• Russia 'seizes' Greenpeace ship. 29 arrested at gunpoint.
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Greenpeace frequently employs questionable, even extreme, tactics in their campaigns, but as our planetary ecosystem continues to degrade, I can at least understand their position. It's a shame that they can't work within the system in a more fulfilling way, because attempting to literally sabotage industries and equipment is only serving to hurt their cause by driving away the sort of moderate people whom they should be trying to appeal to. If they "win" by sabotaging an oil rig, they prevent a few more days of drilling, but ensure that the drilling efforts will continue for longer by legitimizing their message as being radical. [QUOTE=Stroma;42248137]you dont believe in ufos? and also, that's only one of the five links i provided. that one also doesn't have any actual scientific evidence, so its ok if you disregard it[/QUOTE] Fine then, ignoring your hilarious UFO Conspiracy Theory source, the issue with the core of the anti-GMO argument is that the only potentially dangerous health risks that have ever been uncovered by research into GMO foods has been found to be caused by the pesticides that were being used on them, not the foods themselves. [QUOTE=Sableye;42248133]because GMOs are more drought, blight, and pesticide resistant, while simultaniously having double the yeild of natural crops is a bad thing? we're approaching 8 billion, we can't afford to go o-natural this probably means russia considers greenpeace a terrorist organisation now right? in which case the stakes just got higher[/QUOTE] I agree with you completely, which makes what I'm about to do even harder. This is really pointlessly trivial, and I apologize in advance, but it is simply beyond my control at this point: [I]Au naturel[/I].
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;42248221]Vaccinations are sorta dangerous, in that they [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21880755]weaken your immune system's ability to produce it's own antibodies, making you susceptible to other strains.[/url] The main issue with GMOs is, they're a fat-tailed risk. (Quoting Nassim Nicholas Taleb) That means that if things go bad, they go catastrophically bad, usually irreversibly. Nothing humans have introduced in modern times has made us unconditionally better without unpredictable side effects, and ones that are usually detected with considerable delays (transfats, steroids, tobacco, Thalidomide, etc.)[/QUOTE] Slightly weakened immune system versus dying from any number of dozens of diseases. Eh, I'll take the not dying when I'm eleven.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42248324]Slightly weakened immune system versus dying from any number of dozens of diseases. Eh, I'll take the not dying when I'm eleven.[/QUOTE] Yeah unfortunately all that slightly weakened immune system stacks up and eventually you can't get by without antibodies being pumped into you to strengthen your now non-functional immune system, as you just described. Can you see how problematic that is?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;42248595]Yeah unfortunately all that slightly weakened immune system stacks up and eventually you can't get by without antibodies being pumped into you to strengthen your now non-functional immune system, as you just described. Can you see how problematic that is?[/QUOTE] Bullshit. This is only maybe true for influenza, and not true for any other vaccination.
Can we forget GMO's and get the fuck back to the topic? They're protesting the presence of oil companies in the arctic circle. Places that are only starting to become suitable for drilling because of melting ice. Their stance is perfectly valid. The last thing arctic needs is shit loads of oil companies and tankers. [editline]19th September 2013[/editline] They were protesting this giant piece of shit: [video=youtube;3GMO4S0eIy0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GMO4S0eIy0[/video]
[QUOTE=MIPS;42247746] Good to see someone is willing to drag Greenpeace to jail because Fuck them and their tactics.[/QUOTE] How is blockading in the ocean with boats and interfering with drilling any different from blockading on land and interfering with logging in the rainforest Why "fuck their tactics"? What's different about their tactics when compared to any non-aquatic protest? Or is this just more of Facepunch Right Wing Edition's uninformed anti-environmentalism circlejerk
They were in international waters, and I can't find anything in the article saying the 4 members who tried to board the oil rig were part of the Arctic Sunrise. Russia has no business taking over ships at gunpoint. Also oil drilling in melting Arctic areas is pretty bad man.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42248915] Russia has no business taking over ships at gunpoint.[/QUOTE] considering their recent actions in general, do you think they really give a shit?
