[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52976722]The second it gets signed and someone files an injunction (i'm willing to bet alphabet or apple or the ACLU or someone already has a case built, and are just waiting to file it in the courts). Or congress could invoke the "congressional review act" and put a stop to it[/QUOTE]
CRA only needs 50.1% vote, but within 60 days of NN being repealed, FYI
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52976789]That's a real kick in the teeth for people in those situations. There's countless other ways this can fuck over people too.[/QUOTE]
All my friends are on the internet
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52976837]Censorship such as the kind that google and apple do, by taking down apps on their app store? Or censorship such as google modifying their results to avoid showing things (such as TPB)? Or twitter banning accounts of various individuals who are white supremacists?
Like it or not, that's censorship.
Don't get me wrong, i'm against this decision, but the internet was already getting more and more censored, by the very people who claimed to be in support of NN.
If you wanted a truely uncensored internet, then you need a law that basically tells every company "[B]you must support all content, regardless of its offensive nature[/B])[/QUOTE]
That's what should happen
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976815]This was a vote to deregulate, as in government hands off. How is that government tyranny?[/QUOTE]
Its not tyranny if the Republicans do it
1mb/s is torture as it is, if this gets any worse I'm gonna have to fuckin go sort this shit out, ya get me
2015, but relevant.
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[QUOTE=Revenge282;52976824]Would government going hands off on regulating monopolies be justifiable tyranny?[/QUOTE]
It's not tyranny. I'm sorry none of you understand what that means, but the government staying out of something is not a basis for saying they are stepping on your rights. Rights are something the government cannot take away. You have contracts with the businesses, and if you don't like it, then you can choose to not renew it.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52976827]That means that your isp can control your intake on mlp porn. And the republican government is the one who went through with this re appealing.[/QUOTE]
Regulated by the government? [I]No thanks! [/I] I'd rather be regulated by a for-profit corporation that I have virtually no choice but to pay for!
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976815]This was a vote to deregulate, as in government hands off. How is that government tyranny?[/QUOTE]
Because some people feel that every buzzword synonym for 'bad' has to be trotted out to express how awful this decision is, and some people are inexplicably incapable of interpreting 'that word isn't applicable' as anything other than defending the decision.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52976851]2015, but relevant.
[IMG]https://puu.sh/yGs1q/df6ad4a18f.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You had a good run Netflix.
[QUOTE=Mud;52976845]Its not tyranny if the Republicans do it[/QUOTE]
Cool, not what I said. I'm not a Republican, either. Sorry to burst your preconception of me.
I just hope European countries don't go "USA has Thing? We need to have Thing!"
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52976851]2015, but relevant.
[IMG]https://puu.sh/yGs1q/df6ad4a18f.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
ok? What do you mean by this graph? We already pay the ISPs for access to this, this make it legal for them to double, triple, quadruple, etc dip.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52976869]Are you blind to the monopolisation that’s been in America since forever? There just aren’t any alternatives to a basic human right. Either you’re incredibly misinformed or you are trolling.[/QUOTE]
If Congress repealed all laws against monopolies tomorrow, I'd have a lot of negative things to say about that but I wouldn't call it government tyranny because that wouldn't make any fucking sense. These words have meanings, you can't just throw them at anything you dislike.
Monopolies are good this is a good move we should let monopolies happen
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52976867]ok? What do you mean by this graph? We already pay the ISPs for access to this, this make it legal for them to double, triple, quadruple, etc dip.[/QUOTE]
Netflix was being forced to pay ISPS in order for them to not throttle their streams. with net neutrality gone you can bet they'll be squeezing them for all they're worth.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52976867]ok? What do you mean by this graph? We already pay the ISPs for access to this, this make it legal for them to double, triple, quadruple, etc dip.[/QUOTE]
You pay ISP for internet access, Net Neutrality ensured they then couldn't charge you or the companies for better speeds. What we're likely to see is Netflix to get hit by ISPs for payment to ensure the streams are fast, so theres a possibility Netflix may become more expensive or they'll simply hit the consumer for fast access to Netflix.
[QUOTE=Mudkipslol;52976866]I just hope European countries don't go "USA has Thing? We need to have Thing!"[/QUOTE]
We won't. For starters, our average connection is far better for far less money. Additionally there's no area monopolies here either.
