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[QUOTE=Zeke129;46851853]But your constitution disagrees and states aren't allowed to ignore it.[/QUOTE] Which part of the constitution? The Equal Protection clause under the 14th amendment only applies to protected classes, and sexuality is not a protected class. I'm not trying to start shit. I'm just trying to answer his question and lay out the facts in the most respectful manner I can. Don't take this personally.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;46851841]If religion hadn't built Europe you could kiss all that Roman and Greek knowledge bye-bye. and say hello to your new Mongol overlords.[/QUOTE] What the fuck?

[QUOTE=Explosions;46851944]What the fuck?[/QUOTE] What part of it do you not understand? Without the network of the Catholic church most of the ancient knowledge that survived from the days of the Roman empire would've been permanently destroyed by the norse and the mongols.

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[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46852046]What part of it do you not understand? Without the network of the Catholic church most of the ancient knowledge that survived from the days of the Roman empire would've been permanently destroyed by the norse and the mongols.[/QUOTE] What did the church have to do with either of those groups? And why would they have would have destroyed ancient Roman knowledge or whatever? Did the Mongols destroy ancient Chinese knowledge? Persian knowledge? Nope, and the norse didn't do it either. The Mongols had repeatedly shattered European armies during their advance westward. The only thing that stopped them was the death of Ogedei Khan and eventually the Arabs. Can you explain this "network of the Catholic church" for me and what it did at any point in time? [editline]3rd January 2015[/editline] Either way, Moustacheman's post is still baffling because he seems to think that "religion built europe." And it didn't even respond to the post he was quoting.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;46851841]If religion hadn't built Europe you could kiss all that Roman and Greek knowledge bye-bye. and say hello to your new Mongol overlords.[/QUOTE] i don't think christianity stopped the mongols from conquering europe and if you're going to say it was roman & greek knowledge that did, that's not true either, the mongols were alot more sophisticated in matters of war than europeans were [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] and although the catholic church helped preserve alot of knowledge i don't think that would have been destroyed without them

[QUOTE=Explosions;46852082]Did the Mongols destroy ancient Chinese knowledge? Persian knowledge? Nope, and the norse didn't do it either.[/QUOTE] They did. The mongols brutually hacked and sliced their way through Asia and Europe, committing genocide on an industrial scale and burning towns and cities in the process. The mongol invasions was probably one of the worst and most atrocious events in human history, ending with hordes of savages looting the great civilizations: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)[/URL] [quote]The Grand Library of Baghdad, containing countless precious historical documents and books on subjects ranging from medicine to astronomy, was destroyed. Survivors said that the waters of the Tigris ran black with ink from the enormous quantities of books flung into the river and red from the blood of the scientists and philosophers killed.[/quote] In short, the Mongols destroyed a great deal of everything. [quote]The Mongols had repeatedly shattered European armies during their advance westward. The only thing that stopped them was the death of Ogedei Khan and eventually the Arabs.[/quote] To call the Mongols an empire is too much. They were basically hordes of parasites that roamed the plains of Eurasia, and the reason they stopped is largely because they ran out of steam and met with Europe, a place filled with fortified castles and much less wealth (they already looted the best places): [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia_in_the_union_with_Hungary#Mongol_invasion[/URL] [quote]Can you explain this "network of the Catholic church" for me and what it did at any point in time? Either way, Moustacheman's post is still baffling because he seems to think that "religion built europe." And it didn't even respond to the post he was quoting.[/quote] Well to a large degree, the Catholic church did build much of Europe and was a major stabilizing force. Throughout the high middle ages, the Church was responsible for organizing the growth and spread of the monastic system, funding schools and education, promoting philosophy and science, architecture, the literate word, and the revival of rural economies as they promoted internal peace and used excommunication and other threats to stop Kings and Emperors going too far. There were three major revivals in the High Middle Ages, of religion, the economy, and the political systems prevalent throughout Europe. None of these could have survived without the other for support. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;46852186]i don't think christianity stopped the mongols from conquering europe and if you're going to say it was roman & greek knowledge that did, that's not true either, the mongols were alot more sophisticated in matters of war than europeans were[/QUOTE] The Mongols were applying basic principles of statecraft and military that had been pioneered thousands of years earlier by the Chinese, Greeks, Persians, etc. Their warfare wasn't sophisticated because they didn't need logistical systems such as warehouses or armouries, barracks, bureaucracies to manage the armies, etc. All the Mongols did for their supplies was to steal it from the civilized nations and to live on horseback. Genghis Khan was a good general. But he did not invent anything, or do much that was innovative. [quote]and although the catholic church helped preserve alot of knowledge i don't think that would have been destroyed without them[/quote] Almost all of the copies of classical literature we have today were copied or translated by clergymen.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46841637]Still say anything short of all 50 states is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] Even though it's state by state we're still accomplishing it on a timescale similar to Western Europe or do you have another place on this arm of the Milky Way to compare us to?

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46851924]Which part of the constitution? The Equal Protection clause under the 14th amendment only applies to protected classes, and sexuality is not a protected class. I'm not trying to start shit. I'm just trying to answer his question and lay out the facts in the most respectful manner I can. Don't take this personally.[/QUOTE] I don't know, the wording pretty clearly references all citizens: [quote]No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.[/quote] I mean, it says [i]any[/i] person twice.