• Russia 'seizes' Greenpeace ship. 29 arrested at gunpoint.
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[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42247917]They're literally against something that would save millions of lives because it would save people in areas where they die of Vitamin A deficit. I'm talking millions of people a year, but lol no cause gmo bad.[/QUOTE] I hate to be that guy but at 7.28 billion people and growing, do we really need to add "millions of people a year" to that number? Maybe we should worry about ending world hunger after we've figured out how to deal with the whole overpopulation thing first. [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=abcpea;42250231]its just an oil rig[/QUOTE] The BP oil rig was also just an oil rig. You know, the one that suffered a valve malfunction which caused literal tons of unrefined oil to leak out into the ocean, which we're [I]still[/I] fucking cleaning up, and will be for the foreseeable future?
Good riddance. Greenpeace are a bunch of eco-terrorists, nothing more.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42251803]Good riddance. Greenpeace are a bunch of eco-terrorists, nothing more.[/QUOTE] Counter terrorists win. To the person contesting use of the military against them. They could have been anybody, with any intention better safe than sorry.
why are people okay with russian soldiers storming and seizing a dutch ship? because of GMO's??? what are you people talking about
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252391]why are people okay with russian soldiers storming and seizing a dutch ship? because of GMO's??? what are you people talking about[/QUOTE] People are okay with it because greenpeace tried to board the rig without the permission, plain and simple
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252391]why are people okay with russian soldiers storming and seizing a dutch ship? because of GMO's??? what are you people talking about[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with GMOs. You don't go around boarding vessels.
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252495]It has nothing to do with GMOs. You don't go around boarding vessels.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;42252491]People are okay with it because greenpeace tried to board the rig without the permission, plain and simple[/QUOTE] [quote]One of the activists told the BBC that about 15 men in balaclavas seized the Arctic Sunrise ship in the Barents Sea. This comes a day after four Greenpeace members tried to board a Russian oil platform to prevent it from drilling.[/quote] where's the proof that the ship was involved? i know that russia doesnt care much for a justice process, but i assumed people on fp did
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252515]where's the proof that the ship was involved? i know that russia doesnt care much for a justice process, but i assumed people on fp did[/QUOTE] Perhaps the FSB guys witnessed the people who attempted to board originating from that vessel? Or maybe it was really fucking obvious that the Greenpeace activists originated from the Greenpeace vessel?
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252547]Perhaps the FSB guys witnessed the people who attempted to board originating from that vessel? Or maybe it was really fucking obvious that the Greenpeace activists originated from the Greenpeace vessel?[/QUOTE] "fucking obvious" doesnt mean anything when you're talking about law. you don't barge into a ship in international waters its a dutch ship, ergo its under dutch law. just because they're green peace doesnt mean that the russians should be allowed to whatever they want.
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252495]It has nothing to do with GMOs. You don't go around boarding vessels.[/QUOTE] all the more reason to hold the Russian military in contempt then
Watch the video. The Arctic Sunrise was nearby. [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;42252568]all the more reason to hold the Russian military in contempt then[/QUOTE] Well you do when it's in response to a prior incident.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252515]where's the proof that the ship was involved? i know that russia doesnt care much for a justice process, but i assumed people on fp did[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.vedomosti.ru/accidents/news/15558871/aktivistam-grinpis-udalos-protiv-planov-exxonmobil-i]The ship entered the Kara sea without the permission[/url] [quote]Greenpeace ship went on the Northern Sea Route, despite the administration's refusal to allow the ship to pass, as the organization believes this decision was an illegal attempt to suppress a peaceful protest.[/quote]
gah -snip-
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;42252586]So if you use a green peace vessel nobody is allowed to arrest you for boarding ships without permission? brb telling friend in somalia, this will save him alot of hassle.[/QUOTE] You badly misinterpreted my post.
[QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;42252582][url=http://www.vedomosti.ru/accidents/news/15558871/aktivistam-grinpis-udalos-protiv-planov-exxonmobil-i]The ship entered the Kara sea without the permission[/url][/QUOTE] ok but it was stormed in international waters. the russians dont get to enact their own law whenever they want. the russians did this without informing the dutch acc. to: [url]http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/3580798/greenpeace-eist-vrijlating-activisten.html[/url] [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;42252586]So if you use a green peace vessel nobody is allowed to arrest you for boarding ships without permission? brb telling friend in somalia, this will save him alot of hassle.[/QUOTE] its not a "greenpeace" vessel, its a fucking dutch vessel. do you know why its called a pirate vessel?
To everyone going 'hurr they shouldn't have sent the military' : do you [b]really[/b] think anything less would stop greenpeace from being an annoyance / trying to board drilling rigs
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252567]"fucking obvious" doesnt mean anything when you're talking about law. you don't barge into a ship in international waters[/QUOTE] You do when members of its crew are intruding on one of your vessels. You're acting like it was an unprovoked attack.
