Federal trial begins Monday for Kansas church that protests military funerals - Polidicks

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23462703]I find that they, yes, have the right to protest. Rant Warning. Mom, cover the kids ears. I do not, however, agree that they should be protesting the men and women who are dying so some ungrateful bastard can go outside their funeral and say "hurr durr god hatez u fagsorz durr hurr". It makes their religion look bad, and it makes our country look bad. theyu are watching their friends, and maybe even relatives, die and then be bad-mouthed. They get no respect in life, and even less in death. It's disgusting, sickening, and just pain assonine. These people deserve to be thrown a gun, helmet, and a first class ticket to the front lines of Iraq. Then they might get a good, warm, fag-hating welcome. They have misinterpreted their religion, as it says they should tolerate the beliefs of others. Not agree, but tolerate. God accepts the fags like he accepts anyone else. My uncle has been to Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times. If he were to get shot and killed, I would prevent the WBC from excersizing their First Amendment because they have no right to use it in that way. They need to be shut down, and stripped of everything. They have bastardized their religion, their rights, and the people fighting so they can be free in the last free country on planet Earth. tl;dr: WBC = bastards Now that I have derailed the thread with my rant, resume your discussion. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE] Good job, you said that soldiers fought for our rights (I disagree, but thats another story), and in the same sentance you said these particular people don't deserve to have rights. So when you "fight for your country", you get to pick and choose who gets rights and who doesn't?

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23462704]Then they aren't protesting at all. Good work, you've instituted state censuring. I do, but not about arbitrary documents written 200+ years ago. You can still yell to a reasonable level and have lit up signs. You can still give your message in the day. With this law, it completely deprives WBC or other interest groups from delivering their message at all. [editline]02:13AM[/editline] Ah, I didn't know this, I was arguing on the premise that they didn't actually violate his right to protest.[/QUOTE] what, yes they are, it doesn't matter if it happens an hour before or after, what kind of protester are you if you're not committed? And no it's not, they can give their message an hour before or after it, same as me giving the message only during the day

Okay, WBC, I'll side with you this one time. :colbert:

[QUOTE=mbutler2;23462770] They want to be heard and are doing a great job at it. I agree with Zeke, Timebomb, Kagrenak, and JDK.[/QUOTE] I feel so left out. :(

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462766]whoa, calm down sir, i'll get your unimportant issue right now they're protesting the government, which is a right by the constitution because thomas jefferson intended for it to happen all the time because the government to adhere to the people, with no one getting hurt in the process you're hurting people by protesting their dead one's funerals, sir. and dont call names please, this is a civil debate.[/QUOTE] But if someone protests at a political speech and makes a point that the government is made up of murderers or something, doesn't that hurt government employees all the same? I think i'd me more affected by someone calling me a murderer than calling a dead relative a fag [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23462827]I feel so left out. :([/QUOTE] I never get included either :frown:

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462803]what, yes they are, it doesn't matter if it happens an hour before or after, what kind of protester are you if you're not committed? And no it's not, they can give their message an hour before or after it, same as me giving the message only during the day[/QUOTE] Except all the relevant people to your message are gone one hour after the funeral has ended.

Just chiming in an idea: Pass a bill that forbids protests to occur on or in the vicinity of a graveyard. A bit unconstitutional....but so is the Patriot Act. ;)

-snip- Sorry, double post.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23462828]But if someone protest at a political speech and makes a point that the government is made up of murderers or something, doesn't that hurt government employees all the same? I think i'd me more affected by someone calling me a murderer than calling a dead relative a fag I never get included either :frown:[/QUOTE] Clearly you should have to wait one hour after all the politicians have left, in order to not hurt their feelings.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462803] And no it's not, they can give their message an hour before or after it, same as me giving the message only during the day[/QUOTE] See my post above.

[QUOTE=Jin;23462845]Just chiming in an idea: Pass a bill that forbids protests to occur on or in the vicinity of a graveyard. A bit unconstitutional....but so is the Patriot Act. ;)[/QUOTE] Because one fucked up morally wrong act doesn't justify another, you fascist.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23462837]Except all the relevant people to your message are gone one hour after the funeral has ended.[/QUOTE] oh, so your message of saying fags and among other things are solely directed toward the grieving people in the funeral? harassment.

