all the more reason for me to move over there and spread the love WEEABOO PRIDE
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34613042]Malthus has been proven wrong for the past 2 centuries. Technological developments and improving lives in other parts of the world are slowly rising food production to keep in line with population growth.
This earth can support billions more people, and to celebrate the fact that whole races of people are dying out is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE]
How can you possibly say that the Earth can support several billion more people? We're barely supporting ourselves as it is, and if we don't either take advantage of renewable technology or expand into space soon, things are going to start going downhill.
Besides, it's been estimated multiple times that the natural carrying capacity of Earth is around 2.1 billion people. After we get past the "natural" factor that number swings between 2.1 and 8-9 billion.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;34615732]all the more reason for me to move over there and spread the love WEEABOO PRIDE[/QUOTE]
millions of little vedis restoring nippon to its former glory... the very idea makes me weep
with joy obv
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34613042]Malthus has been proven wrong for the past 2 centuries.[/QUOTE]
To be quite fair, Malthus was never right to begin with. He had no support for the idea of a Malthusian catastrophe, only a model of his own design and speculation. There is absolutely no proof nor sound theoretical basis that would could or would occur. I wouldn't deign to humor it in a serious conversation.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;34614598]Billions of people you say? Fuck that. We can't keep a good portion of the existing population living happy or healthy, do we [I]really[/i] need more? We got overcrowded class rooms, emptying aquifers, overcrowded cities, and people dying in remote villages from thirst and preventable illnesses. I say we get our shit together before dumping anymore innocent fetuses into our mess.[/QUOTE]
I think the general idea is more "things don't need to be as they are, because we could do better with more", not that "more people is a good thing".
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34615757]How can you possibly say that the Earth can support several billion more people? We're barely supporting ourselves as it is, and if we don't either take advantage of renewable technology or expand into space soon, things are going to start going downhill.
Besides, it's been estimated multiple times that the natural carrying capacity of Earth is around 2.1 billion people. After we get past the "natural" factor that number swings between 2.1 and 8-9 billion.[/QUOTE]
Earth has no carrying capacity, in the sense that you mean. There is no "natural" capacity for humans by definition, and considering the "Earth's capacity to support people is determined both by natural constraints and by human choices concerning economics, environment, culture (including values and politics), and demography", "human carrying capacity is therefore dynamic and uncertain. Human choice is not captured by ecological notions of carrying capacity that are appropriate for nonhuman populations." Anyone giving you a specific figure outside a very lose model or a snapshot analysis is full of shit.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34615760]Yes it can support billions of people.
Food wise that is, we only have so much fresh water and other vital natural resources.
If everyone lived in a developed country we would burn out Earth's resources fast.[/QUOTE]
I'd love proof of that claim.
I guess when I say "carrying capacity" I mean the difference between living on a vibrant, beautiful green/blue ball and living on a giant pile of trash, irradiated waste and concrete.
Here, have some more non-anime related reasons to live in Japan:
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[IMG]http://www.photofunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Japanese_Parks-8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mytokyoguide.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/happo-en.jpg?w=640[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.japantravelinfo.com/newsletter/mice/2008_06/images/image005.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.japan-hopper.com/wp-content/photos/Syakotan1_1_2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jTCIupB862M/SKx9_xgBvXI/AAAAAAAACZE/Mz7aKHKxmXU/s400/1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.japan-guide.com/g2/2292_11.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.drainthatbrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/onsen.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://media.lonelyplanet.com/lpi/25409/25409-40/681x454.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://japan-articles.japanican.com/en/img/kikuya_kairou.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.foodfashionista.com/.a/6a00e553e71852883301156ef5706f970c-500pi[/IMG]
[IMG]http://eatfamilystyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/japanese-food-stall.jpg[/IMG]
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I guess I'm just tired of people thinking that all Japan consists of is "kawaii robot tentacle rape-desuu" shit
v:v:v
[editline]9th February 2012[/editline]
Goddamnit now I'm really hungry
I don't think anybody actually thinks that
[QUOTE=Sanius;34616125]I don't think anybody actually thinks that[/QUOTE]
What where have you been for the last five years?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34616007]You do realize Earth has limited resources right? Iron, Coal, and the tons of other resources we use don't just appear out of thin air, there's only so much shit we can pull out of the planet before it's a husk of it's former self.
Developed countries consume significantly more resources than undeveloped ones, just compare the average lives of someone living in America or Europe to anyone living in Africa or undeveloped parts of China, and Middle East, if the entire human population lived similar to Americans or Europeans we'd use up everything a lot faster.[/QUOTE]
Iron gets recycled.
It doesn't get "burned" like coal.
Malthus was a dumbass. "Exponential" growth only appears in developing countries, mainly because less people are dying. As countries develop, there is less incentive for producing more children, so that drops, to meet, if not descend below, the death rate.
Main reason why developing countries suck is because of political conditions. You have the local warlords controlling food supplies in Africa.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34616007]You do realize Earth has limited resources right? Iron, Coal, and the tons of other resources we use don't just appear out of thin air, there's only so much shit we can pull out of the planet before it's a husk of it's former self.
Developed countries consume significantly more resources than undeveloped ones, just compare the average lives of someone living in America or Europe to anyone living in Africa or undeveloped parts of China, and Middle East, if the entire human population lived similar to Americans or Europeans we'd use up everything a lot faster.[/QUOTE]
Iron and carbon don't just magically fucking vanish into thin air when they're used either. You'd also do well to note the amount of developed country waste which comes as a result of poor governance, corruption and general logistic incompetence. A good example is the U.S.'s amazing surplus cheese caves. Obviously one assumes when talking about an increased body count they're also including a crackdown on the known waste. Saying we [I]can't[/I] support more people is a bit like saying you can't drive a car with a hole in the tire any further than you have- sure you can, you just need to do some maintenance first.
