Federal trial begins Monday for Kansas church that protests military funerals - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23462978]I'm not quite sure why i'm still arguing, you're pretty blatant about not even trying, but anyways, I said government employees to begin with, then you said politicians. I never meant politicians[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462874]cause the politicians are grieving from writing paperwork ;_;[/QUOTE] somehow, somebody edited politician to government employee in a split second to confuse Xen then switched it back before nobody figured anything out.

[QUOTE=Jin;23462989]But who is going to protest in or around a graveyard? It's not really going to affect anyone besides those who decide to protest military funerals.[/QUOTE] And those people somehow are exempt from the rights the other protesters get

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23462998]The terrorists would quite likely come over here and force us to fight a war on our homeland. A full blown war, not just finding a bomb and getting rid of it. We'd be rolling Strykers and M1 Abrams through cities, watching for IEDs on the way to work. They are keeping our freedoms from being invaded upon by the damned terrorists.[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463000]somehow, somebody edited politician to government employee in a split second to confuse Xen then switched it back before nobody figured anything out.[/QUOTE] Ok then, you're a troll. Good to know. I'll save my... text.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23462939]politicians are now soldiers send them to Afghanistan, i have a select list of whom i wanna send[/QUOTE] Totally agree. If they're going to start wars, they can be the first to go.

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23462930]How's that? I'm curious for your reasoning. I rated you Disagree because you don't deserve a box for your opinion.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kagrenak;23462941]This is your right, to hold stupid and hurtful views on the world.[/QUOTE] I mean, I'm a Christian. It's not like God has not killed innocents before to convey a message.

i am not related to rosar0980 in anyway possible or allying with him in this debate, that is official nor do i think a handful of ragtag poorly armed soldiers will force us to go decon 1 on our land.

i am god

[QUOTE=Jin;23462989]But who is going to protest in or around a graveyard? It's not really going to affect anyone besides those who decide to protest military funerals.[/QUOTE] What if I wanted to protest at a military funeral I know General David Petraeus would be at, in order to voice my discontent at his current campaign? It limits freedoms that do not unduly cause harm. [QUOTE=Reaver1991;23463037]i am god[/QUOTE] Rated informative.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463038]What if I wanted to protest at a military funeral I know General David Petraeus would be at, in order to voice my discontent at his current campaign? It limits freedoms that do not unduly cause harm.[/QUOTE] uh, you protest him after the funerals done? or protest on his base?

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23462998]The terrorists would quite likely come over here and force us to fight a war on our homeland. A full blown war, not just finding a bomb and getting rid of it. We'd be rolling Strykers and M1 Abrams through cities, watching for IEDs on the way to work. They are keeping our freedoms from being invaded upon by the damned terrorists.[/QUOTE] I'm sure that's exactly why the British wanted to fight a war with the colonies in the 1770s. They didn't want the Americans to invade England. Right.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463050]uh, you protest him after the funerals done? or protest on his base?[/QUOTE] But he shouldn't have the right to protest him because it might cause undue stress and emotional harm.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;23463032]I mean, I'm a Christian. It's not like God has not killed innocents before to convey a message.[/QUOTE] You do make a point, and I do agree with you now that you explain it like that. I thought you meant that God does indeed hate fags which ins't true.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463050]uh, you protest him after the funerals done? or protest on his base?[/QUOTE] These places are actually private property and don't get the message across clearly. I was also just using it as a singular example. The main theme of it is that important people who influence policy whom otherwise would not be amenable to protest go to these, thus it is a legitimate place to air grievances.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;23463072]But he shouldn't have the right to protest him because it might cause undue stress and emotional harm.[/QUOTE] the protest is a from a direct action he took that caused heavy failures in his campaign and your protest against him doesn't affect any people. and i get accused of bad analogies, lol. [editline]06:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463089]These places are actually private property and don't get the message across clearly. I was also just using it as a singular example. The main theme of it is that important people who influence policy whom otherwise would not be amenable to protest go to these, thus it is a legitimate place to air grievances.[/QUOTE] hey petraeus, you fucked up our war, stop fucking it up that's a pretty clear message, i don't think that needs to be heard in a funeral with grieving people.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463097]the protest is a from a direct action he took that caused heavy failures in his campaign and your protest against him doesn't affect any people. [/QUOTE] What? Im saying that General Petraeus could be emotionally harmed by the protest. Your posts syntax makes no sense.

ok lolwutdude you're saying that banning funeral protests is bad (which my opinions are mixed on) but do you agree that doing this would create a bad precedent? I agree that it does.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463097]the protest is a from a direct action he took that caused heavy failures in his campaign and your protest against him doesn't affect any people. and i get accused of bad analogies, lol.[/QUOTE] His campaign in Iraq was actually done quite well and he took decent steps to limit additional civilian casualties. He didn't decide to invade, the former president and congress did. The protest of the general would be almost as invalid as the protest of a dead soldier. I'm arguing how the law limits free speech and free protest, not whether people deserve the protesting or not, that is a completely moot point and is irrelevant to any discussion of free speech.