[QUOTE=Jin;23462845]Just chiming in an idea: Pass a bill that forbids protests to occur on or in the vicinity of a graveyard. A bit unconstitutional....but so is the Patriot Act. ;)[/QUOTE] Ha ha our rights are slowly getting more and more eroded and there's nothing we can do about it ah ha ha wink wink

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23462850]Clearly you should have to wait one hour after all the politicians have left, in order to not hurt their feelings.[/QUOTE] cause the politicians are grieving from writing paperwork ;_;

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23462782]Good job, you said that soldiers fought for our rights (I disagree, but thats another story), and in the same sentance you said these particular people don't deserve to have rights. So when you "fight for your country", you get to pick and choose who gets rights and who doesn't?[/QUOTE] Not what I said. I think that they have rights, but they shouldn't attack (metaphorically speaking) the people paying for those rights. The cost for our rights is blood. Lots of it. They simply have no place to do what they are doing. The "stripped of everything they have" is an overstating on my part.

And I know I'm going to get a lot of boxes, but I actually agree with WBC's message.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462874]cause the politicians are grieving from writing paperwork ;_;[/QUOTE] Oh, so the government employee's feelings are less important than the family's? Hey you know who else are government employees? Soldiers.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462863]oh, so your message of saying fags and among other things are solely directed toward the grieving people in the funeral? harassment.[/QUOTE] Not my message, but yes. The people there would generally also consist of his commanding officers and fellow servicemen, which are main targets of the WBC's messages. [QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462874]cause the politicians are grieving from writing paperwork ;_;[/QUOTE] They might be grieving on some other matter, or be stressed from running their campaigns or attending to legislative duties. Politicians are people too, what you say gets to them as well.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;23462895]And I know I'm going to get a lot of boxes, but I actually agree with WBC's message.[/QUOTE] How's that? I'm curious for your reasoning. I rated you Disagree because you don't deserve a box for your opinion.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462863]oh, so your message of saying fags and among other things are solely directed toward the grieving people in the funeral? harassment.[/QUOTE] The WBC is very careful with their language, they strive to keep themselves is perfect legal status. Note how non of thier insulting signs are directed at anyone: "God hates fags" Not "Your dead son is a fag"

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23462911]Oh, so the government employee's feelings are less important than the family's? Hey you know who else are government employees? Soldiers.[/QUOTE] politicians are now soldiers send them to Afghanistan, i have a select list of whom i wanna send

[QUOTE=mbutler2;23462895]And I know I'm going to get a lot of boxes, but I actually agree with WBC's message.[/QUOTE] This is your right, to hold stupid and hurtful views on the world.

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23462888]Not what I said. I think that they have rights, but they shouldn't attack (metaphorically speaking) the people paying for those rights. The cost for our rights is blood. Lots of it. They simply have no place to do what they are doing. The "stripped of everything they have" is an overstating on my part.[/QUOTE] Nobody has had to die for our freedom since at least the war of 1812.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462874]cause the politicians are grieving from writing paperwork ;_;[/QUOTE] The politicians could argue that your protesting is causing them undue stress and emotional harm.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23462921]Not my message, but yes. The people there would generally also consist of his commanding officers and fellow servicemen, which are main targets of the WBC's messages. They might be grieving on some other matter, or be stressed from running their campaigns or attending to legislative duties. Politicians are people too, what you say gets to them as well.[/QUOTE] What happened or the cause of the protest is a direct action they took. No one is directly having their son killed by an RPG ambush. Politicians directly fuck shit up by signing papers they should be aware of but adhere to their political party.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462939]politicians are now soldiers send them to Afghanistan, i have a select list of whom i wanna send[/QUOTE] I'm not quite sure why i'm still arguing, you're pretty blatant about not even trying, but anyways, I said government employees to begin with, then you said politicians. I never meant politicians

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23462862]Because one fucked up morally wrong act doesn't justify another, you fascist.[/QUOTE] But who is going to protest in or around a graveyard? Since when was the graveyard an ideal spot to assemble and protest? It's not really going to affect anyone besides those who decide to protest military funerals.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462967]What happened or the cause of the protest is a direct action they took. No one is directly having their son killed by an RPG ambush. Politicians directly fuck shit up by signing papers they should be aware of but adhere to their political party.[/QUOTE] This post is pretty much irrelevant to the current argument.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462967]What happened or the cause of the protest is a direct action they took. No one is directly having their son killed by an RPG ambush. Politicians directly fuck shit up by signing papers they should be aware of but adhere to their political party.[/QUOTE] People protest politicians for stupid, misguided, and patently false things, as well. Being stupid and misguided does not mean you should be censured by the state.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23462948]Nobody has had to die for our freedom since at least the war of 1812.[/QUOTE] The terrorists would quite likely come over here and force us to fight a war on our homeland. A full blown war, not just finding a bomb and getting rid of it. We'd be rolling Strykers and M1 Abrams through cities, watching for IEDs on the way to work. They are keeping our freedoms from being invaded upon by the damned terrorists.