing to do with the US obviously. They just hire and shelter them.

These guys are doing for the West what Al Qaeda is doing for Islam. i.e. Giving it a bad name and isolating it.

So are they just taking a side for the highest bidder?

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;27817130]So are they just taking a side for the highest bidder?[/QUOTE] They are people that want to risk their life (but not too much) shooting people. But their heart belongs to the US. Most if not all served in the army and have combat experience. I guess they are rambo's. War is their life.

[QUOTE=sami-elite;27817221]They are people that want to risk their life (but not too much) shooting people. But their heart belongs to the US. Most if not all served in the army and have combat experience. I guess they are rambo's. War is their life.[/QUOTE] There are many reasons to join a PMC. Some persons just want a thrill, or want to see the world (and then shoot the shit out of the residents), or just do it because it's more dynamic and the rules are less strict than in an actual army.

ITT Idiots who think Blackwater is the US army. On a more related note, I dont see the point of them going into Somalia, going into one muslim country will just piss off the other ones and increase the amount of radicals.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27817725]ITT Idiots who think Blackwater is the US army. On a more related note, I dont see the point of them going into Somalia, going into one muslim country will just piss off the other ones and increase the amount of radicals.[/QUOTE] thats the fun part you idiot

[QUOTE=deltasquid;27817621]There are many reasons to join a PMC. Some persons just want a thrill, or want to see the world (and then shoot the shit out of the residents), or just do it because it's more dynamic and the rules are less strict than in an actual army.[/QUOTE] You can't just join any private security company as a normal person. These companies are flooded with people that want to join. They can and will be picky. And those that are picked out are more often than not rambo's.

[QUOTE=animephreak135;27808689]Blackwater = Americans. My eyes have been opened. Why haven't I been receiving employee checks from them, though? Gotta take this up with the management department I guess.[/QUOTE] Yes, Blackwater = Americans. You elected your government who then funded Blackwater. You live in a 'democracy', fucking fix it.

Blackwater Hawk Down

Despite the fact it's a bad idea to instigate conflict in Somalia I do find it pretty interesting not only the fact that a privatized military firm is large enough to wage small scale conflicts in other countries but also do so without the repercussions a nation would. Up until now wars of the modern age were either fought by nations with armies against other nations with armies or guerrillas fighting other guerrillas or nations/states. So for a private military from a major country in the global political spectrum to actively wage a war on it's own is pretty unusual.

somehow i doubt this article is real, considering erik prince left blackwater quite a while ago [editline]2nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lalelalala;27820190]Yes, Blackwater = Americans. You elected your government who then funded Blackwater. You live in a 'democracy', fucking fix it.[/QUOTE] get killed

[QUOTE=Lalelalala;27820190]Yes, Blackwater = Americans. You elected your government who then funded Blackwater. You live in a 'democracy', fucking fix it.[/QUOTE] We fixed it a long time ago. Blackwater isn't under contract with the US government in Iraq. They haven't been for some time. We aren't responsible for their actions in Somalia at all. They are used occasionally by state department employees when they need private security, but that comes specifically from those state department employees. In reality we have been riding them so hard that they have been trying to find a nation without an extradition treaty to the US to serve as their new home. So fuck off.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;27811768]In other words they do anything that'll "achieve" victory.[/QUOTE] Not to defend what Blackwater's done, but what exactly do you propose? In warfare, rules are for the weak and for ignorant fools trying to play the moral high road. Last time I checked, our morals didn't get us a victory. Tearing the enemy limb from limb with our bear hands, however, did. A vaunted self-righteous view of onesself has little meaning when you're all dead because you wouldn't fight on the level of a lawless enemy. You can't play "nice" in a war and expect a wonderful victory. It's why Korea didn't work, Vietnam didn't work, and Iraq and Afghanistan also will not work. Just look at the Rules of Engagement, which've fallen prey to this kind of thinking: US troops can't even open fire unless they're already being shot at, and if the insurgents throw down their weapons and run for it, the US troops aren't even really allowed to do much of anything. Is it so hard to see a bunch of guys with guns facing your convoy, arm the .50 caliber, and rip them up [I]before[/I] they've had a chance to start shooting and blowing up your men? Or do you, too, think our men need to stand there and get killed before it's okay to do anything?

[QUOTE=Lalelalala;27820190]You live in a 'democracy', fucking fix it.[/QUOTE] No, we don't.

Blackwater company? Watch some no-name fucker who cant walk diagonally go and destroy them in like 5 minutes

[QUOTE=GunFox;27813888]Yeah they can't actually attack. They were employed by what passes for a Somali government and were tasked with defensive operations. They are no longer under contract with the Somalian government. And yeah they did change their names. I love how everyone jumps on the hate train against mercenaries and PMC's in general every chance they get. Blackwater is run by a psychopath. BLACKWATER is bad. Even still, the amount of damage that blackwater has done is virtually zero compared to the collateral damage of any military currently operating in the middle east. Mercenaries have been used in conflict since the dawn of time. They work. They've proven themselves countless times. PMC's aren't even full on mercenaries. They are simply private security.[/QUOTE] So many things are run by PMCs these days. Everything from basic base security to even the DEFAC can be run by a PMC. A whole lot of them never even leave the base.