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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23463058]I'm sure that's exactly why the British wanted to fight a war with the colonies in the 1770s. They didn't want the Americans to invade England. Right.[/QUOTE] They wanted to keep us in an iron grip. Don't start going to history. Talk about this war now. The terrorists are already here. What if we get hundreds?They've managed to destroy over 3,000 people and one of the largest centers in America. They have a lot of people already living in fear. We get the ones that are over in Afghanistan, and we are really going to be watching for bombs and having patrols of soldiers everywhere. Houses will be raided because of one tip of being a terrorist. We would be ruined, and some dead.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463097] hey petraeus, you fucked up our war, stop fucking it up that's a pretty clear message, i don't think that needs to be heard in a funeral with grieving people.[/QUOTE] He's otherwise unaccessible, however. [editline]02:41AM[/editline] [QUOTE=rosar0980;23463129]They wanted to keep us in an iron grip. Don't start going to history. Talk about this war now. The terrorists are already here. What if we get hundreds?They've managed to destroy over 3,000 people and one of the largest centers in America. They have a lot of people already living in fear. We get the ones that are over in Afghanistan, and we are really going to be watching for bombs and having patrols of soldiers everywhere. Houses will be raided because of one tip of being a terrorist. We would be ruined, and some dead.[/QUOTE] lol. So, did you ever have any sort of hold on reality?

[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23463127] but do you agree that doing this would create a bad precedent? I agree that it does.[/QUOTE] That's what we are arguing here. Im sure everyone in this thread would love the see the WBC silenced. But again, its a slippery slope, you can allow the government to chose who gets to say what to certain people.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463036]i am not related to rosar0980 in anyway possible or allying with him in this debate, that is official nor do i think a handful of ragtag poorly armed soldiers will force us to go decon 1 on our land.[/QUOTE] It's happened for less. We are at DEFCON 2 because of this. North Korea also plays a bit of a factor but that's another debate. If we get anymore terrorists over here and we'll be up to 1, and that's trouble.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463089]The main theme of it is that important people who influence policy whom otherwise would not be amenable to protest go to these, thus it is a legitimate place to air grievances.[/QUOTE] Right, so the next time I want to shout at the president for everything he's done wrong I'll be sure to do it at a funeral he's attending. After all, the cemetery is a legitimate place to air my grievances.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463134]He's otherwise unaccessible, however. [editline]02:41AM[/editline] lol. So, did you ever have any sort of hold on reality?[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23463143]It's happened for less. We are at DEFCON 2 because of this. North Korea also plays a bit of a factor but that's another debate. If we get anymore terrorists over here and we'll be up to 1, and that's trouble.[/QUOTE] No we aren't. [QUOTE=rosar0980;23463149]What?[/QUOTE] Exactly. [editline]02:44AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jin;23463148]Right, so the next time I want to shout at the president for everything he's done wrong I'll be sure to do it at a funeral he's attending. After all, the cemetery is a legitimate place to air my grievances.[/QUOTE] It is. Yes. Not appropriate in the slightest, however.

[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23463122]ok lolwutdude you're saying that banning funeral protests is bad (which my opinions are mixed on) but do you agree that doing this would create a bad precedent? I agree that it does.[/QUOTE] no, im saying banning funeral protests while grieving people are still there to promote your agenda is good, while banning protest completely is bad. and those slippery slopes are double-edged argument IF WE LEGALIZE, GAY MARRIAGE, IT SET PRECEDENTS FOR INCEST AND BESTIALITY. see what i did there. The law merely says that the protest would be barred an hour before or after the funeral is finished, noting else. it's not saying you can't protest funerals completely.

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23463143]It's happened for less. We are at DEFCON 2 because of this. North Korea also plays a bit of a factor but that's another debate. If we get anymore terrorists over here and we'll be up to 1, and that's trouble.[/QUOTE] You're insane, we're at DEFCON 4. The last time we were at DEFCON 2 was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, where the world was on the brink of nuclear war. I don't think America's quite that threatened right now

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23463143]It's happened for less. We are at DEFCON 2 because of this. North Korea also plays a bit of a factor but that's another debate. If we get anymore terrorists over here and we'll be up to 1, and that's trouble.[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? We are at DEFCON 4 lol. Ninjaed.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463134]He's otherwise unaccessible, however. [editline]02:41AM[/editline] lol. So, did you ever have any sort of hold on reality?[/QUOTE] he still gives out speeches, conferences, and etc. not to mention, you can be infront of the pentagon for the protest or make a site. [QUOTE=rosar0980;23463143]It's happened for less. We are at DEFCON 2 because of this. North Korea also plays a bit of a factor but that's another debate. If we get anymore terrorists over here and we'll be up to 1, and that's trouble.[/QUOTE] oh my god, what the hell.