Microsoft reportedly installing Windows 10 without consent -- again - Polidicks

[QUOTE=27X;49930871]the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10.[/QUOTE] [highlight]Wrong.[/highlight] The 4GB limit isn't arbitrary; it's because the program you're running is only a 32 bit executable, so even if you're running a 64 bit OS, that particular application doesn't comprehend more than 4GB of memory. I forget the exact equation because it's a late night at the moment but 2^32 is involved. Now, if Windows developers had been doing the [i]right[/i] thing and started moving to 64 bit applications years ago (figure about Win7's release at the latest), you wouldn't have this problem. But they didn't, and now the mistakes of an entire ecosystem of dumbass developers now adversely affects you (even though all you're trying to do is make your games prettier). It's not Microsoft's fault, they've had a stable 64 bit operating system since Vista ("stable" meaning "it doesn't fall apart more than the 32 bit version does"). It's Bioware's/Bethesda's/...

Can confirm that Windows 10 will install itself without permission. Canceled an automatic installing window, watched 1/2 of an episode of Clone Wars, computer restarted and I was greeted with this fresh hell. The biggest issue that I have is that I cannot see my minimized windows behind this fucking "search the web and windows" bar. How the fuck did that even happen?

[QUOTE=lavacano;49935071][highlight]Wrong.[/highlight] The 4GB limit isn't arbitrary; it's because the program you're running is only a 32 bit executable, so even if you're running a 64 bit OS, that particular application doesn't comprehend more than 4GB of memory. I forget the exact equation because it's a late night at the moment but 2^32 is involved. Now, if Windows developers had been doing the [i]right[/i] thing and started moving to 64 bit applications years ago (figure about Win7's release at the latest), you wouldn't have this problem. But they didn't, and now the mistakes of an entire ecosystem of dumbass developers now adversely affects you (even though all you're trying to do is make your games prettier). It's not Microsoft's fault, they've had a stable 64 bit operating system since Vista ("stable" meaning "it doesn't fall apart more than the 32 bit version does"). It's Bioware's/Bethesda's/...[/QUOTE] Yet it's apparent on the interwebs, that on windows 7 this is not the case.

32-bit just needs to die quicker. Games are accessing up to 8 GB of memory these days and I want my monies worth of 16 GB.

[QUOTE=Neroxen;49938344]Yet it's apparent on the interwebs, that on windows 7 this is not the case.[/QUOTE] Windows 7 didn't overcome a mathematical limitation of 32 bit binaries.

[QUOTE=Neroxen;49938344]Yet it's apparent on the interwebs, that on windows 7 this is not the case.[/QUOTE] Look here, it's simple. On Win32 you are limited to 2GB per program, 3.5GB total. That's just how the memory pointers are designed. 32-bit pointers max out at 2^32-1 which is 4GB, half of that is reserved for system use on 32-bit operating systems. On 64-bit systems, if you enable LAA for the program, the OS will allow the pointer to reference the entire 4GB as allocated to that program with no system usage (because the system does not need to take up half of that pointer, so it can let the program use it all). So [b]it is never, ever, at all possible for a single 32-bit executable to use more than 4GB of RAM on any standard operating system under any circumstances[/b]. Windows 7 [b]does not[/b] somehow magically solve this limitation - much less did Windows 10 for some reason decide to drop this miraculous solution. It is literally impossible, given the way computers are designed, to break mathematics and somehow allocate more than 4GB of memory to a program which is not capable of actually addressing that memory.

Thanks for setting up my mind on using Ubuntu, Pajeets.

[QUOTE=lavacano;49935071][highlight]Wrong.[/highlight] The 4GB limit isn't arbitrary; it's because the program you're running is only a 32 bit executable, so even if you're running a 64 bit OS, that particular application doesn't comprehend more than 4GB of memory. I forget the exact equation because it's a late night at the moment but 2^32 is involved. Now, if Windows developers had been doing the [i]right[/i] thing and started moving to 64 bit applications years ago (figure about Win7's release at the latest), you wouldn't have this problem. But they didn't, and now the mistakes of an entire ecosystem of dumbass developers now adversely affects you (even though all you're trying to do is make your games prettier). It's not Microsoft's fault, they've had a stable 64 bit operating system since Vista ("stable" meaning "it doesn't fall apart more than the 32 bit version does"). It's Bioware's/Bethesda's/...[/QUOTE] But how about PAE? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Microsoft_Windows[/url] Couldn't Microsoft just pay the f license to use it on their expensive OS?

