USA vs Japan round 2: Japan's Suidobashi Heavy Industry accepts challenge from MegaBots to have a gi
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48135046]Mechs like this are the fedora of armoured warfare.[/QUOTE]
The fedora of armoured warfare are know-it-alls that constantly go "oh but they're useless" "any modern fighter can easily take it out with a air-to-ground missile" "what's the point anyway"
The point of mechs is that they look cool.
That's it.
That's all there is to it.
That's all there NEEDS to be to it.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uUb25Wd.jpg[/img]
a cop once gave me a sticker that says jr deputy
i now know more about the law than a lawyer and im willing to show my superior knowledge in any debate by bringing up this point
[QUOTE=Swilly;48135411]We don't know what will happen in the future, for all we know mechs might become the king or not.
But expecting an engineer, who hasn't even graduated yet, and bunch of armchair generals on the internet to know the future? That's like expecting /pol/ to be right about everything because they're sensible.[/QUOTE]
but everyone else is nasty liberal arts students or business students I took one class on this I know whats up
I really look forward to seeing where this goes. The biggest problem is powering the beasts, but in an arena setting you can usually work around that with gas or diesel generators since range isn't a problem. Not like they're trying to build the next actual battlemech here, afaik most of the problems with things like these only show up when you try to do serious things with them.
[QUOTE] "Giant robots are Japanese culture."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"...Its really American"[/QUOTE]
They sure talked some shit.
Good luck America. Megas XLR that shit.
They will awkwardly lumber around and paint each other pretty colours.
I can see how the idea of two giant robots go at each other sounds cool but these things are not 'mechs' in my eyes since they roll around on wheels.
This isn't going to be anywhere near as exciting as it's going to be made out to be.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48135046]Well I actually do have enough engineering background to tell you these things are a worthless pile of trash engineering wise, and you can ask anybody who ever had a hand in actual vehicular combat and they will tell you nothing like this is ever going to work.
Mechs like this are the fedora of armoured warfare.[/QUOTE]
"Hey guy's look at me! I'm superior to you silly people with things like imagination. Just look at my nondescript engineering background!"
[editline]6th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48135193]I guess that's barely relevant in the long run but the bottom line is that once it happens it's going to be underwhelming even to people who are looking towards it now, I am calling it.[/QUOTE]
Why the hell are you so salted up anyways
I like how Awesomecaek is trying to tell us that the robots will be clumsy pieces of shit, like if we didn't already know it lol.
It still may be fun to watch, but no one is fooling themselves that it's going to be some Evangelion shit.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;48134801]you're goddamn right it is[/QUOTE]
;_;7
For 'merica
I don't even care of the competition ends up being kinda' boring, like someone else said, the fun part is the lead-in, the challenge videos, and just the fact that they made these crazy things.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;48134832]Imagine if this is how the mech arms race begins.
Give it 10 years we'll have Armored Core level shit.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MIhqluo2E[/media][/QUOTE]
Nah man, too many weakpoints. Until we develop forcefields that slow down bullets so that they just plink off like BB pellets, proper mechs are still a long ways off.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48135374]Mechs like that may be the fedora of armored warfare, but saying stuff like "i'm an engineer" and using that to bash things for no real gain is the fedora of [I]everything[/I]
I don't know why so many engineering students and engineers find it necessary to validate their claims or state their presence as engineers[/QUOTE]
To be fair people without technical backgrounds often post extremely uneducated opinions on topics they know nothing about and it's very hard to read that as someone who works on those kinds of devices all day and not say something about it.
Still, I think it's a bit silly to throw a fit about how these are impractical - of course they are, that doesn't mean this can't be really entertaining. I do wonder how they're going to deal with the guns though, there really needs to be more information on how they want to determine the winner of the battle. I mean the Japanese guys want to be able to incorporate melee as well but how? What about the ammunition? Paint balls would very easily obscure all vision of the pilot so they'd be way too overpowered and any projectile of significant weight could seriously hurt the pilots. A lot of questions about the battle to be answered really
Yeah, that's something I've been wondering. What's the win condition here? It can't simply be when one of the robots is disabled through enough damage, because getting to that point in the first place would be a major safety risk to the pilots. It could be something more basic, like one knocking the other over, but there'd be no real point for the guns then.
