Dash Cam Catches Police Officer Dropping the Ball. - Polidicks

Please stop cherry picking from my posts. I didn't say everyone is wired to be a cunt, I was stating that enough people are wired to be cunts that you can't reliably build a society that doesn't have good cunt prevention methods. This debate is over, you're twisting my words and ignoring my points.

>heartwarming video of cop playing ball with kid >debate over morality and necessity police officers ensues Why

proof that yawmwen wasn't the problem

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614162'] "Voluntary" work? In a prison? Does this need to be explained? I haven't proposed a justice system tho.[/QUOTE] vol·un·tar·y ˈvälənˌterē/Submit adjective 1. done, given, or acting of one's own free will. I mean unless you're gonna pull some bullshit and say that they're threatened into working. I'm not well versed in prison labor so do please factually enlighten me with citable sources.

as in most cases dumb cunts making jokes about "har har incoming arguments" was a self-fulfilling prophecy

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43614052]The problem is the entire concept is, more than any other, dependent upon a perfect world scenario. Where everything works because everything works.[/QUOTE] Er no. It's all about institutions and societal norms. Just like this society. Even the concepts of "rights" and "justice" are figments of our social imagination that we adhere to because they work out. And yet we base entire systems of law and government and society around them. If you're trying to tell me our ideals are utopian, then I suggest that you might want to do a bit more reading of the theory and philosophy of democracy and justice from the 1700s until about the 1890s, because there's a lot to be said about the ideas. "Perfect world" scenarios don't exist, but many societies do work because the concepts that they base themselves on are agreeable or institutional. This sort of language- "perfect world", "utopian", etc- is thrown around by reactionaries all the time, but it's baseless and easier to fall back on than actually tackling the merits or material basis. If we were proposing that "everything will work just because" then you can argue that we're being utopian. [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;43614179]Please stop cherry picking from my posts. I didn't say everyone is wired to be a cunt, I was stating that enough people are wired to be cunts that you can't reliably build a society that doesn't have good cunt prevention methods. This debate is over, you're twisting my words and ignoring my points.[/QUOTE] No I'm not. What do you want me to do, argue with the points that I agree with you on? "[B]I'm not really in the mood to argue this but the fact that there are people with trillions of dollars in their bank account, who are still working every single day to make more money is a pretty good illustration that you can never satiate the demand of certain people. It's not a society thing, it's a people thing.[/B] [B]The thing all you communists/anarchists and such don't understand is that not everyone is wired the same way as you[/B], you might be quite content to share wealth evenly and work together, and that's excellent, I support your optimism. [B]But not everyone else thinks that way, and it's not just a thing you can program into people, it's the way their brains are wired[/B]. [B]They simply don't think the same way as you[/B], [B]you need to design a society that works for everyone, not a society that works for the wishy washy happy lovely people who never do anything selfish or wrong, because those people are the tiniest minority[/B]." the bold parts are the parts I responded to. look that's like all of it The point of your post was to claim that communitarianism is not the norm and that people are programmed to be greedy or selfish and you gave and example of people who have trillions of dollars and still working. This is what I addressed.

