Yeah I can totally imagine them making a monument for one of the most horrific terrorist attacks in America that says something like "In memory of the victims of the September 11th terrorist attacks who were not idiots who believed in fairytails lol".
Oh wait no that would be fucking stupid as hell.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37294627]so do christians[/QUOTE]
Quite a nasty one if I recall correctly.
[editline]17th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37294630]uh well christians fucking massacred people a couple of times in history but i'm not planning on saying "i told you so" when they massacre some people again in the future?[/QUOTE]
Waiting for someone to mention Stalin now.
What the Christians want to put up is pretty well known right now, and I don't know that it shits over anyone by any means other than exclusion.
[editline]17th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Falubii;37294633]Waiting for someone to mention Stalin now.[/QUOTE]
why?
I am an atheist myself you know.
stalin didn't kill people in the name of atheism.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294646]What the Christians want to put up is pretty well known right now, and I don't know that it shits over anyone by any means [b]other than exclusion[/b].[/QUOTE]
So what you just said, in exactly your words, was that is shits on other people in a way.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294646]What the Christians want to put up is pretty well known right now, and I don't know that it shits over anyone by any means other than exclusion.[/QUOTE]
and that exclusion is exactly what the atheists are complaining about
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294646]What the Christians want to put up is pretty well known right now, and I don't know that it shits over anyone by any means other than exclusion.[/QUOTE]
It's putting a massive, exclusive Christian symbol over the monument of about 3000 people who were killed in the 9/11 attacks, quite a number of them not being Christian.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294646]What the Christians want to put up is pretty well known right now, and I don't know that it shits over anyone by any means other than exclusion.
[editline]17th August 2012[/editline]
why?
I am an atheist myself you know.[/QUOTE]
are you still going on about your moronic hypothetical situation honestly?
[editline]18th August 2012[/editline]
this is the part where you say "ha i guess youre right, that was dumb as shit for me to say, sorry!"
[QUOTE=Falubii;37294664]So what you just said, in exactly your words, was that is shits on other people in a way.[/QUOTE]
A way which would be countered by including other religions.
I'm all for that, I just have a feeling that AA is going to fuck it up.
loudest group is heard the most - /r/atheism is an stereotype model people use to shit on atheism in general because it's easy to do when a loud group of people act unsavory, rude, and disrespectful
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294694]A way which would be countered by including other religions.
I'm all for that, I just have a feeling that AA is going to fuck it up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sure AA would go out of the way to succeed in this lawsuit just to make themselves look like the biggest assholes of this entire situation.
Regardless of whatever silly things they did to nativity scene booths, this is 9/11 we are talking about.
Okay, fine. I admit it. 9/11 is a big thing and maybe they will be respectful of it. Hopefully.
You win some, you lose some. Perhaps I just have a somewhat irrational hate of atheists in general.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294757]Okay, fine. I admit it. 9/11 is a big thing and maybe they will be respectful of it. Hopefully.
You win some, you lose some. [B]Perhaps I just have a somewhat irrational hate of atheists in general.[/B][/QUOTE]
most people seem to
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294757] [B]Perhaps I just have a somewhat irrational hate of atheists in general[/B].[/QUOTE]
And if you had any credibility you just pissed it away right there.
Regardless of anything the two most likely scenarios is they either get rid of the cross or they leave it without including any other symbols.
Cause I really doubt they will be willing to deal with the headache of facing the shitstorm that would result in trying to include the star and crescent in the mix.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294757]Okay, fine. I admit it. 9/11 is a big thing and maybe they will be respectful of it. Hopefully.
You win some, you lose some. Perhaps I just have a somewhat irrational hate of atheists in general.[/QUOTE]
So you hate people who reject religion, even though you yourself reject religion? Makes sense.
[QUOTE=Falubii;37294834]So you hate people who reject religion, even though you yourself reject religion? Makes sense.[/QUOTE]
It comes about stereotypically, which probably is what makes it irrational. But atheists I do meet tend to be wholly unpleasant about it, even to an atheist such as myself. Vocal minority for sure.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;37294862]It comes about stereotypically, which probably is what makes it irrational. But atheists I do meet tend to be wholly unpleasant about it, even to an atheist such as myself. Vocal minority for sure.[/QUOTE]
Well I suppose you should work on fixing that.
Whatever works works man.
I still can't get over how many people didn't read the article on the first page.
Or are just dumb.
I don't understand why FP sees this as such a big deal. Just accept that they should take it down or add more religious symbols to allow all religions equal expression at the cost of the government and stop complaining.
Edit: Just because it's the largest terrorist attack doesn't mean we should have a shitstorm over it. It happened in 2001, guys.
Alternatively, errect a giant wall with religious symbols and the names of each person designated to a list with their religion.
[QUOTE=TSIThomas;37294950]I don't understand why FP sees this as such a big deal. Just accept that they should take it down or add more religious symbols to allow all religions equal expression at the cost of the government and stop complaining.[/QUOTE]
It is the biggest terrorist attack in recorded history and the monument is a big deal.