This is actually pretty good. I mean it's not optimal, but the human race seriously needs to start limiting population growth. The optimum number of kids a couple should have is 2.1 per family, based on reproduction rates throughout the world. (In before some dumbass makes a .1 of a person joke) Japan is doing their part to limit population growth, although perhaps too much; compared to china and india who are fucking like rabbits. Well, at least china is [I]trying[/I] to limit it.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34616209]Iron and carbon don't just magically fucking vanish into thin air when they're used either. You'd also do well to note the amount of developed country waste which comes as a result of poor governance, corruption and general logistic incompetence. A good example is the U.S.'s amazing surplus cheese caves. Obviously one assumes when talking about an increased body count they're also including a crackdown on the known waste. Saying we [I]can't[/I] support more people is a bit like saying you can't drive a car with a hole in the tire any further than you have- sure you can, you just need to do some maintenance first.[/QUOTE]
This is actually point environmentalists seem to forget often.
The very single thing we need to sustain the earth ecosystem in whatever way, more or less artificial, regardless of how badly we fuck the original up, is energy. With enough energy, you can produce plastic out of shit and food out of plastic. With enough energy you can purge the worst contamination. With energy you can make fucking coal out of air - point is that nobody does it, as right now, we still are lacking energy.
Get better energy sources - laugh at economy until universal entropy fucks us over.
Doesn't surprise me. Most of the women's genitals are ravaged by tentacles.
Meanwhile: Pillow Waifu Children birth rates are on the rise!
Decreasing population is mainly good for this planet.
[QUOTE=FPChris;34617085]Decreasing population is mainly good for this planet.[/QUOTE]
So its fine to let an entire nation of people just die out?
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;34616276]This is actually pretty good. I mean it's not optimal, but the human race seriously needs to start limiting population growth. The optimum number of kids a couple should have is 2.1 per family, based on reproduction rates throughout the world. (In before some dumbass makes a .1 of a person joke) Japan is doing their part to limit population growth, although perhaps too much; compared to china and india who are fucking like rabbits. Well, at least china is [I]trying[/I] to limit it.[/QUOTE]
Population growth slows down the more high living standards the country has. After new ideas and techologies such as birth control come about and sexuality is much more open, the number of people having babies drops. If the entire world were to be developed to a First world level, the population WOULD level off.
The reason for the massive recent population growth is due to the introduction of new advances in medicine and food which allows more mouths to be fed and more babies to survive childbirth. Only once birth control, the weakening of religion on society, use of condoms and open sexualities along with people noting that high birth rates make families too big, then you will get the rate decreasing.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34612930][IMG]http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/human_pop/demotran.gif[/IMG]
Can you say with certainty it's not the other way around, and that factors drove their population to a particularly high peak, and time is simply doing as it does and bringing them back down to equilibrium?[/QUOTE]
No, because that tends to be a global feeling, not just a regional feeling.
What pisses me off is that the Japanese government doesn't recognise dual nationality.
There are many Japanese people who have a foreign parent or were born abroad, and thus have several citezenships. In my case for instance: I've a Japanese mother and an American/British father, however when I'm 21 I'll have to forfeit my US and UK passports in order to keep Japanese citezenship, not really an option for me.
Once I'm finished with my studies, this will make returning to Japan to work a bitch for me.
There are many in my situation and often they opt for the other citizenship, because of this many would be Japanese nationals are lost to foreign nations.
The portion of marriages with foreigners in Japan is constantly growing and the State is blind to this.
[QUOTE=Swilly;34587818]They are extremely wrong as the suicide rate can attest to.
They also grow up no learning this from real life experience, but through dating games.[/QUOTE]
They are wrong that relationships are too difficult and not worth the energy because there is a high suicide rate in Japan? Relationships [I]are[/I] too difficult and not worth the energy.
2060 you say? Just clone more people/make robots.
[QUOTE=chumchum;34619709]What pisses me off is that the Japanese government doesn't recognise dual nationality.
There are many Japanese people who have a foreign parent or were born abroad, and thus have several citezenships. In my case for instance: I've a Japanese mother and an American/British father, however when I'm 21 I'll have to forfeit my US and UK passports in order to keep Japanese citezenship, not really an option for me.
Once I'm finished with my studies, this will make returning to Japan to work a bitch for me.
There are many in my situation and often they opt for the other citizenship, because of this many would be Japanese nationals are lost to foreign nations.
The portion of marriages with foreigners in Japan is constantly growing and the State is blind to this.[/QUOTE]
What state do you live in?
You could potentially write a letter to your governor and propose that they raise the issue to Congress.
I get the feeling that if the U.S. government brought the topic up the Japanese government would be more than willing to listen.
Well then, more incentive to make immortality a reality.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34616055]Here, have some more non-anime related reasons to live in Japan:
I guess I'm just tired of people thinking that all Japan consists of is "kawaii robot tentacle rape-desuu" shit
v:v:v
[editline]9th February 2012[/editline]
Goddamnit now I'm really hungry[/QUOTE]
Huh, you conveniently forgot to mention the discrimination of foreigners.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;34670395]Huh, you conveniently forgot to mention the discrimination of foreigners.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk[/media]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;34668128]They are wrong that relationships are too difficult and not worth the energy because there is a high suicide rate in Japan? Relationships [I]are[/I] too difficult and not worth the energy.[/QUOTE]
They're not that hard.
I really don't get how so many people make it difficult.
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