[QUOTE=zombini;42247891]Not sure what to think, one one hand, woo, because lots of them are pricks that disrupt different industries, like how in the article they tried to stop an oil rig from drilling. On the other hand, it's suppression of a public opinion on oil drilling and nuclear reactors and such.[/QUOTE] I don't care what your opinion is, if you try to hijack a fucking drilling platform, you deserve to get busted.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42248915]They were in international waters, and I can't find anything in the article saying the 4 members who tried to board the oil rig were part of the Arctic Sunrise. Russia has no business taking over ships at gunpoint. Also oil drilling in melting Arctic areas is pretty bad man.[/QUOTE] If people tried to get onto you're Oil Rig Platform to disrupt it you're jimmies would get pretty rustled enough to send the military out there too
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;42249039]If people tried to get onto you're Oil Rig Platform to disrupt it you're jimmies would get pretty rustled enough to send the military out there too[/QUOTE] Most countries don't deploy the military to deal with protesters It's par for the course for Russia but with the direction Russia has been heading lately now is the [i]worst[/i] time to stop holding them to a higher standard
I was once offered a job at Greenpeace and I had no idea who or what they were. I almost took it but I told a bunch of people about it and they all told me not to take the job.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42248914]How is blockading in the ocean with boats and interfering with drilling any different from blockading on land and interfering with logging in the rainforest Why "fuck their tactics"? What's different about their tactics when compared to any non-aquatic protest? Or is this just more of Facepunch Right Wing Edition's uninformed anti-environmentalism circlejerk[/QUOTE] Seems less anti-environmentalist and more anti-Greenpeace to me. Isn't Facepunch in general usually FOR environmental protection?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42249052]Most countries don't deploy the military to deal with protesters [/QUOTE] Most protesters don't go to the arctic and board another countries oil platform in international waters.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;42249074]Seems less anti-environmentalist and more anti-Greenpeace to me. Isn't Facepunch in general usually FOR environmental protection?[/QUOTE] Yeah. Greenpeace is also anti-Nuclear, and Facepunch is pro-Nuclear.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;42249074]Seems less anti-environmentalist and more anti-Greenpeace to me. Isn't Facepunch in general usually FOR environmental protection?[/QUOTE] I have no problem with environmental protection, I just dislike greenpeace for their sensationalism and ham fisted approach to issues
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;42249074]Seems less anti-environmentalist and more anti-Greenpeace to me. Isn't Facepunch in general usually FOR environmental protection?[/QUOTE] The problem with Greenpeace akin to PETA is that most of it is based off of sensationalism and a money-making scheme with no actual goal to help the environment by the upper echelons in the corporation. The activists are deluded into thinking they're helping Environmental protection but they're not and just furthering the sensationalism that Green Peace and PETA are trying to achieve. It's a money making racket.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;42249127]I have no problem with environmental protection, I just dislike greenpeace for their sensationalism and ham fisted approach to issues[/QUOTE] Absolutely agreed. Greenpeace are largely radical environmentalists and go to absurd ends. The group might have started out with good intentions but now they're actively ignoring common sense and scientific evidence to further their agenda.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42248914]How is blockading in the ocean with boats and interfering with drilling any different from blockading on land and interfering with logging in the rainforest Why "fuck their tactics"? What's different about their tactics when compared to any non-aquatic protest? Or is this just more of Facepunch Right Wing Edition's uninformed anti-environmentalism circlejerk[/QUOTE] there is no difference they are both eco-terrorist cunts
[QUOTE=abcpea;42249202]there is no difference they are both eco-terrorist cunts[/QUOTE] pretty much. they can't raise enough public support, so they resort to illegal tactics and then cry when they get arrested.
[QUOTE=abcpea;42249202]there is no difference they are both eco-terrorist cunts[/QUOTE] At least they're doing something. Do you think russia gives two shits about normal protests? Better than you sitting on your ass with your holier than thou attitude.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42249277]At least they're doing something. Do you think russia gives two shits about normal protests? Better than you sitting on your ass with your holier than thou attitude.[/QUOTE] Depends largely on the group, their cause, and their methods. For example, Greenpeace and PETA have gotten a (justifiably) bad reputation because of their extremist tactics and their tendency to spread dangerous misinformation. Some of their cause might be perfectly well intended, but that doesn't justify some of the actions that are taken.
[QUOTE=aydin690;42249277]At least they're doing something. Do you think russia gives two shits about normal protests? Better than you sitting on your ass with your holier than thou attitude.[/QUOTE] What makes you think they give any more of a shit about these guys? They just sent the military out and arrested them all. the only way of stopping them would be through diplomatic force, which will never happen because everyones scared of treading on russia's toes
[QUOTE=aydin690;42249277]At least they're doing something. Do you think russia gives two shits about normal protests? Better than you sitting on your ass with your holier than thou attitude.[/QUOTE] haha yeah, [I]I'm[/I] the one with the holier than thou attitude!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42248914]How is blockading in the ocean with boats and interfering with drilling any different from blockading on land and interfering with logging in the rainforest Why "fuck their tactics"? What's different about their tactics when compared to any non-aquatic protest? Or is this just more of Facepunch Right Wing Edition's uninformed anti-environmentalism circlejerk[/QUOTE] They're annoying. Between breaking into gas plants to hanging shit off the Lions Gate Bridge, as mentioned they have a history of sabotage. One day they'll rig something and it will royally fuck up and god knows what could happen. It's an insult to even link them with Canada. I'm not saying they suck for raiding platforms. I'm saying fuck them altogether.
i consider what russia is doing more eco-terrorism than anything green peace can do
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42249990]i consider what russia is doing more eco-terrorism than anything green peace can do[/QUOTE] how?
they're terrorism the environment and underwater eco-systems
Boarding vessels is no joke.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42250027]they're terrorism the environment and underwater eco-systems[/QUOTE] its just an oil rig
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