Microsoft reportedly installing Windows 10 without consent -- again - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Demache;49928385]No I don't understand what you mean. I mean, yes, obviously I'm running GTA V on DX11. What games are you talking about in particular that have that issue? I can't think of many 64 bit games that weren't DX 11 and ever came close to that much RAM. You have to give examples. Apparently its not that common of an issue if many people are having a problem understanding what you mean. I'm also not finding anything about it on Google when I search "windows 10 3.2 gb".[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why you would consider [I]GTAV[/I] LEGACY software, because it isn't kinda even that, but since you mentioned games I'll humor you, even though that's actually not the applications I'm talking about. Since I've got a 4K monitor, I'll go ahead and run the special texture mode for AvP 2010 in DX9 with max everything else. Oh hey look, windows closes out the game on the Predator refinery level, why is that, because it goes over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10. Looking over the Steam list, there's Skyrim, that's still pretty damn popular right? We'll just throw the ENBoost on so Skyrim can access whatever amount of memory needed to run all those ridiculous overscripted need and weather realism mods without CTDing every five seconds... oh wait, we can't, because 10 won't allow enboost or Skyrim to access more than 3.6 gigs of addressable space. Here's my personal mod for Mass Effect 3 that uses texture and shader substitution developed to call the hashes for 3's tiny-ass PS3 textures and replace them with 4K maps so the game looks like it was made after 1998- oh wait, we can't, cause them big ass 4K textures go over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10, and this in Vram not ram, which 10 shouldn't even be involved in to begin with. Same for Doom 3, which doesn't even use DX at all. Now while I'm not even talking about games specifically, there ya go.

[QUOTE=27X;49930871]I'm not sure why you would consider [I]GTAV[/I] LEGACY software, because it isn't kinda even that, but since you mentioned games I'll humor you, even though that's actually not the applications I'm talking about. Since I've got a 4K monitor, I'll go ahead and run the special texture mode for AvP 2010 in DX9 with max everything else. Oh hey look, windows closes out the game on the Predator refinery level, why is that, because it goes over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10. Looking over the Steam list, there's Skyrim, that's still pretty damn popular right? We'll just throw the ENBoost on so Skyrim can access whatever amount of memory needed to run all those ridiculous overscripted need and weather realism mods without CTDing every five seconds... oh wait, we can't, because 10 won't allow enboost or Skyrim to access more than 3.6 gigs of addressable space. Here's my personal mod for Mass Effect 3 that uses texture and shader substitution developed to call the hashes for 3's tiny-ass PS3 textures and replace them with 4K maps so the game looks like it was made after 1998- oh wait, we can't, cause them big ass 4K textures go over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10, and this in Vram not ram, which 10 shouldn't even be involved in to begin with. Same for Doom 3, which doesn't even use DX at all. Now while I'm not even talking about games specifically, there ya go.[/QUOTE] That's nice and all, but again, where is this [i]documented?[/i]

I really like how Microsoft is trying to enforce their bloody OS on everyone, meanwhile I am here trying to figure out why the fuck does their so beloved OS eats away over 1,5GB of RAM.

[QUOTE=27X;49930871]I'm not sure why you would consider [I]GTAV[/I] LEGACY software, because it isn't kinda even that, but since you mentioned games I'll humor you, even though that's actually not the applications I'm talking about. Since I've got a 4K monitor, I'll go ahead and run the special texture mode for AvP 2010 in DX9 with max everything else. Oh hey look, windows closes out the game on the Predator refinery level, why is that, because it goes over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10. Looking over the Steam list, there's Skyrim, that's still pretty damn popular right? We'll just throw the ENBoost on so Skyrim can access whatever amount of memory needed to run all those ridiculous overscripted need and weather realism mods without CTDing every five seconds... oh wait, we can't, because 10 won't allow enboost or Skyrim to access more than 3.6 gigs of addressable space. Here's my personal mod for Mass Effect 3 that uses texture and shader substitution developed to call the hashes for 3's tiny-ass PS3 textures and replace them with 4K maps so the game looks like it was made after 1998- oh wait, we can't, cause them big ass 4K textures go over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10, and this in Vram not ram, which 10 shouldn't even be involved in to begin with. Same for Doom 3, which doesn't even use DX at all. Now while I'm not even talking about games specifically, there ya go.[/QUOTE] isn't there a way to set a flag in the exe to use more than 4GB? I know you can do that with skyrim because it's 32-bit to begin with. This seems like a problem imposed by the devs rather than W10, but enlighten me.