Really though that cop has some arm, I'm proud, and so is Payton manning [img]http://i.minus.com/iYTpipHRpPig9.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614209]vol·un·tar·y ˈvälənˌterē/Submit adjective 1. done, given, or acting of one's own free will. I mean unless you're gonna pull some bullshit and say that they're threatened into working. I'm not well versed in prison labor so do please factually enlighten me with citable sources.[/QUOTE] I'm not even going to give you that. If you seriously can not understand how someone who is literally forced into a prison, might not have the full ability to make decisions based on total free will and not out of necessity, then I'm sorry but I'm not going to waste a paragraph on that one.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614237']Er no. It's all about institutions and societal norms. Just like this society. Even the concepts of "rights" and "justice" are figments of our social imagination that we adhere to because they work out. And yet we base entire systems of law and government and society around them. If you're trying to tell me our ideals are utopian, then I suggest that you might want to do a bit more reading of the theory and philosophy of democracy and justice from the 1700s until about the 1890s, because there's a lot to be said about the ideas. "Perfect world" scenarios don't exist, but many societies do work because the concepts that they base themselves on are agreeable or institutional. This sort of language- "perfect world", "utopian", etc- is thrown around by reactionaries all the time, but it's baseless and easier to fall back on than actually tackling the merits or material basis. If we were proposing that "everything will work just because" then you can argue that we're being utopian. [/QUOTE] So do you have any like sources or citations stating that human beings have absolutely no conscience and guilt is just a thing that society has taught us, or did you just read it on some pseudo-anarchist website?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43613692]The problem with law enforcement is that it's an extension of the state; it's a separate legal entity that imposes its rules on a community whether it likes it or not. Something like an integrated community militia, with elected positions that are accountable to the general public would be much more preferable. Basically it comes down to putting the responsibility of keeping the community safe to the community itself, instead of the state. e: also, what soccerskyman said. In anarchist societies the social order would be structured such to try and avoid situations where people have to resort to criminal acts in the first place, and focus more on restorative justice instead of punitive systems.[/QUOTE] So the majority of police handling police things are Local PD and Sheriff's deputies. Local PD are controlled by the mayor (through the police chief, which is generally an appointed position, though occasionally directly elected), which is an elected community official. Sheriff's deputies are controlled by a Sheriff, which remains almost universally an elected position. Communities do keep communities safe, through election of people tasked with dealing with safety. State law enforcement can get a little iffy, and Federal can obviously cause some serious issues (though if we are being honest, Federal law enforcement violated their constitutional limitations a long time ago.) State troopers are dicks, but they do keep the number of speed demon psychopaths to a minimum, and the state frequently controls some of the more advanced (read: Expensive) investigation resources for looking into serious crimes. Overall, excluding Federal enforcement, it isn't a bad system that does a decent enough job of making sure that the people being policed are also the ones responsible for directly electing the people who control the police. The issue is that people are fucking stupid as shit. They can't even be trusted to elect people who are remotely useful, the thought of them being responsible for policing directly is terrifying. Community policing or tasking everyone with the job of law enforcement would break down in a matter of days at any serious scale.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614237']Er no. It's all about institutions and societal norms. Just like this society. Even the concepts of "rights" and "justice" are figments of our social imagination that we adhere to because they work out. And yet we base entire systems of law and government and society around them.[/QUOTE]This crap is irrelevant, leave it out next time. [quote]If you're trying to tell me our ideals are utopian, then I suggest that you might want to do a bit more reading of the theory and philosophy of democracy and justice from the 1700s until about the 1890s, because there's a lot to be said about the ideas.[/QUOTE]Yeah, much of it disagrees with your ideas until you get towards the later years of that time frame, and that's only some who reinforce your ideas. [quote]"Perfect world" scenarios don't exist, but many societies do work because the concepts that they base themselves on are agreeable or institutional.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this makes no points other than stating the obvious. [quote]This sort of language- "perfect world", "utopian", etc- is thrown around by reactionaries all the time, but it's baseless and easier to fall back on than actually tackling the merits or material basis. If we were proposing that "everything will work just because" then you can argue that we're being utopian.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what you do though. You just go "Well, yeah, there's innumerable problems, and we can make vague, passing remarks about how it'll be fix by *cough cough* but it'll work."

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614298']I'm not even going to give you that. If you seriously can not understand how someone who is literally forced into a prison, might not have the full ability to make decisions based on total free will and not out of necessity, then I'm sorry but I'm not going to waste a paragraph on that one.[/QUOTE] are you for real right now or are you just messing with me, seriously. They're forced into prison because they're deemed as nolonger being able to function as a non-harmful member of society. Since you're unable to retort though I won't bother asking the same question over.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614303]So do you have any like sources or citations stating that human beings have absolutely no conscience and guilt is just a thing that society has taught us, or did you just read it on some pseudo-anarchist website?[/QUOTE] I assume you're talking about what I said on rights and justice. If that's so, I'd like you to define both before I say more. This isn't me refusing to answer the question, this is me asking for you to define these things first.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43614324']I assume you're talking about what I said on rights and justice. If that's so, I'd like you to define both before I say more. This isn't me refusing to answer the question, this is me asking for you to define these things first.[/QUOTE] nah brosky its cool, I've had my fill of talking to ideological nitwits for tonight. Have good one.

oh jeeze what did I start

[QUOTE=Zambies!;43613329]Don't tell the anarchists shhh all cops are bad[/QUOTE] Makes you wonder how yawmwen would go about antagonizing the officer "That cop is a pig, someone should throw a Molotov at him for stopping to play with that kid. what a fucking fascist!"

