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[QUOTE=Explosions;48080066]Rolling out the strawman before anyone even mentions this.[/QUOTE] It would be a strawman if it wasn't for people with a mindset like yours and Spirit_Breakers. I bet BDA would be happy to hear that it's a strawman but sadly it isn't.

[QUOTE=Explosions;48080066]Rolling out the strawman before anyone even mentions this.[/QUOTE] Sorry that my ironic jab blew your chance to make the same comment seriously. I'll wait for you to cock everything up on your own accord before replying next time.

[QUOTE=Pelican;48080469]yeah I too am confused. now, I am new to this terminology, but most FPerss fit what americans call "liberals" (except for the guns part oh boy), thus they are quite the opposite of what our friendly mod has posted interesting[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1472081[/url]

[QUOTE=Killuah;48080532]It would be a strawman if it wasn't for people with a mindset like yours and Spirit_Breakers. I bet BDA would be happy to hear that it's a strawman but sadly it isn't.[/QUOTE] Explosions is wholly against religion and religious extremism in any form. He's not a racist or an islamophobe in the formal sense. He just sees religion and cruel religions like the abrahamic ones especially, being a pretty bad thing to defend in a modern world. I'm betting you'll be hard pressed to find Explosions saying "Anyone who is muslim is human garbage" and more something along the lines of "The religion in the region causes a great deal of human suffering due to human actions through the religions of the region.". If religion is causing damage, even if it's just by the people who misuse it, then I think it's fair to say it's related to the people causing the damage.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080553]Explosions is wholly against religion and religious extremism in any form. He's not a racist or an islamophobe in the formal sense. He just sees religion and cruel religions like the abrahamic ones especially, being a pretty bad thing to defend in a modern world. I'm betting you'll be hard pressed to find Explosions saying "Anyone who is muslim is human garbage" and more something along the lines of "The religion in the region causes a great deal of human suffering due to human actions through the religions of the region.". If religion is causing damage, even if it's just by the people who misuse it, then I think it's fair to say it's related to the people causing the damage.[/QUOTE] im sorry I can't take explosions seriously after he said jesus didn't exist

[QUOTE=Pelican;48080566]im sorry I can't take explosions seriously after he said jesus didn't exist[/QUOTE] It's debatable if he did or not or to what extent our historical idea of jesus is accurate. Go ahead and just dismiss anyone who holds that opinion but there's no evidence that the son of god ever lived.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080553]Explosions is wholly against religion and religious extremism in any form. He's not a racist or an islamophobe in the formal sense. He just sees religion and cruel religions like the abrahamic ones especially, being a pretty bad thing to defend in a modern world. I'm betting you'll be hard pressed to find Explosions saying "Anyone who is muslim is human garbage" and more something along the lines of "The religion in the region causes a great deal of human suffering due to human actions through the religions of the region.". If religion is causing damage, even if it's just by the people who misuse it, then I think it's fair to say it's related to the people causing the damage.[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1389953&p=44697345&highlight=muslim#post44697345[/url]

[QUOTE=Killuah;48080589][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1389953&p=44697345&highlight=muslim#post44697345[/url][/QUOTE] what is your point and how does just posting that post make a self confirming argument that explosions is worth ignoring without even considering what he says? What did he say there that said "MUSLIMS ARE GARBAGE"?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080574]It's debatable if he did or not or to what extent our historical idea of jesus is accurate. Go ahead and just dismiss anyone who holds that opinion but there's no evidence that the son of god ever lived.[/QUOTE] I'm actually speechless oh my goodness these people actually exist

[QUOTE=Pelican;48080636]I'm actually speechless oh my goodness these people actually exist[/QUOTE] So did the son of god himself walk the earth and you know this to be true 100%? Jesus, as a man, might have existed in the region at the time. But again, we're basically just falling back on Pontius Pilates for the majority of that evidence. But hey, good job disregarding people without logical reasons

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080553]Explosions is wholly against religion and religious extremism in any form. He's not a racist or an islamophobe in the formal sense. He just sees religion and cruel religions like the abrahamic ones especially, being a pretty bad thing to defend in a modern world. I'm betting you'll be hard pressed to find Explosions saying "Anyone who is muslim is human garbage" and more something along the lines of "The religion in the region causes a great deal of human suffering due to human actions through the religions of the region.". If religion is causing damage, even if it's just by the people who misuse it, then I think it's fair to say it's related to the people causing the damage.[/QUOTE] Please understand that it's really annoying to see people constantly bash at our religion whenever the chance shows up. I don't see how our religion can't just work in today's world. We live just fine with each other in daily life ? As always, it's the vocal minority (including atheists) that looks for trouble when there is none. Where did tolerance go ? Why can't we just live in peace and accept our differences ? Okay, it might be off-topic from your post since I'm talking about the West while you're pointing out issues in the Middle-East, but the hate spreads over here too.