I do not mean to prolong this thread, but why don't folks just turn automatic updates off? I did that months ago and the most I get is a little reminder in the taskbar going Win10 is ready.

[quote] and the best part is how they hid the "Decline" button in the more info button.[/quote] This has been a thing since ever. If you didnt know that clicking more info would reveal a decline button, then you should probably get the update because you dont know how to adequately use the software. Google chrome does the same shit on sketchy pages

[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;49931012]isn't there a way to set a flag in the exe to use more than 4GB? I know you can do that with skyrim because it's 32-bit to begin with. This seems like a problem imposed by the devs rather than W10, but enlighten me.[/QUOTE] Nope. It's an arbitrary limit imposed by Microsoft. This isn't a case where you flip the LAA flag on and *poof*.

[QUOTE=27X;49931280]Nope. It's an arbitrary limit imposed by Microsoft. This isn't a case where you flip the LAA flag on and *poof*.[/QUOTE] I'll ask one more time, for fun. Where - anywhere - does Microsoft or any sort of developer with any sort of official capacity ever point out, describe, and/or explain Win10 suddenly implementing a 3.2GB memory limit for certain so-called "legacy" 64-bit applications? First you said it's only for DX11, then you said it happens with DX9, and now you say it happens on anything (including non-DX). You haven't at all described anything "legacy" about it. I just ran Minecraft with 8GB allocation (for mapping) and it ran just fine, and that uses OpenGL, so clearly, this is not a "every application is limited" but you haven't actually explained how you define "legacy". Is it any application that's less than 64-bit? Because again, [i]that's just how WOW handles 32 and 16-bit applications[/i]. It has before, it does now, and it will forever. Or is it only for certain DX games? [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] Also LAA support was not dropped for Win10. 32-bit LAA applications still work fine.

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;49930996]I really like how Microsoft is trying to enforce their bloody OS on everyone, meanwhile I am here trying to figure out why the fuck does their so beloved OS eats away over 1,5GB of RAM.[/QUOTE] Super fetch. It will always scale to total installed ram. It will use less if you have less RAM. There's just no point to have idle memory sitting open when it can be used to cache applications and services.

[QUOTE=27X;49931280]Nope. It's an arbitrary limit imposed by Microsoft. This isn't a case where you flip the LAA flag on and *poof*.[/QUOTE] So on my W10 PC, all my games are restricted to 3.2 gb? Why does Just Cause 3 take up fucking 8 then

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49931381]So on my W10 PC, all my games are restricted to 3.2 gb? Why does Just Cause 3 take up fucking 8 then[/QUOTE] Apparently there is this mythical limit that may apply some mysterious situation that only 27X is aware of. And we are all morons for not knowing about it despite no mention of its existence anywhere except some anecdotes.

[QUOTE=redBadger;49925444]I think the dedication for people NOT to move to Win10 is even funnier.[/QUOTE] I installed win 10 a few days after it came out, i had icons and options literally disappearing permanently after a few days and it kept getting worse, it also broke the installation of a few games i had, which resulted in BSODs if i tried to open them, so i rolled back and didn't look back, win 10 still has many bugs.

I have automatic updates and still never got it pushed to me, thankfully. I don't want to update for a while, it took me quite some time to get my win10 laptop set up just to be able to program properly. Also Windows 10 is a clusterfuck of visual styles, I really don't like that.

[QUOTE=Demache;49931398]Apparently there is this mythical limit that may apply some mysterious situation that only 27X is aware of. And we are all morons for not knowing about it despite no mention of its existence anywhere except some anecdotes.[/QUOTE] I've had games forcibly minimize at random when playing with friends on Windows 10 PCs, but they weren't because they went over 4GB because 64-bit games ran fine. There's something that's causing it, but I doubt it's any arbitrary limits from Windows 10.

My mum is going to be so pissed when she opens up her laptop from 2005 with WinXP to find a sudden upgrade that I honestly didn't do

[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49931616]My mum is going to be so pissed when she opens up her laptop from 2005 with WinXP to find a sudden upgrade that I honestly didn't do[/QUOTE] Uhm, Windows XP isn't eligible for the Windows 10 upgrade, so she won't be upgraded off that old, progressively more unsafe OS anytime soon (unless you do something about it I guess).

