[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18557638]Well that's never friendly[/QUOTE]
You never know! You might learn something.
[QUOTE=TH89;18557732]You never know! You might learn something.[/QUOTE]
I think I'm slightly dyslexic; that sentence was supposed to say "Well that's [B]not very[/B] friendly"
Not really related, I just thought that was strange. Lately I've also been switching 'ch' and 'sh' around, too...
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18557716]You know what really turns me?
When someone thinks they made a point when in reality all they did was throw up a bunch of insults and subjective opinions.[/QUOTE]
Why are poor people even poor?? Can't their dad just send them to business school so they can own a factory???
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18556481]Because i said it's not too hard to make money i must be 13? or because i called his grandad piss-poor?
If you've got nothing inventive to say then why do you post?[/QUOTE]
you sound like a 13 year old know it all
[QUOTE=laval;18558104]Why are poor people even poor?? Can't their dad just send them to business school so they can own a factory???[/QUOTE]
:rolleye:
That's not I said and you know it.
Or are you trying to be clever...
[QUOTE=lum1naire;18554898]PAy It ForWARd
to bad she has to pay the 1 million back once shes out of jail gl with that[/QUOTE]
GL with learning how to read.
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18557383]I don't think you've fully grasped how the economy works. and what are you talking about "use it wisely" use it wisely to do what?? these people are rich BECAUSE they use their money wisely, they invest their money, bank it, save it they use their money to create profitable businesses which creates jobs.
You would have the government take this money away from them and give it to people for free? so instead of rich people employing people to work for them the government takes the money and shares it out to homeless people, worthless bums who have know idea what to do with money.[/QUOTE]
No. I would have the government force them to start a company, give it to philanthropy or use it to create jobs - or else they lose it and it gets taken and the government spends it on defense contracting or bank bailouts.
If I had my way, people would have a limit on individual capital up to about a half billion dollars. If it gets above that, it goes directly to the government; or if someone plans to use it for something they can put it into a 401k type account - only the surplus is allowed to be used for non-personal gain - such as starting a company or a charitable foundation. That way, we wouldn't have billionaires sitting on more money than they need, and they can still afford their fleets of Rolls Royce. Excess money would instead be simply put back into the economy, and the maximum inheritance allowed would be around 10% of net worth above a certain threshold. Assets aside from a few exceptions such as housing and personal belongings wouldn't be inherited, they'd be recollected along with the rest of the inheritance, and auctioned off. The same rules could apply to organizations as well. People would have to work rather than be allowed to sit on money, and poor people would benefit from more accessible jobs. Plus there would be plenty of money to live comfortably, and buy fancy sports-cars they don't need. Finally from all the new income the government would benefit from a reduced deficit, and anything surplus would be put back into society. You try to circumvent it, you lose your money.
In other words, surplus goes to the government to be reinvested back into the economy, lazy bums stay lazy, rich people can buy crap they don't need. Just not entire continents.
If only every country would adopt this though.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;18558507]No. I would have the government force them to start a company, give it to philanthropy or use it to create jobs - or else they lose it and it gets taken and the government spends it on defense contracting or bank bailouts.
If I had my way, people would have a limit on individual capital up to about a half billion dollars. If it gets above that, it goes directly to the government; or if someone plans to use it for something they can put it into a 401k type account - only the surplus is allowed to be used for non-personal gain - such as starting a company or a charitable foundation. That way, we wouldn't have billionaires sitting on more money than they need, and they can still afford their fleets of Rolls Royce. Excess money would instead be simply put back into the economy, and the maximum inheritance allowed would be around 10% of net worth above a certain threshold. Assets aside from a few exceptions such as housing and personal belongings wouldn't be inherited, they'd be recollected along with the rest of the inheritance, and auctioned off. The same rules could apply to organizations as well. People would have to work rather than be allowed to sit on money, and poor people would benefit from more accessible jobs. Plus there would be plenty of money to live comfortably, and buy fancy sports-cars they don't need. Finally from all the new income the government would benefit from a reduced deficit, and anything surplus would be put back into society. You try to circumvent it, you lose your money.
In other words, surplus goes to the government to be reinvested back into the economy, lazy bums stay lazy, rich people can buy crap they don't need. Just not entire continents.
If only every country would adopt this though.[/QUOTE]
That sounds all well and good, I'm with you on inheritnce. people shouldn't get rich just because their parents were rich, and if i was rich i wouldn't give my children everything in the world. And I don't think that everyone who is poor is poor just because they're a bum and do too many drugs, there are loads of reasons why someone could be poor, for example if they live in a country where noone is properly educated or if they have a disability, or if they just don't care for money and don't mind living with what they've got.
In my last post when i said rich people i was reffering to the people who work for their money, people who open business's and invest all their time and energy into making them work or people who have brilliant ideas and invent things which sell for millions or people who just understand how the market works and use money to make money, If I was rich I couldn't give a shit about anyone else and i don't want to have my money taken away by the government.
I see why she did it but i don't agree with her actions. Unless she's a closet commie.