[QUOTE=Nabile13;48080689]Please understand that it's really annoying to see people constantly bash at our religion whenever the chance shows up. I don't see how our religion can't just work in today's world. We live just fine with each other in daily life ? As always, it's the vocal minority (including atheists) that looks for trouble when there is none. Where did tolerance go ? Why can't we just live in peace and accept our differences ? Okay, it might be off-topic from your post since I'm talking about the West while you're pointing out issues in the Middle-East, but the hate spreads over here too.[/QUOTE] I don't seek to take religion away from anyone, I just wish people would walk away from it on their own free will. You pick and choose your morality out of whatever holy book you have. Every religious group on earth does this. They pick and choose from their holy text. To me, I see this as a contradiction of gods word, if it was to be gods word. The bible is said to be the word of god, if it is to be so, and it contains contradictions, or you put it on yourself to make judgement on gods words as to how best to live your life, to me, this is an entire contradiction of the purpose of religion as stated by itself. It's fine to be religious, I'm not going to stop you or anyone else. Does that mean I'm going to lie and say i think religion is a good thing? No, to me, religion is not a good thing and causes innumerable sufferings in a way that atheism just can't be used for as it isn't a belief system, it's a singular belief tied into peoples belief systems. You cannot use atheism, or do something in the name of atheism, without that just simply being your own ideology at work.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48080535]Sorry that my ironic jab blew your chance to make the same comment seriously. I'll wait for you to cock everything up on your own accord before replying next time.[/QUOTE] But you two cock things up [I]together[/I] it's sorta cute

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080701]I don't seek to take religion away from anyone, I just wish people would walk away from it on their own free will. You pick and choose your morality out of whatever holy book you have. Every religious group on earth does this. They pick and choose from their holy text. To me, I see this as a contradiction of gods word, if it was to be gods word. The bible is said to be the word of god, if it is to be so, and it contains contradictions, or you put it on yourself to make judgement on gods words as to how best to live your life, to me, this is an entire contradiction of the purpose of religion as stated by itself. It's fine to be religious, I'm not going to stop you or anyone else. Does that mean I'm going to lie and say i think religion is a good thing? No, to me, religion is not a good thing and causes innumerable sufferings in a way that atheism just can't be used for as it isn't a belief system, it's a singular belief tied into peoples belief systems. You cannot use atheism, or do something in the name of atheism, without that just simply being your own ideology at work.[/QUOTE] That still doesn't tackle the point of the first page that somehow "good deeds=not in the name of religion" but "bad deeds= in the name of religion"

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48080275]It doesn't exist? You literally have a member here(now permabanned) that said and I quote: [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] hell, browse all the other islam-related threads and you'll see the hivemind of hatred and generalizations wtf[/QUOTE] Funny, you'd think that people would've dissagree with them. [B]Oh wait they did.[/B] A hivemind would mean that everyone, INCLUDING the admins, would agree with that sentiment. Of course, trying to make your case like you're going up against insurmountable odds is a great way to get some internet sympathy points using fluff words and rhetoric instead of actual content.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Unless you are a liberal. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/A42fOIv.png[/IMG] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080701]I don't seek to take religion away from anyone, I just wish people would walk away from it on their own free will. You pick and choose your morality out of whatever holy book you have. Every religious group on earth does this. They pick and choose from their holy text. To me, I see this as a contradiction of gods word, if it was to be gods word. The bible is said to be the word of god, if it is to be so, and it contains contradictions, or you put it on yourself to make judgement on gods words as to how best to live your life, to me, this is an entire contradiction of the purpose of religion as stated by itself. It's fine to be religious, I'm not going to stop you or anyone else. Does that mean I'm going to lie and say i think religion is a good thing? No, to me, religion is not a good thing and causes innumerable sufferings in a way that atheism just can't be used for as it isn't a belief system, it's a singular belief tied into peoples belief systems. You cannot use atheism, or do something in the name of atheism, without that just simply being your own ideology at work.[/QUOTE] But what if people are just fine with it ? Religion is a theory that is as equal as any other. I'm not against your idea that religion is a bad thing, I'm against people that hates it and discriminates the people that practice it. When we use the term "atheist" to describe horrible events commited by them, we're just making it clear that it's not the religion's fault for causing these things to happen, but from the individuals themselves, since it's a misconception that is widespread. Religion is often used as a shield to perpetrate horrible stuff, that doesn't make it a bad thing. Even without religion there's going to be something else to use as a pretext to commit horrible things.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;48080806]That's just one dumb clown. The hivemind in question isn't in this thread, in such threads like positive stuff its all silent, just look at "ISIS murders X" or "Immigration in UK" threads.[/QUOTE] So shitposting is sanctioned if its mod sanctioned and within their purviews?

i didn't expect spirit_breaker to let loose in this thread and conjure the worst stuff possible one can put out of their mouth

[QUOTE=Swilly;48080825]So shitposting is sanctioned if its mod sanctioned and within their purviews?[/QUOTE] usually the mods views are not retarded xenophobic bullshit.