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49925461]1. The shitty incompatiblities happening and breaking computers. 2. The Privacy Debacle. 3. People don't want to change.[/QUOTE] 1. Win10 Has better compability than Win7 2. Was so fucking overblown and overhyped that people now think it spies on you and it doesn't 3. Great, lets have XP hold outs again You can go ahead and use Windows 7, but don't load in horseshit. [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=27X;49931280]Nope. It's an arbitrary limit imposed by Microsoft. This isn't a case where you flip the LAA flag on and *poof*.[/QUOTE] The fuck? Dude none of the games I've played have had that issue. You're talking out your ass.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49931594]I've had games forcibly minimize at random when playing with friends on Windows 10 PCs, but they weren't because they went over 4GB because 64-bit games ran fine. There's something that's causing it, but I doubt it's any arbitrary limits from Windows 10.[/QUOTE] That one I can actually believe because it's documented and has a plausible cause. None of this "vague description of an issue nobody knows about except me that I can't even get my facts straight".

[QUOTE=Snowmew;49931341]I'll ask one more time, for fun. Where - anywhere - does Microsoft or any sort of developer with any sort of official capacity ever point out, describe, and/or explain Win10 suddenly implementing a 3.2GB memory limit for certain so-called "legacy" 64-bit applications? First you said it's only for DX11, then you said it happens with DX9, and now you say it happens on anything (including non-DX). You haven't at all described anything "legacy" about it. I just ran Minecraft with 8GB allocation (for mapping) and it ran just fine, and that uses OpenGL, so clearly, this is not a "every application is limited" but you haven't actually explained how you define "legacy". Is it any application that's less than 64-bit? Because again, [I]that's just how WOW handles 32 and 16-bit applications[/I]. It has before, it does now, and it will forever. Or is it only for certain DX games? [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] Also LAA support was not dropped for Win10. 32-bit LAA applications still work fine.[/QUOTE] Never said any such thing relative to dx11, in fact I said the opposite, you're simply too busy rushing to the defence to actually read, which you tend to do. It's on the ENB forums for one thing, Skyrim forums by the author of the memory patch for another, and on Microsoft's home kb for legacy application compatibility for the last. LAA support was never stated to have been dropped either by me, you are astoundingly bad at reading.

[QUOTE=Swilly;49931657]Dude none of the games I've played have had that issue. You're talking out your ass.[/QUOTE] Just because you've never had it happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That's a big issue with computers in general, the sheer amount of permutations of hardware and software make virtually no two machines the same, and thus errors that happen on one may literally never happen on another. It's not always the games fault that it breaks, sometimes it really is caused from the particular gumbo that is your computer.

[QUOTE=ubersoldier;49931704]Just because you've never had it happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That's a big issue with computers in general, the sheer amount of permutations of hardware and software make virtually no two machines the same, and thus errors that happen on one may literally never happen on another. It's not always the games fault that it breaks, sometimes it really is caused from the particular gumbo that is your computer.[/QUOTE] This is him saying that it's a feature of the OS. He's wrong.

[QUOTE=27X;49931699]Never said any such thing relative to dx11, in fact I said the opposite, you're simply too busy rushing to the defence to actually read, which you tend to do. It's on the ENB forums for one thing, Skyrim forums by the author of the memory patch for another, and on Microsoft's home kb for legacy application compatibility for the last. LAA support was never stated to have been dropped either by me, you are astoundingly bad at reading.[/QUOTE] So you're getting mad at Microsoft for...Bethesda's lazyness? Also I thought they patched and fixed Skyrim to access more than 4 gigs.

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;49930996]I really like how Microsoft is trying to enforce their bloody OS on everyone, meanwhile I am here trying to figure out why the fuck does their so beloved OS eats away over 1,5GB of RAM.[/QUOTE] Unused RAM is wasted RAM. If you actually, seriously, need that RAM Windows will shut off background services using it. As it has done since Windows Vista. This is not a new change caused by Windows 10.

[QUOTE=Swilly;49931872]So you're getting mad at Microsoft for...Bethesda's lazyness? Also I thought they patched and fixed Skyrim to access more than 4 gigs.[/QUOTE] IIRC they changed it to work more like how the PS3 version handled memory, which made it run a bit worse.

