Teenager flips the bird to the judge, then gets owned.
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[QUOTE=Loriborn;39502558]i dont know man, fingering a judge in court sounds like itd get a lot more than 30 days in jail[/QUOTE]
yeah fingering would have counted as rape if the judge did not consent
[QUOTE=crazyjames;39502732]A lot of you say she "deserves it" but really drugs really fuck up your mind I mean I had some drugs that i thought was MDMA but turned out to be bath salts and I have never been the same since just realize where these people are coming from and the shit that they go through and the feelings that they feel to be on drugs. I know I was really depressed and drugs help they really do, but in the long run they eventually fuck you up worse than just fixing your problems. Just look at the girls arms she is skin and bones and the way she is playing with her hair she is having really bad withdrawals and I know that feeling I know what its like to want something so bad you will throw everything away for just that release just that moment of clarity in your life. Just understand.[/QUOTE]
It is still her choice to do drugs in the first place. This is about how every action has a constant reaction and she chose an action to deal with her temporary problem that gave her a worse problem.
[QUOTE=redshift2234;39502810]It is still her choice to do drugs in the first place. This is about how every action has a constant reaction and she chose an action to deal with her temporary problem that gave her a worse problem.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that she should take responsibility for her (poor choice of) actions, judging from her situation, she's probably in a crummy life with no parental supervision; her mother seems to have totally abandoned her. Not to mention, giving her extra punishments and ruining her life even more, aren't actions that are going to make her change her ways or get off drugs, if anything, she'll begin to resent society even more and be driven deeper into substance abuse and poverty. The best relief for someone in her situation is empathy and sympathy. Give her rehabilitation and someone who really cares, and chances are she'll actually make a recovery; throw her in jail and she just does more drugs when she gets out, and now she has felonies under her belt which destroys any future chance at legitimate jobs outside of menial labour at Walmart or Taco Bell.
Sad part is, at least in the U.S., real rehabilitation is almost impossible to receive. It is more than just a few sessions every now and then, it takes legitimate change and progress in a person, with an extended feeling of closeness to society and to people; we can only hope she actually makes progress while she's young, and gets out of the hole before it gets too deep.
[QUOTE=GunFox;39502684]Yeah I really loathe how bail is used.
Misuse of bail should be minimum ten years in prison for the judge.
[editline]7th February 2013[/editline]
Not increased bail. Bail is set at an amount YOU CAN AFFORD so that you are not held in jail until the time of your trial. The idea being that you can prepare your defense. Increasing it based on flippant behavior is unacceptable. Bail isn't a punishment, it is a necessary component of a functional justice system.
30 days in jail is also a fucking waste and eats up tax payer dollars without cause. Just give her some community service. Costs next to nothing, gets the point across, and ultimately has some benefit for whatever service she provides.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, yeah. Community service would be good. Didn't think about that.
I cant believe she said: "it's worth a lot of money; like rick ross.."
[QUOTE=acidcj;39502595][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/17x0lr/girl_flips_off_judge_hilarity_ensues/[/url][/QUOTE]
Not only is it a good post, but Reddit actually upvoted it to the very top
What the hell is going on
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39502548]I'd call that justice.[/QUOTE]
Not really. The judge got butthurt, made it personal, and now she has to pay for it. Totally inadequate warning ("this isn't a joke") and lack of counsel makes it worse.
I don't understand putting drug users in jail as opposed to therapy, but that's another issue entirely.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39502548]I'd call that justice.[/QUOTE]
which demonstrates perfectly how ridiculous the concept of justice is, good job
the judge is an idiot, way out of bounds increasing her bail like that for no reason
Here's the full video:
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[QUOTE=Pat4ever;39502329]I love the way she merges her hands together and starts laughing like one of those old timey bad guys with the silly mustache who just tied the damsel onto a train track.[/QUOTE]
Like my avatar?
I don't know the full details of her crime, but what I see here is a young person who has clearly slipped through the cracks of society and needs help, not punishment, clearly needs emotional support. And on the other side of the bench I see an old man enforcing his superiority.
This is a contributing factor to why children and young adults who end up in the penal system come out twice as fucked up and the cycle goes on.
Stupid of him, this won't make her a better person. Worse if anything.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;39503885]Stupid of him, this won't make her a better person. Worse if anything.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is stupid because when she fingered him... He then sentenced her 30 days of county jail.... Which was pretty stupid, and shows that the court is power-hungry.
I'm pretty sure flipping a judge off and having a condescending tone is definitely signs of contempt in court, he was in no way out of line.
She was the one disrespecting someone of a much higher authority.