[QUOTE=Killuah;48080725]That still doesn't tackle the point of the first page that somehow "good deeds=not in the name of religion" but "bad deeds= in the name of religion"[/QUOTE] If all good deeds are done in the name of religion, then atheists such as myself are fully incapable of committing "good deeds". So, because we know atheists are capable of doing good deeds, it would seem that religion is not the source of good deeds, but basic human emapthy is. People don't need religion to be good. But as the famous saying goes It takes religion to make a good man do evil things. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;48080848]usually the mods views are not retarded xenophobic bullshit.[/QUOTE] So not liking religion is now being a xenophobic? I'm sorry, but what?

killuah i think you mean 'islamophobia'

[QUOTE=Nabile13;48080795]But what if people are just fine with it ? Religion is a theory that is as equal as any other. I'm not against your idea that religion is a bad thing, I'm against people that hates it and discriminates the people that practice it. When we use the term "atheist" to describe horrible events commited by them, we're just making it clear that it's not the religion's fault for causing these things to happen, but from the individuals themselves, since it's a misconception that is widespread. Religion is often used as a shield to perpetrate horrible stuff, that doesn't make it a bad thing. Even without religion there's going to be something else to use as a pretext to commit horrible things.[/QUOTE] It isn't equal though and to say it is is to disregard the reality of evidence and proof that we have about any religion. Is Thor real? No, you don't believe in Norse gods? BUT HOW CAN'T YOU? THEY'RE REAL! There's over 10,000 gods in human history. How does ANYONE know which god is the real one?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080855]So not liking religion is now being a xenophobic? I'm sorry, but what?[/QUOTE] He didn't say that at all and BDA is talking about people like spirit_breaker who think islam is "cancer" it's not even religion related sometimes, it's literally arab-hate

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;48080873]Okay, people don't NEED religion to be good. Since when do people NEED religion to be bad?[/QUOTE] People don't need religion to do bad, but it certainly helps. Being convinced of your views 100%, believing god is on your side and has your back, and people don't see ANY WAY THAT CAN BE ABUSED?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080887]People don't need religion to do bad, but it certainly helps. Being convinced of your views 100%, believing god is on your side and has your back, and people don't see ANY WAY THAT CAN BE ABUSED?[/QUOTE] Everything is abused for selfish reasons, not just religion, why do people attack this one in particular just because the media blasts it all over social networks

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48080900]Everything is abused for selfish reasons, not just religion, why do people attack this one in particular just because the media blasts it all over social networks[/QUOTE] Yes, but not everything is the same as having the complete and utter confidence that the creator of all things WANTS you to do what you're going to do. Nothing I, as an atheist can feel, is similar or even relatable to that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080855]If all good deeds are done in the name of religion, then atheists such as myself are fully incapable of committing "good deeds". So, because we know atheists are capable of doing good deeds, it would seem that religion is not the source of good deeds, but basic human emapthy is. People don't need religion to be good. But as the famous saying goes It takes religion to make a good man do evil things. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] So not liking religion is now being a xenophobic? I'm sorry, but what?[/QUOTE] Your saying is wrong. On the other hand, religion can push individuals to pursue good deeds and live a healthy life by following their beliefs. It still is a source of good deeds after all. There's another saying that you might like better: It is preferable to have kind non-religious people rather than evil religious people.

[QUOTE=Nabile13;48080918]Your saying is wrong. On the other hand, religion can push individuals to pursue good deeds and live a healthy life by following their beliefs. It still is a source of good deeds after all. There's another saying that you might like better: It is preferable to have kind non-religious people rather than evil religious people.[/QUOTE] And if your holy book says, as the christian and jewish book both say "Stone your disobedient children". What do you do? Do you stone them? Or do you disobey gods word on earth and do what YOU think is best because you know better than god? So why do you need god or religion? [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] When you find something you disagree with in a holy book, that you follow, how do you reconcile that without changing what god meant, changing what the words written down are, without dilluting it to the point where YOU are picking the morals you want. Religion is advertised as the source of morality, but if you're picking and choosing as even the fucking Pope does, then aren't you being a tiny bit disengenous?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080932]And if your holy book says, as the christian and jewish book both say "Stone your disobedient children". What do you do? Do you stone them? Or do you disobey gods word on earth and do what YOU think is best because you know better than god? So why do you need god or religion?[/QUOTE] It is stated on ours to adapt to our society. We should do our best to follow anything that is possible. And we still respect other human beings. We aren't monsters. As for the other question, this is personal preference. I believe in this theory, and it is as valid as any other. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48080880]There's over 10,000 gods in human history. How does ANYONE know which god is the real one?[/QUOTE] Personal preference. Some may look at what truths are presented to them and decide to follow a certain religion.