[QUOTE=27X;49931699]Never said any such thing relative to dx11, in fact I said the opposite, you're simply too busy rushing to the defence to actually read, which you tend to do. It's on the ENB forums for one thing, Skyrim forums by the author of the memory patch for another, and on Microsoft's home kb for legacy application compatibility for the last. LAA support was never stated to have been dropped either by me, you are astoundingly bad at reading.[/QUOTE] "oh yeah it's on the forums for a video game mod also it's on the microsoft kb somewhere idk" How about some links, pal? Specifically for the KB article where it says that 64-bit applications are limited to 3.2GB when not running under DX11? Because I don't believe that it's a Win10-only limitation for a second.

I get why Microsoft is pushing it (less fragmentation means less overall issues), but it should still be a clear choice in the end. I have no issues at all with Windows 10 and much prefer it over 7 so far (it just runs much smoother and actually uses less RAM), but I can understand why some wouldn't want to upgrade. Some reasons are just silly though. Especially the NSA/privacy related ones. If you're really concerned about the NSA spying on you, then it would be best for you to not be on the internet in general, as you're more than likely on an internet connection with an ISP that is fully collaborating with them. Not even switching to a fully free GNU/Linux distro will save you there, and using a VPN will only give the NSA more incentive to keep an eye on your activities. At that point, it's best to just not give a shit that the NSA knows that you jerk it to hentai.

[QUOTE=Flubbman;49926413]My computer just shut itself off, while I was actively using it, and started installing Windows 10 nnnniiiicccceeee [editline]March 2016[/editline] [t]http://i.imgur.com/Vzp9k5kh.jpg[/t] yeah it's alright, I didn't lose [I]that[/I] much progress anyway thx microsoft :smile:[/QUOTE] Don't worry, that'll keep happening now that you have windows 10. They let you schedule an update and then ignore your scheduled time completely. Updates also reset random settings for a lot of people. I've given up on keeping my settings the way I want them. I also lost my entire pictures folder (~30 gb of mostly photoshop work) because Windows 10 didn't like the fact that it was on my secondary hard drive. Plus for me and some other users, if you leave the computer on overnight this one system program takes up a huge amount of ram and renders the computer unstable and unusable. I didn't realize that was what caused the crashing and stuttering until half a year into using this OS. I've had a ton of other problems too, but was able to fix those (sorry average user who isn't as proficient with computers). If Microsoft is going to force users to use a certain version of their software, they sure as hell need to ensure that it's near flawless. That being said, I don't regret getting Windows 10. It's 1000% better than Windows 8 and the UI is so very slick.

[QUOTE=Coment;49930453]Or it won't and it will pass all the registry stuff just fine, who knows. Source: I upgraded two computers with programs in another partition; I just had to make sure the letters matched (so S: keeps being S:, B: keeps being B:, etc).[/QUOTE] I had c remain c and e remain e and it disassociated everything in e

[QUOTE=The Rizzler;49927833]raz r23 sat back. his work was done. Despite the fact his comment was entirely subjective, included no points of argument or attempt at persuasiveness whatsoever and was what could only amount to a statement, he probably still took solace in the fact that his opinion, however brief, was in the public sphere. It was surely influencing the minds of those sheeple he might know as prospective Windows 10 users, and only for the better. He took one last glance over this hastily typed comment. A skipped letter on the end of 'Yeah' to kick things off; artful, truly artful. This would accurately convey his disinterest in Windows 10. He had exercised a similar styling to the ellipsis separating the two clauses of his sentence, taking off one period mark and leaving only two. The effect was completed and arguably strengthened by his lack of a full stop to end the sentence - the punctuational cherry on top, if you will. Overall, the comment was snappy, succinct, but written with an air of disinterest and crudity. Take heed, do not mistake my writing for an attack on our cherished subject's character, as I can assure you this text is purely in the name of analysis and bears no bias. Truly, what was raz r23 thinking when he took it upon himself to release this gem of insight upon the world at large? Dear reader, one can only speculate. Was raz r23 the supreme architect of his prose, engineering every word to achieve the maximum possible effect upon whoever laid eyes upon his work, or was he merely a dribbling simpleton, the sprinkling of synapses in his mind barely firing as the letters lurched themselves onto his screen? We can never really know for sure, but one thing holds true; the annoyance at this lack of comprehension can only be compared to the feeling one experiences when reading a trademark raz r23 comment.[/QUOTE] Like a boss. [url]https://youtu.be/NisCkxU544c[/url]

[QUOTE=Snowmew;49930931]That's nice and all, but again, where is this [i]documented?[/i][/QUOTE] I love how this is complete bullshit, as my GTA V uses a shit load of ram, so does SFM and any of my other apps and they do not abide to this limit. Cheat Engine too does this while pointer scanning.