[QUOTE=TSIThomas;37294950]I don't understand why FP sees this as such a big deal. Just accept that they should take it down or add more religious symbols to allow all religions equal expression at the cost of the government and stop complaining.[/QUOTE]
Thread's over everyone. The undisputed master of not seeing things as a big deal just made a big deal about people making a big deal over this issue.
You guys don't get it, do you?
While some of you might not be really offended, I'm pretty sure there ARE people out there that feel like this move implies that their now gone beloved ones' memories were excluded from this tragic happening.
Try to put yourself into the shoes of others, I would be offended myself if one of my family (in case this hypothetical person held no christian belief, ofc) died in that incident, wasn't this one worthy a place for the memory of his existance to lay and rest?
Beliefs, whatever they may be - in Science, a God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster - fall away when you die, along with your identity, ego and memories.
Arguing about this or that is solely motivated by your own self-interest - In an effort to get 'one up' on the 'competition' - and it is equally pointless because it too is lost when you die.
So whilst you can be 'offended' or somehow try to justify your whiny arguments - at the end of the day you're not 'respecting the dead' by bringing your own self-motivated egotistical bullshit into it.
When you are dead and in the ground and someone draws a meaningless pattern of some description on your tombstone, please attempt to give a shit - because I promise you, it simply will not be possible.. And if you were able to, you would most likely laugh hysterically at the people talking about this or that 'important issue' in a serious tone with stern faces and directed hostility, all in the sake of some silly, impermanent beliefs.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37295138]Beliefs, whatever they may be - in Science, a God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster - fall away when you die, along with your identity, ego and memories.
Arguing about this or that is solely motivated by your own self-interest - In an effort to get 'one up' on the 'competition' - and it is equally pointless because it too is lost when you die.
So whilst you can be 'offended' or somehow try to justify your whiny arguments - at the end of the day you're not 'respecting the dead' by bringing your own self-motivated egotistical bullshit into it.
When you are dead and in the ground and someone draws a meaningless pattern of some description on your tombstone, please attempt to give a shit - because I promise you, it simply will not be possible.. And if you were able to, you would most likely laugh hysterically at the people talking about this or that 'important issue' in a serious tone with stern faces and directed hostility, all in the sake of some silly, impermanent beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Respect is a human invention that I would very much like to see used more. I don't care how pointless it may be in the end.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37295138]Beliefs, whatever they may be - in Science, a God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster - fall away when you die, along with your identity, ego and memories.
Arguing about this or that is solely motivated by your own self-interest - In an effort to get 'one up' on the 'competition' - and it is equally pointless because it too is lost when you die.
So whilst you can be 'offended' or somehow try to justify your whiny arguments - at the end of the day you're not 'respecting the dead' by bringing your own self-motivated egotistical bullshit into it.
When you are dead and in the ground and someone draws a meaningless pattern of some description on your tombstone, please attempt to give a shit - because I promise you, it simply will not be possible.. And if you were able to, you would most likely laugh hysterically at the people talking about this or that 'important issue' in a serious tone with stern faces and directed hostility, all in the sake of some silly, impermanent beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Yes, many things are impermanent, but does that mean we should not care about them? Your condescending attitude does nothing to aid your point, especially not when you describe people calling for equal representation 'whiners'. But no, do tell how not wanting one religious group to be represented above all others in a nation so diverse as this is 'egotistical'.
[QUOTE=Falubii;37294517]What national anthem are you listening to that mentions god? Also, it shouldn't be in the pledge of allegiance or on coins. They only added the phrase to the pledge of allegiance in the 1950s.[/QUOTE]
fuck that's what i meant
sshhhhhhh
[QUOTE=Megafan;37295187]Yes, many things are impermanent, but does that mean we should not care about them? Your condescending attitude does nothing to aid your point, especially not when you describe people calling for equal representation 'whiners'. But no, do tell how not wanting one religious group to be represented above all others in a nation so diverse as this is 'egotistical'.[/QUOTE]
Would you agree that leaving them all entirely blank be a reasonable solution?
I see such intense argument arising over what amounts to be nothing more than a scribble in a recognizable shape..
It should be easy to see that progression as a whole is halted whilst such minor issues are treated as such a 'big deal' in society.
Beliefs as a whole can appear to be diametrically opposed - complete opposites, yet their existence stems from an identical source.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37295307]Would you agree that leaving them all entirely blank be a reasonable solution?
I see such intense argument arising over what amounts to be nothing more than a scribble in a recognizable shape..
It should be easy to see that progression as a whole is halted whilst such minor issues are treated as such a 'big deal' in society.
Beliefs as a whole can appear to be diametrically opposed - complete opposites, yet their existence stems from an identical source.[/QUOTE]
Respect, or in this case the lack of respect, is not just a minor issue. It's a serious concern when certain elements of a multi-cultural society have something like this memorial overshadowed by the religious symbol of a more dominant element. It harbors contention between people.
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