Well how are they supposed to battle? will they be in a ring with no spectators if they have weapons? Will they only be fist fighting? There's no way they would let the muricans use those guns if there is people anywhere in the vicinity and by the looks of it the operator has to be in the bot
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;48137315]Well how are they supposed to battle? will they be in a ring with no spectators if they have weapons? Will they only be fist fighting? There's no way they would let the muricans use those guns if there is people anywhere in the vicinity and by the looks of it the operator has to be in the bot[/QUOTE]
Just so you know, those are paintball guns. Likewise, the miniguns on the Japanese bot shoot BBs. Neither bot uses actual lethal ammunition.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48137416]Just so you know, those are paintball guns. Likewise, the miniguns on the Japanese bot shoot BBs. Neither bot uses actual lethal ammunition.[/QUOTE]
The paintball guns on the megabot would be almost certainly be lethal if shot at a human without thick metal armour, and even if they were not, they'd really quickly make it impossible for an operator to see anything at all so I doubt they can use that.
For reference, here's some footage of it smashing off bits of a car with the paintballs.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjViDItdp00[/media]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48134849]These robots are pointless and stupid and any kind of competition they will stand in will be boring and embarrassing to both the parties involved as well as the observers.[/QUOTE]
Tennis is essentially two people hitting balls at each other and its a multi million dollar industry. Golf is people hitting a ball into a hole in as little hits as possible, and Formula One is seeing who can cross the line first.
So clearly [I]this[/I] is the thing thats pointless and stupid.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek]everything so far[/QUOTE]
Dude, who cares? Who does this hurt? I honestly can't see any negative outcomes from this and a ton of positives. Maybe this leads to some design innovations you wouldn't expect. Maybe this puts STEM subjects in the public eye. Maybe this inspires some kids to pursue engineering themselves. Not everything is so fucking cut and dry, black and white.
I'm getting my Mech E degree from Berkeley next spring, and you know what me and my engineer friends think of this? That it's fucking awesome, because there's nothing better than making something fun with the knowledge and skill you worked your ass off for.
Let's be honest though, the American mech uses continuous tracks and has very little in the way of limb movement. That's cheating, it might a well just be a tank.
They are right, the American mech looks effective, but it isn't cool enough.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48135046]Well I actually do have enough engineering background to tell you these things are a worthless pile of trash engineering wise, and you can ask anybody who ever had a hand in actual vehicular combat and they will tell you nothing like this is ever going to work.
Mechs like this are the fedora of armoured warfare.[/QUOTE]
You're right. They are total crap from an engineering viewpoint.
Just like you aren't the least bit fun from an entertainment viewpoint.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;48137733]Let's be honest though, the American mech uses continuous tracks and has very little in the way of limb movement. That's cheating, it might a well just be a tank.
They are right, the American mech looks effective, but it isn't cool enough.[/QUOTE]
the japanese can circle strafe.
[QUOTE=Ithon;48137792]the japanese can circle strafe.[/QUOTE]
I assume the American tank can turn on the spot though.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48135117]I am not an [I]actual engineer yet[/I], to be fair, but I happen to be currently studying robotics, yes.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure vehicles like this wouldn't count as robots because they are, y'know, [I]manned[/I]
If anything, this will raise awareness on the awesome field that is robotics and engineering. Hell, I can already see both competitors making statements before and after the match, telling everyone just how fucking awesome science can be when you have a degree to make your dreams come true.
Stop being such a fucking killjoy. This match is useless, it will not cure AIDS or feed children in Africa, but who cares? There will be children who will go on and become engineers after watching this shit, and we get to see two giant mechas fight. What else can you [B]fucking[/B] ask for?