[QUOTE=Strider_07;18555910]You're misrepresenting what I'm saying.
Not everyone who has overdraft fees is broke and homeless, many of them (especially in the US) are simply spending relentlessly with no foreseeable end. If the news specifically said she was stealing from a bunch of power hungry tycoons who run sweatshops of kindergartners to provide for the broke and homeless I'd be much more in favor of it. But wanton removal of money from accounts that have so it can be deposited to pay off wanton debt is a bad idea. The shotgun approach never works.[/QUOTE]
you are the one who said that people who use the overdraft are irresponsible, and then you intentionally misrepresented what i said in order to further your non-existent argument
see now you're referring to the story because you've apparently realized how mindnumbingly retarded what you said was. but our discussion is not over the story. our discussion is you demonizing people who have to use the overdraft to scrape by in life.
[editline]04:12AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18556022]
However, there's no reason why one job/ lifestyle has to be worse than the other. Ever thought that people in manual labor [I]like[/I] their job? Maybe they don't feel the need to have lot's of unnecessary things. And if they do dislike their life, they should change it, not complain and say that the world isn't fair.
[/QUOTE]
are you fucking kidding me?
i swear to fucking god facepunch has the stupidest members
[editline]04:13AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18556094]
If you work hard enough, if you're clever and ambitious you can make a lot of money. Enough to live a life of luxury. In this day and age noone should need to steal any money at all, Germany has a very good economy. The hobo's and beggars with no money are the people who don't work, who get addicted to alcahole and drugs. lazy worthless people. you can tell me that there are plenty of people who don't need money to be happy, good for them, as long as they don't go around complaining about it then it's not relevant.
[/QUOTE]
this doesn't bother me in the same way as the above. this is childish naivety, the by-product of living your life well-off and being told anything is possible.
it's not true though.
[editline]04:15AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=laval;18557597]quit banning Chippay[/QUOTE]
that's sweet laval, i always liked you on this forum
you should post more i hardly see you anymore
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18557227]yes because theft has always done wonders for the economy[/QUOTE]
I was implying that it shifted money around. people who wouldn't normally have moneyu to spend can now spend some money at businesses. Those businesses make money, and give some of it to their employees, rinse, repeat. Many rich people tend to hoard money in their banks accounts, despite the fact they don't really need it there.
As an analogy, think of it as somebody breaking a dam, so water pours into a desert. All that water was sitting in one place, while a much larger place laid parched of it. It's like economy x-lax, gets the bowels moving.
[QUOTE=Strider_07;18555198]Charity shouldn't be forced.[/QUOTE]
It's because of the flaws in our economic system that we have rich and poor.
I suppose you can't call them the flaws when they are the foundation that capitalism is build upon.
[QUOTE=stone555;18555074]I would be so pissed if it was my money that was transferred.[/QUOTE]
She could have done this on just the interest the rich people were generating alone, technically not costing the bank anything, or taking anything from anyone
[QUOTE]this doesn't bother me in the same way as the above. this is childish naivety, the by-product of living your life well-off and being told anything is possible.
it's not true though.[/QUOTE]
I've had my fair share of hard times, you don't know me at all so don't assume i've lived my life well off. And it may not be easy make a fortune i never said it was, I'm only saying that it isn't impossible if you work hard enough for it. There are people out there who have been brought up in poverty and grown up to make millions, If they can do it so can you, just because you don't do it doesn't mean you can't. and if you do mange it then you deserve every penny you make.
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18580111]I've had my fair share of hard times, you don't know me at all so don't assume i've lived my life well off. And it may not be easy make a fortune i never said it was, I'm only saying that it isn't impossible if you work hard enough for it. There are people out there who have been brought up in poverty and grown up to make millions, If they can do it so can you, just because you don't do it doesn't mean you can't. and if you do mange it then you deserve every penny you make.[/QUOTE]
YOU DON'T KNOW ME MAN, YOU DON'T KNOW ME
shut up
you are the sum of your experiences, and you are what we evaluate
it doesn't matter how much shit you endure if it doesn't change you any
(pennies to millionaire stories are bullshit)
[QUOTE=Strider_07;18555198]Charity shouldn't be forced.[/QUOTE]
are municipal sewers charity?
what about police?
[editline]11:00PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18555367]This woman is nothing but a small minded thief, I hope noone feels sorry for her, she's taken someones hard earnt money and given it to the kind of people who piss their life (and money) down the drain. people who never worked hard enough to achieve anything in life.
She deserved a longer sentence
also in the kind of stories i've heard about robin hood he stole money from people like the king and the church who only got their money from overtaxing the poor, and so in a way he was never really stealing.[/QUOTE]
someone doesn't know where that money came from.
