Federal trial begins Monday for Kansas church that protests military funerals - Polidicks

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463165]no, im saying banning funeral protests while grieving people are still there to promote your agenda is good, while banning protest completely is bad. and those slippery slopes are double-edged argument IF WE LEGALIZE, GAY MARRIAGE, IT SET PRECEDENTS FOR INCEST AND BESTIALITY. see what i did there. The law merely says that the protest would be barred an hour before or after the funeral is finished, noting else. it's not saying you can't protest funerals completely.[/QUOTE] Yes it does. The people who matter aren't going to get there an hour before because of how funerals work, and aren't going to stick around for an hour. It completely bans the protest of funerals. [editline]02:47AM[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463176]he still gives out speeches, conferences, and etc. not to mention, you can be infront of the pentagon for the protest or make a site. [/QUOTE] He almost never speaks in public, just in the press rooms. Yeah, you can catch him around the pentagon occasionally, but it's unlikely. A general is a hard man to get a hold of via normal means.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463177]Yes it does. The people who matter aren't going to get there an hour before because of how funerals work, and aren't going to stick around for an hour. It completely bans the protest of funerals.[/QUOTE] why are you protesting the grieving people instead of the funeral itself, are they that undedicated? that's likely saying the protest is meant for the grieving and crying people suffering for the deceased loved ones.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463193]why are you protesting the grieving people instead of the funeral itself, are they that undedicated? that's likely saying the protest is meant for the grieving and crying people suffering for the deceased loved ones.[/QUOTE] It is. I've said that before, the bereaved includes military officers and colleagues of the deceased, all of whom are the targets of their messages.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463165]no, im saying banning funeral protests while grieving people are still there to promote your agenda is good, while banning protest completely is bad. and those slippery slopes are double-edged argument IF WE LEGALIZE, GAY MARRIAGE, IT SET PRECEDENTS FOR INCEST AND BESTIALITY. see what i did there. The law merely says that the protest would be barred an hour before or after the funeral is finished, noting else. it's not saying you can't protest funerals completely.[/QUOTE] There isn't any constitutional law against gays marrying though, this is a totally different situation. This is restricting a first amendment right. That's a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463177]Yes it does. The people who matter aren't going to get there an hour before because of how funerals work, and aren't going to stick around for an hour. It completely bans the protest of funerals. [editline]02:47AM[/editline] He almost never speaks in public, just in the press rooms. Yeah, you can catch him around the pentagon occasionally, but it's unlikely. A general is a hard man to get a hold of via normal means.[/QUOTE] Linda Lingle is a hard woman to get ahold of cause she's getting a lot of hate. We don't need her to be physically there, we used to hold protests in beaches, government offices, city hall, and etc to kindly tell to fuck her off. It's working, that bitch ain't gonna get re-elected anytime soon and she responded a few times. Have you protested before.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463159]No we aren't. Exactly. [editline]02:44AM[/editline] It is. Yes. Not appropriate in the slightest, however.[/QUOTE] I was mis informed about the DefCon level. It was an old news article. I can't seem to find it anywhere. I've read multiple places it is 3 though.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463202]It is. I've said that before, the bereaved includes military officers and colleagues of the deceased, all of whom are the targets of their messages.[/QUOTE] Then protest them at their military base.

[QUOTE=rosar0980;23463143]It's happened for less. We are at DEFCON 2 because of this. North Korea also plays a bit of a factor but that's another debate. If we get anymore terrorists over here and we'll be up to 1, and that's trouble.[/QUOTE] ahaha what are you using an onine translator to speak with us or something you're incoherent

why are you double-posting a lot?

I have to go to bed as its 3am. Ill be back.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463232]why are you double-posting a lot?[/QUOTE] facepunch is being slow for me today and when it's slow it acts weird for me

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463205]Linda Lingle is a hard woman to get ahold of cause she's getting a lot of hate. We don't need her to be physically there, we used to hold protests in beaches, government offices, city hall, and etc to kindly tell to fuck her off. It's working, that bitch ain't gonna get re-elected anytime soon and she responded a few times. Have you protested before.[/QUOTE] Okay, this is just another form of high-visibility protesting, though. In case you haven't noticed, people know about their protesting because of it. Also, a general isn't the same as a politician, they're not elected.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463277]Okay, this is just another form of high-visibility protesting, though. In case you haven't noticed, people know about their protesting because of it. Also, a general isn't the same as a politician, they're not elected.[/QUOTE] then they should go ahead and high visible protest elsewhere or after the funeral make references in their boards, tell people their message, and etc. it's not that hard, college kids in vietnam-war-days protested in their own school and that sure as hell got Nixon's attention

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463358]then they should go ahead and high visible protest elsewhere or after the funeral make references in their boards, tell people their message, and etc. it's not that hard, college kids in vietnam-war-days protested in their own school and that sure as hell got Nixon's attention[/QUOTE] Except there's like five of them and there were thousands against Vietnam. It's still severely limiting both their and other people's rights to protest.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23463389]Except there's like five of them and there were thousands against Vietnam. It's still severely limiting both their and other people's rights to protest.[/QUOTE] it's not even five, those baptist people are full of inbreds, i saw more than 20 in the ala moana when they came to hawaii. their protests are always listened anyhow, they get a lot of attention from the media.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;23463412]it's not even five, those baptist people are full of inbreds, i saw more than 20 in the ala moana when they came to hawaii. their protests are always listened anyhow, they get a lot of attention from the media.[/QUOTE] The only reason is because of their extreme methods.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23461989]You base your argument on emotions. You're saying people can't protest because it'll hurt someones feelings.[/QUOTE] You have to be pretty angsty to say that traumatizing someone for life is "Hurting someone's feelings." I bet you would be crying and being said as well if you were in the situation of such a father. Also, when did I ever base my arguement on emoticons? How is that even relevant?