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43614343]oh jeeze what did I start[/QUOTE] this started it [QUOTE=Zambies!;43613329]Don't tell the anarchists shhh all cops are bad[/QUOTE] haha guys anarchists suck but please don't defend yourselves here!!!

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614323]are you for real right now or are you just messing with me, seriously. They're forced into prison because they're deemed as nolonger being able to function as a non-harmful member of society. Since you're unable to retort though I won't bother asking the same question over.[/QUOTE] Well, if we are being honest, most of the prisoners in America are forced into prison because some moron along the way got it in his head to make private prisons where people profit off imprisoning other human beings. It was, unsurprisingly, extremely lucrative. Now we have the prison industrial complex where the private prison industry controls a sufficient amount of financial clout to effectively lobby for things that put people in prison for longer. Then the prison industry turns around and charges them for their stay and places them into prison labor, garnishing their wages to pay for their presence, and paying them what often amounts of pennies on the dollar. It is slave labor and it is abhorrent. Yet still better than anarchy. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43614312]This crap is irrelevant, leave it out next time. Yeah, much of it disagrees with your ideas until you get towards the later years of that time frame, and that's only some who reinforce your ideas. Yeah, this makes no points other than stating the obvious. That's exactly what you do though. You just go "Well, yeah, there's innumerable problems, and we can make vague, passing remarks about how it'll be fix by *cough cough* but it'll work."[/QUOTE] It's not irrelevant, it's pointing out how this criticism is done to every system. This second selection was in reference to the first point, because much of it, especially democratic political theory, has a lot to do with hoe democracy, rights, and justice, are flimsy, utopian, unrealistic, anarchic, or just plain impossible. It's more common to see criticisms of American and French political institutions or ideals in this light than to see criticisms of communitarianism, which go as far back as Plato and Aristotle. The perfect world sentence makes a point in the context of the above selections. I'm not going to argue for any particular justice system here because I don't really believe in any particular justice system. If you want me to argue in favor for a social or economic or political system, then sure, I can direct you to my numerous other, mostly lengthier than I'm willing to type now, posts where I do just that. Failed to understand the common theme or ignored it, chose instead to focus on individual sentences that were part of the same statement, 6/10 broken critique [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614335]nah brosky its cool, I've had my fill of talking to ideological nitwits for tonight. Have good one.[/QUOTE] Aw man at least I don't call you a nitwit for disagreeing with me.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614335]nah brosky its cool, I've had my fill of talking to ideological nitwits for tonight. Have good one.[/QUOTE] How childish

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;43614346]Makes you wonder how yawmwen would go about antagonizing the officer "That cop is a pig, someone should throw a Molotov at him for stopping to play with that kid. what a fucking fascist!"[/QUOTE] The dude got arrested 5 times supposedly.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43614352]this started it haha guys anarchists suck but please don't defend yourselves here!!![/QUOTE] I dont know what these people expect when we cant even get 10 posts into a thread about police without someone making a preemptive jab at anarchist strawmen in order to stroke their own superiority-complex and then have the gall to get offended when people try to correct them (politely, at first, then it just devolves into flaming)

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614335]nah brosky its cool, I've had my fill of talking to ideological nitwits for tonight. Have good one.[/QUOTE] take a load oh this guy. what a fucker, thinks so highly of himself. what you're not liberal or conservative ? bwahahaah nitwit. oh simplistic of a world view when you hold us..

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43614410]How childish[/QUOTE] childish insult for a childish ideology ;) [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitposting" - Gurant))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43614583]childish insult for a childish ideology ;)[/QUOTE] are you serious right now or are you just fucking with us

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43614622]are you serious right now or are you just fucking with us[/QUOTE] report for trolling and move on :)

In response to a post on the last page: NOBODY on the Earth is a trillionaire. Companies at times, when adjusted for inflation, have had a market cap of a trillion dollars or more, but no individual has ever amassed that much money.

Why cant some people realize that this guy did a nice thing.

[QUOTE=Malandrix;43614883]Why cant some people realize that this guy did a nice thing.[/QUOTE] Because he's police and police are evil, therefore his actions are irrelevant unless he did something evil.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;43613596]Out of genuine respect and curiosity. If not cops, than what we would we have to ensure safety and order of communities?[/QUOTE] Everyone would, like, just get along, man.