[editline]7th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=crazyjames;39502732]A lot of you say she "deserves it" but really drugs really fuck up your mind I mean I had some drugs that i thought was MDMA but turned out to be bath salts and I have never been the same since just realize where these people are coming from and the shit that they go through and the feelings that they feel to be on drugs. I know I was really depressed and drugs help they really do, but in the long run they eventually fuck you up worse than just fixing your problems. Just look at the girls arms she is skin and bones and the way she is playing with her hair she is having really bad withdrawals and I know that feeling I know what its like to want something so bad you will throw everything away for just that release just that moment of clarity in your life. Just understand.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]turned out to be bath salts and I have never been the same[/QUOTE]
Your life has been fucked up... because of bath salts?
The judge is a smug prick, and this accomplishes nothing but stroking his ego some more. Fuck him.
[quote]She was the one disrespecting someone of a much higher authority.[/quote]
Respect goes both ways, judge should have had more professionalism than to dismissively and condescendingly and sarcastically say "bye bye" Which is what kicked the entire thing off. which he then exascerbates by doubling her bail after she says Adios.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;39502325]She's a drug addict. Xanax bars. She's probably not right in the head because of it and it'll only get worse. I know that when police made nut runs in Nashville, which was taking people to a mental institution after being arrested, the vast majority of the ones that had a drug of choice was Xanax[/QUOTE]
There's another reason for that: Xanax is a popular drug used for anxiety.
People with anxiety disorders are probably way more likely to a) have a xanax dependence and b) be on suicide risk or some other thing that'd get you institutionalized.
What's with people supporting the judge and calling her a "smug bitch"? Ignoring for a moment she's going to jail for possession of xanax which is a joke in it of itself, he was being cocky and smarmy and condescending, then raised her bail 5000 just for saying adios? That dude shouldn't be a judge and that girl shouldn't be in jail.
Responded to in bold, my opinion after working at a correctional facility.
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A little criminal defense lawyer perspective:
First, the judge was clearly out of bounds increasing her bond because he didn't like her attitude. Release on bond/bail legally is only allowed to serve two purposes - ensuring that the defendant returns to court (skip out and you don't get your money back), and ensuring that the defendant complies with their conditions of release (mostly - don't commit more crimes while released). There is no legitimate basis for a judge to modify bail/bond for a moment of flippant behavior.
[B]Pretty much agree with this statement. Bail needs to be set based on criminal offense and history of criminal activity. Though i can understand the judges frustration and why he did it. He has to read rights and set bonds/charges almost daily and more often then not people are like this. Still should of just set the bond and let it be. [/B]
Second - states that don't provide arraignment representation suck. Where I practice, the PD's office arraigns everyone who doesn't have a private lawyer, even if they ultimately are not appointed a PD. If she had a lawyer representing her, this wouldn't have happened - the lawyer would have been doing the talking and if she did anything inappropriate the lawyer would shut it down - client control is a lot of the job.
[B]If she had a good family or had any lick of common sense she would have had one. However, in her case it would have been a waste of time. She is more then likely going to plead guilty, go on some sort of program and probation rather then any jail time for the drug offense. States do this because simply because it costs to much to put everyone on trial. Specially first time offenders for non-violent crimes. I've seen even with lawyers sometimes the client still fucks it up. . Most non-represented inmates I've seen have the common sense to not be a dumbshit in front of the judge. I always gave the inmates shit for being "yes sir, no sir" type people in front of legal/judges. Then act like hard-asses once the screen is off. [/B]
Third - video arraignments cause this kind of shit. She wasn't in court, she was in jail and the county (state?) set up a video link between the jail and the courthouse to save themselves transportation costs. So she's standing in front of a little camera with a little screen showing the courtroom to view and she's surrounded by other detained defendants. [B]It just doesn't inspire the kind of behavior that actual presence in the courtroom does.
Again, most inmates and offenders don't have respect for the system. Putting them in a court room will not change that, video arraignments saves the tax payers money and saves on staffing costs. Specially for places that have several facilities to house inmates. It can take an hour or so to prep an inmate for transport. You got to follow a lot of internal controls. IE search van, search inmate, strip search inmate, have armed personal present at all times, search again once as destination. Take different travel routes each time you transport, wash rinse and repeat. When public funding and public safety isn't at the top of peoples priorities and local political powers don't want to help with funding then yeah, you're going to have to use these types of methods. In my experience the only time a court room is going to command respect is when someone is going to face hard time in state prison. It is simply to save his or her own ass, not to show respect towards a system or admit being wrong and wanting to change their ways. I've controlled a room with 20-30 inmates and they all sat in chairs quietly listening to the judge. Never had an issue with acting out. In this girls case she was just a smart ass and thought she was being cute.[/B]
Fourth- Why not appoint her a public defender - she makes $200 a week, she can't afford competent representation, jewelry or no...