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976854]It's not tyranny. I'm sorry none of you understand what that means, but the government staying out of something is not a basis for saying they are stepping on your rights. Rights are something the government cannot take away. You have contracts with the businesses, and if you don't like it, then you can choose to not renew it.[/QUOTE]
it's very fitting that you have a MLP avatar
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I don't know, I should be moved by the public outrage, but it's just frustrating. Even among my friends, there are a lot of people who didn't want to talk about politics, who loved to spew that "both sides are equally bad" shit. And now that people are feeling the effects of the election, [I]suddenly[/I] everyone is outraged. [I]suddenly[/I] everyone cares.
If you only care when you're getting fucked, you're going to keep getting fucked for all of eternity. And you deserve it if you ignored the people who warned you.
Get mad. Stay mad. Don't treat your future rapist like a le ebin meme, and take things a little more seriously. Maybe then this fucking shit will stop happening.
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976854]It's not tyranny. I'm sorry none of you understand what that means, but the government staying out of something is not a basis for saying they are stepping on your rights. Rights are something the government cannot take away. You have contracts with the businesses, and if you don't like it, then you can choose to not renew it.[/QUOTE]
There is no alternative to comcast in my area, and I am not only one.
I have a choice between paying a shitton of money when my family is already poor, or having no internet Acess. Which is vital to my aaspirations for the future. It is a need, not a luxury.
The FCC is brave for dergulation this is totally not a move to entrench existing monopolies
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52976869]Are you blind to the monopolisation that’s been in America since forever? There just aren’t any alternatives to a basic human right. Either you’re incredibly misinformed or you are trolling.[/QUOTE]
I am not, but that is the ACTUAL problem here. Cities and counties signing contracts that give monopolies to providers to be the sole operator within that region.
The government needs to go back to busting monopolies like it did in the 70s and 80s, when it smashed up AT&T. Instead, they are being allowed to rebuild.
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976854]It's not tyranny. I'm sorry none of you understand what that means, but the government staying out of something is not a basis for saying they are stepping on your rights. Rights are something the government cannot take away. You have contracts with the businesses, and if you don't like it, then you can choose to not renew it.[/QUOTE]
This is selectively removing regulation that allows a monopoly to fuck over consumers harder, a monopoly which libertarians argue only exists because of other regulation, which no "pro free market" Republican has made the least bit of effort to do anything about. Basically (going by the libertarian idea that the monopolies are created by regulation) we're keeping the regulation that fucks the free market and creates monopolies and getting rid of the regulation that limits the power of monopolies created by the first regulation.
If you can't understand the problem with that then you're a corporatist, not a libertarian.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52976889]You won’t have an option to say a lot of negative things if you don’t share how important NN is so I think you’ve got bigger fish to fry before worrying about how I feel about this shit show.[/QUOTE]
I think net neutrality is an important issue.
I think this repeal was an awful, [B]awful[/B] decision.
I don't think it was an act of government tyranny because the definition does not fit and you can't just throw buzzwords at everything you dislike.
This really isn't complicated.
Remember, even if net neutrality dies here it has to go through courts, if that wont work then it goes through congress, if that wont work then it has to go through a future democrat president. This isnt the end and the decision can always be reversed.
Also ISPs wont roll out bullshit right away, most of their consumer base is in large cities where they don't have full monopolies. They need to keep them happy to keep making money.
Even if NN dies, that wont last but a few years, and that is not enough time for them to fuck us as hard as the want to.
Do not panic, get angry and keep screaming.
Censorship is tyranny.
Also, on a lighter note: News channels reporting on this in the south are classic
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[QUOTE=Ridge;52976897]I am not, but that is the ACTUAL problem here. Cities and counties signing contracts that give monopolies to providers to be the sole operator within that region.
The government needs to go back to busting monopolies like it did in the 70s and 80s, when it smashed up AT&T. Instead, they are being allowed to rebuild.[/QUOTE]
I have to admit this isn't a position I expected from you. This is the kind of thing politicians like Bernie Sanders want to do. The Republicans are essentially a corporatist party right now and something like splitting up monopolies is considered left wing even by Democrat standards nowadays. This new wave of democrats is are only hope of getting something like that to happen.
How likely will ISPs crack down on VPNs? If so, is there some sort of technological reinvention brewing that fundamentally prevents greedy suits from ruining everything, much like crypto has been trying to do with money?
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