[QUOTE=27X;49930871] Since I've got a 4K monitor, I'll go ahead and run the special texture mode for AvP 2010 in DX9 with max everything else. Oh hey look, windows closes out the game on the Predator refinery level, why is that, because it goes over the arbitrary 4 gig limit imposed by 10. [/QUOTE] I'm running a monitor natively at 2160p and have a 64-bit win10, literally have never heard of the "4 gig" limit ever, and have never noticed any such behavior in fact just cause 3 I've noticed using far more than 4gb are you using a 32 bit version of windows 10 or something [QUOTE=27X;49931280]Nope. It's an arbitrary limit imposed by Microsoft. This isn't a case where you flip the LAA flag on and *poof*.[/QUOTE] This sounds like something you pulled directly out of your arse mate post links where this has been documented like others have asked

[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;49942979]But how about PAE? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Microsoft_Windows[/url] Couldn't Microsoft just pay the f license to use it on their expensive OS?[/QUOTE] Windows already has PAE enabled on most editions. The licensing refers to the Windows version licensing limiting the memory that Windows will recognise (the figures in the table). 32 bit programs only being able to address 32 bits is not related. sizeof(void) will return 4 (bytes / 32 bits) in a 32 bit build and 8 (bytes / 64 bits) in a 64 bit build.

[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;49942979]But how about PAE? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Microsoft_Windows[/url] Couldn't Microsoft just pay the f license to use it on their expensive OS?[/QUOTE] PAE lets you access more physical memory in a 32-bit OS, but will not allow a 32-bit binary to overcome the 4GB limit.

[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;49942979]But how about PAE? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Microsoft_Windows[/url] Couldn't Microsoft just pay the f license to use it on their expensive OS?[/QUOTE] OS Addressing (PAE) and program addressing are different. PAE lets the OS address more than 4 GB, but programs will still have the 4 GB limit. PAE has been around since the 90s, but part of the reason for switching to 64 bit OS's and programs is because they support those larger addresses natively without workarounds.

I really don't understand all the complaints about compatibility, I just upgraded a client's machine to Win10 and it supported her QuickBooks 1999. [IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/wgHtOR2.jpg[/IMG_thumb]

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;49953349]I really don't understand all the complaints about compatibility, I just upgraded a client's machine to Win10 and it supported her QuickBooks 1999. [IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/wgHtOR2.jpg[/IMG_thumb][/QUOTE] This is impressive after dealing with kludgework of 2015's "database" servers in W7 and 2008 R2.

this just happened to my parent's computer. a large box appeared saying windows 10 will install in 1 hour (at the time it was 58 minutes). absolutely disgusting force they're using. i'm not going to argue its specifications and features over previous versions. i simply have no respect to go anywhere near 10, not after this shit.

[QUOTE=dot.rich;49960008]this just happened to my parent's computer. a large box appeared saying windows 10 will install in 1 hour (at the time it was 58 minutes). absolutely disgusting force they're using. i'm not going to argue its specifications and features over previous versions. i simply have no respect to go anywhere near 10, not after this shit.[/QUOTE] Weird it seems to install mostly for older people who may not be very good at computers... my guess is they're not installing this without "permission". The options are deceptive (you have to close the window to decline installing), but you do have the option if you know about it. I'll believe all this the day it actually happens to me. I'm on automatic recommended updates and seemingly I'm still running Windows 8.1.

Had Windows 10 show up in the "Important" updates section (as opposed to recommended or optional) on a client's computer today. Hid the update, completed all the others, no longer my problem, but I get the feeling she'll be back.