Two Weeks Ago - The United States And Possibly The World Narrowly Escaped Solar Flare That Would Of - Polidicks

I'm new to this whole subject and I'm just wondering wouldn't less than half of the earth be shielded from such an event? If half the earth was shielded then that is alot of intact infrastructure which will be useful to the fried otherside. Now of course there would still be chaos and alot of change but with certain infrastructures still intact it will speed up a recovery process surely. Unless its North Korea. Reading deeper into this it is insane how our governments have hardly any procedures for such events. Putting it out there I can bet that this is more likely to happen than a nuclear war and we have hundreds of procedures for one of those right? [editline]2nd August 2013[/editline] Alot of military equipment is supposedly emp protected on three different levels of severity. That would help with maintaining a level of control

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;41680982]The way some people are acting it's as if the EMP would "remove" all forms of power entirely, break all the plumbing and spoil all forms of food. It might surprise you to know that the power grid can be repaired fairly easily, water doesn't rely on electricity, and neither does food. Edit: And if the CME was so strong that it was somehow a world wide event, you have bigger problems than no electricity.[/QUOTE] Water treatment and pumps require electricity so it won't take long for water to stop coming out of your tap and where do you expect the food to come from? We rely on processed food that is delivered in trucks that require electricity to run. And it says in the article that the grid would take years to be rebuilt. [editline]2nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=IceWarrior98;41684660]We did it before. You forget, we didn't always have electricity.[/QUOTE] We didn't have 7 billion people and crowded population centres before as well.

I think if the whole power grid went down it wouldn't be instant doomsday, but up to a billion people would probably die due to chaos and starvation and the technological progess would freeze for a long time since it would take a whole lot of time to restore electricity and even more time to regain control over people and territories. Without the telephones, internet and post many cities would become city states and god knows what political situation will look like after the power is back.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;41680982]The way some people are acting it's as if the EMP would "remove" all forms of power entirely, break all the plumbing and spoil all forms of food. It might surprise you to know that the power grid can be repaired fairly easily, water doesn't rely on electricity, and neither does food. Edit: And if the CME was so strong that it was somehow a world wide event, you have bigger problems than no electricity.[/QUOTE] Right. But continuous electric power is absolutely crucial to modern society. Water pumps and such are electric. Food refrigeration is electric, cooking food often uses electricity (its doable without though), and the machines that deliver that food use electricity. It may not turn into utter chaos, but it won't exactly be pleasant.

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;41668775]Wouldn't many vehicles be unaffected anyways? Planes get struck by lightning all the time but the faraday cage effect of the metal hull means there is no electric field within. I'd imagine it could be similar with cars. Someone more knowledgeable could weigh in.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;GZxgYNnkBd0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZxgYNnkBd0[/video]

[QUOTE=AzzyMaster;41685109]Water treatment and pumps require electricity so it won't take long for water to stop coming out of your tap and where do you expect the food to come from? We rely on processed food that is delivered in trucks that require electricity to run. And it says in the article that the grid would take years to be rebuilt. ...[/QUOTE] There's these things called backup generators that important infrastructure uses, so in case of a power loss they just don't stop functioning. And again, it's not going to take power out of things like batteries, your car will still start.

[QUOTE=KorJax;41668445]The article makes it sound like all that's needed is that they just have to make the transformers EMP-proof to protect it. I thought EMP's pretty much fried any and all electrical circuts? Saving a transformer from getting fried would do little in the end then. Having powerlines protected against EMP isn't going to be very helpful when your cars, devices, simple circuts (such as elevator operation), airplanes, boats, lighting, hospitals, radios, refrigeration, AC, heating, etc are all completely toast too. So the power lines still work but everything that uses that power is dead, and the things that dont use that power are also dead (cars). Having the grid "safe" would do nothing in this case. The world would be in chaos and financially destroyed well before your new un-fried TV arrives to your home thanks to the neighborhood new and un-fried delivery truck (not to mention manufacturing, etc etc etc). In other words, there's absolutely nothing you can do society wise if an EMP hits. It literally going to be the end of the world as you know it, even if the "grid" still works. Most people won't survive. The only thing I can think of that would ever prevent an EMP from wiping out modern society would be to somehow invent circuts that can't be fried, make it cheaper/as cheap as using normal circuts, and have it be out on the market long enough for it to simply be used in everything. Something like this though would have to be invented pretty much now, and would have to slowly start being adopted as a standard for everything in a span of 50 or so years so even the tiny little wires going through a random abandoned building are protected. And you better hope an EMP doesn't strike before then![/QUOTE] Having the grid safe though would mean a quicker recovery. But yea society would collapse and basically it would mean nothing.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;41684660]We did it before. You forget, we didn't always have electricity.[/QUOTE] Yeah no one is saying humanity would not survive it. What we're saying is that the next decade would be utterly brutal and there would be a huge massive loss of life in the civilised world. some cities even would become essentially uninhabitable in under a month of no power. [QUOTE=TheDecryptor;41694172]There's these things called backup generators that important infrastructure uses, so in case of a power loss they just don't stop functioning. And again, it's not going to take power out of things like batteries, your car will still start.[/QUOTE] The thing is, while we might maintain power generation methods, a lot of technology is reliant on circuit boards and many other fairly sensitive components. Which means that a lot of fairly critical infrastructure would be useless even if we had the power. Since it would be toast until repairs could be made. Now it depends how quickly those could be enacted, with quickly spreading panic. [QUOTE=TheDecryptor;41680982]The way some people are acting it's as if the EMP would "remove" all forms of power entirely, break all the plumbing and spoil all forms of food. It might surprise you to know that the power grid can be repaired fairly easily, water doesn't rely on electricity, and neither does food. Edit: And if the CME was so strong that it was somehow a world wide event, you have bigger problems than no electricity.[/QUOTE] That's because it kinda is in fact. - large scale waterworks that push water into cities - power based - water treatment plants - massive amounts of foods including vegetable stuff are kept alright due to refrigeration in massive warehouses, not even talking about meat, transportation of said food and what not - lots of plumbing in apartment complexes are actually based on power as well, you just don't see since it's behind walls - hell a lot of damns need functioning electronics to operate correctly. Essentially something that would fry the majority of our electronics (not just the grid, the electronics themselves) would fuck us over royally. It wouldn't be the end for us as a species. But I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in a good two billion or even more deaths. Probably more actually. Mind you, spread across something like five years of course and with a variety of reasons for the deaths. Famine Cold Hygine Thirst Would definitely be the big four. After that you have stuff like violence.

Are there any other sources about this?

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Just so you know, cars act like faraday cages, and usually car electronics also are encased in metal cans, which also are faraday cages.

The faraday effect that a car has will not protect it from a EMP just so you guys know, the cars electronics and electrical items within will still be frazzled. I read up on it a few days ago, its something about it not being correctly grounded and a mixture of metals and composites..

Come to think of it, we did have a blackout in our neighborhood around that time, but I believe that was because a transformer exploded from the NJ heat wave...