[QUOTE=T553412;48138080]I'm pretty sure vehicles like this wouldn't count as robots because they are, y'know, [I]manned[/I]
If anything, this will raise awareness on the awesome field that is robotics and engineering. Hell, I can already see both competitors making statements before and after the match, telling everyone just how fucking awesome science can be when you have a degree to make your dreams come true.
Stop being such a fucking killjoy. This match is useless, it will not cure AIDS or feed children in Africa, but who cares? There will be children who will go on and become engineers after watching this shit, and we get to see two giant mechas fight. What else can you [B]fucking[/B] ask for?[/QUOTE]
Manned robots are actually called mechs, which is short from battlemechs which comes from Battletech. The board game alone popularized 'mechs as the term to use in America. In Japan, they're still called Robots.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48134916]To be fair, it will probably be very anticlimactic. These things will trundle out in a parking lot somewhere and awkwardly spray some paint on each other. If you're expecting anything more, best reel in your expectations.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly yes but it would be quite impressive if we put robots that size in a remote televised field and had them armed with actual weapons. Then people would place bets on which one would win and we could have tournaments. Battlebots was awesome but we should definitely take it to the next level.
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Unmanned vehicles/robots. People getting hurt/killed is not something I would like to watch, but remote controlled robots? Yes!
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48134849]These robots are pointless and stupid and any kind of competition they will stand in will be boring and embarrassing to both the parties involved as well as the observers.[/QUOTE]
[I]Every party needs a pooper thats why they invited you, party pooper, party pooper[/I] - Lord Guru 2011
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48135117]What's wrong with criticising entertainment? People here make fun of for instnce NASCAR and people who watch it ll the time, and NASCAR is a billion dollar sport.
Battlebots work because they have a ruleset formed around something that's relatively practical and can be worked with. These things will be at the very best very slow paced paintball where both robots trundle in position and unload whatever they have at each other with everyone being left with feeling of "okay, this was really pointless".
[editline]6th July 2015[/editline]
I am not an [I]actual engineer yet[/I], to be fair, but I happen to be currently studying robotics, yes.
And I am not saying robots can't be fun, I just cited multiple robotics competitions I find fun, it's just this particular thing is becoming popular before even actually existing just because people with nostalgia hardon for some old games fantasize about action these things won't ever be capable of.[/QUOTE]
You are pretty much saying "Yes, I get your opinion, but mine is correct"
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48134998]Actually, yes. Because I can distinguish actual entertainment from a spergy nerd dream. Battlebots are dumb but lead to practical and functional designs that are fun to watch. Actual AI robot competitions are usually riddled with hilariously unreliable and dysfunctional designs, but it's fun to watch them for the fuckups as well as actual technological progress (see the The 2015 DARPA Robotics Challenge).
These things are are trying to recreate completely pointless designs done by somebody who never understood basic engineering nor combat, and didn't even have to, because it was for a videogame.
If there's any way of panning these things in positive light, it's that of some sort of extended cosplay, in which case, hooray for the newest generation of LARPing.[/QUOTE]
I nominate Awesomecaek as a stage hazard or pilot of the MK II
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48134993]If only the Japanese bot had a rocket launcher on the left hand and the gatling on the right, it'd be a full on clone on the sentry bots from Fallout.][/QUOTE]
If only they actually shot bullets and grenades at each other, sending guts and flames all over the parking lot.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;48134788]100 bucks on America.[/QUOTE]
You're toxx'd.
[QUOTE=megafat;48137504]Tennis is essentially two people hitting balls at each other and its a multi million dollar industry. Golf is people hitting a ball into a hole in as little hits as possible, and Formula One is seeing who can cross the line first.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, if I were an auto mechanic hearing day-in day-out about how Formula One cars with guns will be the next big military innovation I'd probably be pretty salty too. I think this sounds pretty cool and I'm a huge fan of the mech sim genre, but the people who think that this sort of thing might be a stepping stone on the way to military robots ought to have a long talk with a defense analyst or engineer. This is just going to be fun entertainment.
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