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252643]You do when members of its crew are intruding on one of your vessels. You're acting like it was an unprovoked attack.[/QUOTE] once again no proof was brought forward that the members of its crew intruded on the rig. considering they didnt tell the dutch government, YES its an unprovoked attack. why are we suspending international law for the russian military? do you really hate greenpeace that much that youre willing to pervert the course of justice to hold a bunch of people in jail with no [b]trial or due process?[/b]
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252649]once again no proof was brought forward that the members of its crew intruded on the rig.[/QUOTE] So the Greenpeace RHIBs just sailed the hundred or so nautical miles on their own and had nothing to do with the loitering Dutch-flagged Greenpeace vessel? [QUOTE]considering they didnt tell the dutch government, YES its an provoked attack. [/QUOTE] So you concede that it was a provoked attack.
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252674]So you concede that it was a provoked attack.[/QUOTE] What? [quote]considering they didnt tell the dutch government, YES its an [b]unprovoked attack.[/b] [/quote] He says the exact opposite.
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252674]So the Greenpeace RHIBs just sailed the hundred or so nautical miles on their own and had nothing to do with the loitering Dutch-flagged Greenpeace vessel? [/QUOTE] i really dont care about whatever supposed events unfolded, theres supposed to be a trial for that what i do care about is the rights of a protest group, especially against a government which seeks to bend international law for its own use [QUOTE=Apache249;42252674]So you concede that it was a provoked attack.[/QUOTE] mistyped nyoro~
Alright, since you have corrected your error, are you saying that it was unprovoked because they didn't inform the Dutch?
[QUOTE=thisispain;42252649]once again no proof was brought forward that the members of its crew intruded on the rig. considering they didnt tell the dutch government, YES its an provoked attack. why are we suspending international law for the russian military? do you really hate greenpeace that much that youre willing to pervert the course of justice to hold a bunch of people in jail with no [b]trial or due process?[/b][/QUOTE] They aren't being thrown in the jail with no trial, they were towed to Murmansk for an investigation And according to [url=http://www.rg.ru/2013/09/20/reg-szfo/obvineniye-anons.html]this[/url], the vessel actually breached the 500 meter exclusion zone around the rig, thus entering the RF's economic zone
i'd trust the word of ANY protest group in the world over the word of the russian government
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42252697]i'd trust the word of ANY protest group in the world over the word of the russian government[/QUOTE] Neither are particularly trustworthy in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252688]Alright, since you have corrected your error, are you saying that it was unprovoked because they didn't inform the Dutch?[/QUOTE] considering they broke international code of conduct and are holding people against their will at gunpoint without contacting the government that ship flies under, it was completely unprovoked. that vessel served no danger and didnt break any laws by being where they were. if they supposedly broke russian laws then fine, but they were not prosecuted under any russian law. do you understand whats going on here? its like if russia went into another country and held another country's citizen under gunpoint because of something they "supposedly" did. why are we cool with this? the dutch government is outraged, the prime minister of the netherlands is like "you guys are not allowed to do that btw".
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252688]Alright, since you have corrected your error, are you saying that it was unprovoked because they didn't inform the Dutch?[/QUOTE] First of all, the coast guard has no jurisdiction in international waters so it should at the very least have been the navy who boarded them. Second there has to be a valid suspicion of a committed crime or you need permission from the hosting country (the Netherlands in this case).
[QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;42252691]They aren't being thrown in the jail with no trial, they were towed to Murmansk for an investigation[/QUOTE] umm theyre being held against their will without a trial. they might not be in a building called a jail, but they are in a stage of bondage. [QUOTE]An exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is a seazone prescribed by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea over which a state has special rights over the exploration and use of marine resources, including energy production from water and wind.[1] It stretches from the baseline out to 200 nautical miles from its coast. In colloquial usage, the term may include the territorial sea and [/QUOTE] exploration and use of marine resources. it can still be international waters
[QUOTE=mobrockers;42252718]First of all, the coast guard has no jurisdiction in international waters so it should at the very least have been the navy who boarded them. Second there has to be a valid suspicion of a committed crime or you need permission from the hosting country (the Netherlands in this case).[/QUOTE] How is it being a Dutch-flagged Greenpeace vessel in the vicinity of a boarding operation by small boats with limited range not a valid suspicion?
[QUOTE=Apache249;42252741]How is it being a Dutch-flagged Greenpeace vessel in the vicinity of a boarding operation by small boats with limited range not a valid suspicion?[/QUOTE] So somehow it justifies the Russians boarding the ship, holding them to gunpoint, and taking them away?
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