[B]She was being read rights, she does not need a lawyer present for that. The judge reads her rights, tells her the charges and sets bail. Cut and dry. Lawyers are not needed nor are they required. I've never had a lawyer present for rights.[/B]
Finally- the what the fuck factor. This is the perfect example of what is wrong with our criminal justice system. The state (or county) made two choices intended to save money - video arraignments and not appointing a public defender. Probably she wouldn't have been held in contempt if she was in the courtroom and/or had a lawyer. Now the state/county gets to pay for a month in jail for what - possession of some xanax? Even if you take the contempt charge out of the equation - girl making $200 a week gets picked up for possession of a few pills and they hold her on $5000 - $10000 bond? Unless she has family willing to post or a sympathetic bondsman available, she's going to sit in jail until she either pleads out or gets a trial - which can take months. So of course she'll plead out, probably for time served, if that, and be yet another person we just spent several thousand dollars shoving through a kangaroo-court process and tarring for life with a drug charge that will severely limit her ability to move up from her $200 a week job (which she probably lost while she was sitting in jail), all for what - a few fucking xanax?
[B]Yeah, welcome to the justice system. This type of process will not change endless the majority voice their opinions and guidance comes from the top. There should be a focus on eliminating the source of illegal drugs (IE suppliers and dealers at local level). Did anyone ever ask who gave her the xanax? Oh well, it was her choice and hers alone she will have to deal with the consequences of her actions. Maybe this fucked up system will help her, I've seen it help other first time offenders. After their experience they actually sorted their shit out. [/B]
Edit to add: I'm on my phone, so this will be short. A couple people have rightly pointed out some corrections. Where I practice, arraignment is always done at the preliminary hearing. We don't have a procedure to separate the two. So when I referred to an arraignment I should have said bail hearing or detention hearing or prelim appearance or whatever the terminology is in Fl.
Point is the same though. If she had counsel, she probably wouldn't be in jail
[B]She would have been in jail no matter what, for the original drug charge. All she did was add to the sentence by being a fucking idiot.[/B]
As to the contempt, I never said that a contempt charge wasn't warranted based on her comment and gesture, only that it probably wouldn't have happened if she was in court with a lawyer. That said, judges up here have much thicker skin.
[B]She was being blatantly disrespectful, when people are in custody you maintain control 100%. You don't let them get away with one inch of disrespect. Inmates feed off of each other, one acts a fool the others join in. The atmosphere of a jail can completely change for the worse when there is a lack of control or perception of lack of control. I bet you more then anything the inmates behind her that were laughing, didn't fuck around when it was their turn. [/B]
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Easy for lawyers to say all the stuff they do, specially when they don't have to work in the facilities.
Xanax is a seriously fucked up drug, which is why she was there. I knew a few girls with xanax addictions and they are the most fucked up psycho bitches I have ever met.
God I hate it when people behave like this, I had that kind of people in my class in my gymnasium. It was horrible, I always had the urge to just slap them as strong as I can when they started to misbehave showing no respect to their elders, worse even, despise them with their manner and tone of speaking, movements and general acting.
The Judge ain't no saint either.
[editline]7th February 2013[/editline]
Community service would've been better.
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;39506590]Xanax is a seriously fucked up drug, which is why she was there. I knew a few girls with xanax addictions and they are the most fucked up psycho bitches I have ever met.[/QUOTE]
I use to take Xanax because I had sleep problems, it's kind of hard to imagine what'd it be like to take a dozens at once. You'd probably think the Earth is spinning.
[B]Violently[/B]
i once accidentally took tylenol pm before baking a cake with my grandmother and all i can remember is staring vacantly and responding to her cooking instructions with "yeah.."
i dont get how people function on stuff like xanax
This took place in Florida too, the judges there are fucking assholes. Looks like this judge was pretty nice, compared to the rest of the judges in that state.
In the uncensored one, she also says something close to "Fuck you, too" or something that had Bitch in it. I bet this was somewhere in South Florida.
Yeah, I just realized this took place in my country (Miami-Dade).
Taking xanex, for those of you who don't know or understand, recreationally at least... Is best described by, (pertaining to the amount of course) but, the best description is you don't give a fuck. Literally. You see something, if you want it, you take it. If someone say something smart ass, the first remark in your mind is said, and your generally tired as fuck, and nod out and go to sleep.
It also helps with anxiety.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39508949]i once accidentally took tylenol pm before baking a cake with my grandmother and all i can remember is staring vacantly and responding to her cooking instructions with "yeah.."
i dont get how people function on stuff like xanax[/QUOTE]
Xanax and Tylenol PM have practically nothing in common.
IN the second video you can tell by just looking at her she's a xanaxhead...the way she pets her hair spells addict all over.
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