[editline]11:01PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Strider_07;18555462]So you're automatically a horrible person for not donating every cent of your money to charity? You are aware that charities don't put 100% of your money into the cause, aren't you? In some cases it's more like 25%.[/QUOTE]
point:
whooooosh
over your head
[QUOTE=Chippay;18575111]
that's sweet laval, i always liked you on this forum
you should post more i hardly see you anymore[/QUOTE]
I'm around, I still get entangled in pointless Quebec arguments now and then :zoid:
[QUOTE=laval;18592565]I'm around, I still get entangled in pointless Quebec arguments now and then :zoid:[/QUOTE]
you should add me on steam if you use it you sound like a pretty good guy
send me a message if you want too - we will be internet best friends
[editline]03:57AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Insignificant;18580111]I've had my fair share of hard times, you don't know me at all so don't assume i've lived my life well off. And it may not be easy make a fortune i never said it was, I'm only saying that it isn't impossible if you work hard enough for it. There are people out there who have been brought up in poverty and grown up to make millions, If they can do it so can you, just because you don't do it doesn't mean you can't. and if you do mange it then you deserve every penny you make.[/QUOTE]
hey look at this quote:
[QUOTE=innerfire34;18580256]YOU DON'T KNOW ME MAN, YOU DON'T KNOW ME
[B]shut up[/B]
you are the sum of your experiences, and you are what we evaluate
it doesn't matter how much shit you endure if it doesn't change you any
(pennies to millionaire stories are bullshit)[/QUOTE]
(bolding is mine)
[QUOTE=Chippay;18593171]
(bolding is mine)[/QUOTE]
I just can't justify being blunt when I know they'll have to ask why anyway
dem deutschen volke
[editline]02:29AM[/editline]
Facepunch,
It's okay to steal because jealousy
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;18556022]
However, there's no reason why one job/ lifestyle has to be worse than the other. Ever thought that people in manual labor [I]like[/I] their job? Maybe they don't feel the need to have lot's of unnecessary things.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.treehugger.com/coal-miner-01.jpg[/img]
"Boy howdy I sure am glad I don't have any of those unnecessary things, like money!"
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;18600150][img]http://www.treehugger.com/coal-miner-01.jpg[/img]
"Boy howdy I sure am glad I don't have any of those unnecessary things, like money!"[/QUOTE]
shut up you lazy bastard and actually work a day in your life. The reason you don't have healthcare like me, sir. Mr huffington esq. the 3rd, is because you are lazy mr. coal miner lazy bones.
let me guess, you want to punish MY success so you could do drugs and be on welfare while I work my ass of?
ha
haha
ha
This banker isn't a hero, he is probably giving to poor people who are too lazy to work.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;18601390]This banker isn't a hero, he is probably giving to poor people who are too lazy to work.[/QUOTE]
i swear, it's like this is what libertarians tell themselves before they go to bed.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;18601390]This banker isn't a hero, he is probably giving to poor people who are too lazy to work.[/QUOTE]
It's a woman.
And poor people tend to do the most work in any society.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18601407]i swear, it's like this is what libertarians tell themselves before they go to bed.[/QUOTE]
and when the fact that it's all lies comes to them
it hurts them
[img]http://gynecologistcobra.net/images/vp_scaled_600.gif[/img]
This woman had good intentions, but the fact that it's illegal doesn't change. She was helping people that were having hard times. She was doing a good thing.
Also, how do you get the idea that poor people are lazy, and that's how they got poor? God forbid anyone have a tragedy or get robbed and lose it all. Or even be born into a poor family. Those lazy piles!
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18596176]dem deutschen volke
[editline]02:29AM[/editline]
Facepunch,
It's okay to steal because jealousy[/QUOTE]
ITT: It's okay to steal because jealousy
[QUOTE=Chippay;18575111]
are you fucking kidding me?
i swear to fucking god facepunch has the stupidest members[/QUOTE]
So what you are saying is that there are certain jobs that are just cosmically terrible and the people who have them are doomed to be miserable.
And I'm the bad guy.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;18558507]No. I would have the government force them to start a company, give it to philanthropy or use it to create jobs - or else they lose it and it gets taken and the government spends it on defense contracting or bank bailouts.
If I had my way, people would have a limit on individual capital up to about a half billion dollars. If it gets above that, it goes directly to the government; or if someone plans to use it for something they can put it into a 401k type account - only the surplus is allowed to be used for non-personal gain - such as starting a company or a charitable foundation. That way, we wouldn't have billionaires sitting on more money than they need, and they can still afford their fleets of Rolls Royce. Excess money would instead be simply put back into the economy, and the maximum inheritance allowed would be around 10% of net worth above a certain threshold. Assets aside from a few exceptions such as housing and personal belongings wouldn't be inherited, they'd be recollected along with the rest of the inheritance, and auctioned off. The same rules could apply to organizations as well. People would have to work rather than be allowed to sit on money, and poor people would benefit from more accessible jobs. Plus there would be plenty of money to live comfortably, and buy fancy sports-cars they don't need. Finally from all the new income the government would benefit from a reduced deficit, and anything surplus would be put back into society. You try to circumvent it, you lose your money.
In other words, surplus goes to the government to be reinvested back into the economy, lazy bums stay lazy, rich people can buy crap they don't need. Just not entire continents.
If only every country would adopt this though.[/QUOTE]
Sweet, even more people limiting personal achievement!
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