Wow-wow... So their trying to get rights for protesting at service man or womens funeral? That's just fucking wrong... I agree with the Bill of Rights, but come on... I believe they should not have a right to picket at a funeral. It's just not fricking right.

They may have the right to protest, but we also have the right to tell them to shut the hell up.

Is their kind of speech not deemed hate speech?

This is hard for me. Part of me thinks protesting anyone's funeral is just the lowest fucking thing you can do, and the other part of me thinks about the first amendment. Maybe there should be an exception for scum like the WBC so they can't do that crap.

[QUOTE=7DeadlySyns;23463715]This is hard for me. Part of me thinks protesting anyone's funeral is just the lowest fucking thing you can do, and the other part of me thinks about the first amendment. Maybe there should be an exception for scum like the WBC so they can't do that crap.[/QUOTE] As posted dozens of times in this thread, slippery slope. If we make an exception for the WBC, it'll have a normalizing effect on denial of rights, and we'll see other "scum" that we don't think deserve rights, and deny them, and so on and so forth.

Couldn't some of their speech be deemed 'fighting words'? I know for a fact that kind of speech is not protected.

[QUOTE=the_KMM;23463741]Couldn't some of their speech be deemed 'fighting words'? I know for a fact that kind of speech is not protected.[/QUOTE] I don't think so. Here's what's always been my take on it, might be off though, so idk. Their rhetoric isn't that gay people should be killed, or that violence against gays is good, it's more "god hates faggots and you'll all be punished for eternity, so nothing we could do would be as bad as that", thus why all of their lines are God hates ____. They're hardcore calvanists, so they believe pretty much everyone but them is predestined to go to hell, and the "acceptance" of homosexuality in America and other countries has further damned them by spitting in god's face, pretty much. They're protesting because they want people to know, in their minds, what they're doing is abominable and god hates them for it, but they're not like neo-nazi's that will preach violence against a certain group, just hatred. Thus it's a pure expression of opinion, and doesn't fall under provocative speech/hate speech, and they even have their bases covered more, because they only protest dead "faggots", and you can't be sued for libel or slander against a dead person, because there's no chance of damage, monetary or otherwise. But like I said, I may be wrong. If someone knows the law better, they could correct me.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23463827]I don't think so. Here's what's always been my take on it, might be off though, so idk. Their rhetoric isn't that gay people should be killed, or that violence against gays is good, it's more "god hates faggots and you'll all be punished for eternity, so nothing we could do would be as bad as that", thus why all of their lines are God hates ____. They're hardcore calvanists, so they believe pretty much everyone but them is predestined to go to hell, and the "acceptance" of homosexuality in America and other countries has further damned them by spitting in god's face, pretty much. They're protesting because they want people to know, in their minds, what they're doing is abominable and god hates them for it, but they're not like neo-nazi's that will preach violence against a certain group, just hatred. Thus it's a pure expression of opinion, and doesn't fall under provocative speech/hate speech, and they even have their bases covered more, because they only protest dead "faggots", and you can't be sued for libel or slander against a dead person, because there's no chance of damage, monetary or otherwise. But like I said, I may be wrong. If someone knows the law better, they could correct me.[/QUOTE] They also believe that all black people should be re-enslaved and that Jews should be massacred Hitler style.

[QUOTE=JDK721;23461591]They're assholes, but they should have the right to protest. Rights are rights. You don't take them away just because you don't like someone.[/QUOTE] It's funny. Most people want them to keep that right, but free speech goes out the window?.. Bullshit..

[QUOTE=the_KMM;23463851]They also believe that all black people should be re-enslaved and that Jews should be massacred Hitler style.[/QUOTE] They may, but they don't express those views in their protests or in their public invectives, so they're still within the law. If they did, they would be doing something illegal, and should be punished accordingly, but they seemingly don't, so it's an unrelated matter.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23463885]Well, even though you're kidding, you would be entitled to those beliefs. You wouldn't be able to express them in the manner the WBC does, though, because it's an actual call for an infringement of rights of another person. The WBC just says "you're fucked after you're dead", not "we're gonna fuck you up till you're dead"[/QUOTE] I'm not kidding. They believe that.

[QUOTE=the_KMM;23463920]I'm not kidding. They believe that.[/QUOTE] Oh whoops, for some reason I read that as "I also believe" Well, what I said still stands. They don't express those views (I believe) in public protests or on invectives posted on their site, but if they did, they would be outside their rights and should be punished accordingly.

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