[QUOTE=Firetornado;52976902]Censorship is tyranny.[/QUOTE]
Corporate censorship is government tyranny? That's a new one.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52976867]ok? What do you mean by this graph? We already pay the ISPs for access to this, this make it legal for them to double, triple, quadruple, etc dip.[/QUOTE]
ISPs don’t recognize that “other” category as something they can control their profits with. It’s also 99.99% of the Internet. That is what this is all about.
As a business, it makes sense to focus on these massive bandwidth services that are clearly the most used. That quarter of bandwidth going elsewhere is going to be divided into however many data packages that an ISP can make, meaning that all of your games, forums, porn, job applications, college exams, medical care, news, knowledge, and communication are going to be decimated into scores of unrelated packages and otherwise throttled back to speed that will only impede your use of their services.
Imagine Papa John’s pays a fuckton of dosh to fastlane their website through Comcast, so that anyone with the basic service package gets immediate and swift access to the site. What about your favorite local place, though? Can they afford a fast-lane? Probably not. How many people are going to wait a full minute for each page to load when they can just go to Papa John’s instead? This is what is going to happen to literally every business in America. The nation is going to crash and burn from this because of just how much the Internet affects every aspect of our commerce.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52976724]I hope I can still pursue a career as a game dev.[/QUOTE]
I know this is from last page, but why would this impact that at all??
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976897]I am not, but that is the ACTUAL problem here. Cities and counties signing contracts that give monopolies to providers to be the sole operator within that region.
The government needs to go back to busting monopolies like it did in the 70s and 80s, when it smashed up AT&T. Instead, they are being allowed to rebuild.[/QUOTE]
no, that is [I]an[/I] issue
just because that is [I]an[/I] issue(one which republicans are curiously doing nothing to resolve) that doesn't mean net neutrality being struck down by republican backed corporate sock puppets isn't an actual issue
I swear to god the dick will have to come out of your mouth before you admit you're being fucked
[QUOTE=catbarf;52976877]If Congress repealed all laws against monopolies tomorrow, I'd have a lot of negative things to say about that but I wouldn't call it government tyranny because that wouldn't make any fucking sense. These words have meanings, you can't just throw them at anything you dislike.[/QUOTE]
The only difference is that this is a case of the government removing positive rights instead of removing negative rights which is what is generally referred to as tyranny. It's just semantics, there's no significant difference.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52976843]That's what should happen[/QUOTE]
This is a practical impossibility, you have to find some way to figure out how things are promoted.
It also absolves companies of any responsibility, e.g. the facebook shit with "fake news." That isn't really desirable either.
[QUOTE=Socram;52976915]I know this is from last page, but why would this impact that at all??[/QUOTE]
Starting a buisness online or marketing a product is gonna suck. I wanna make my own little projects not be part of a gianf studio.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52976916]I’m not throwing buzzwords because I dislike it. I’m literally describing everything right to the T and you’d rather take on patriotism(supporting an open internet in this case) than the real problem here?
Do I need to spell it out for you?[/QUOTE]
I mean obviously the semantics are just a shallow attempt at deflection by ridge, but he and catbarf are technically right in that this isn't tyrannical
corrupt is a better word
Anyone who says you can live without the internet is a fucking liar. My parents can't even function a day without their Facebook. It's so ingrained into our lives that it should be a right, not a privilege. You can't even do your taxes anymore without it.
[QUOTE=catbarf;52976913]Corporate censorship is government tyranny? That's a new one.[/QUOTE]
Censoring and controlling information in the interconnected modern world [i]is authoritarian and tyrannical[/i]. There are no if ands or buts.
If I never see this forum again, thank you for all the laughs and memories this place has given me.
Expect that when the companies start throttling, facepunch and other sites you love will get throttled or even blocked.
Enjoy living in a nation that is becoming an oligarchy!
[QUOTE=catbarf;52976913]Corporate censorship is government tyranny? That's a new one.[/QUOTE]
You mean the politicians dont have a stake in limiting a form of communication that makes it easy to expose them? Especially Republicans? Get real.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52976934]I mean obviously the semantics are just a shallow attempt at deflection by ridge, but he and catbarf are technically right in that this isn't tyrannical
corrupt is a better word[/QUOTE]
I will in a heartbeat agree this is corruption and cronyism.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52976940]We can change our words but it sure doesn’t make it better.[/QUOTE]
ajit pai by any other name is just as punchable
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976956]I will in a heartbeat agree this is corruption and cronyism.[/QUOTE]
Then why fucking argue semantics?!
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52976851]2015, but relevant.
[IMG]https://puu.sh/yGs1q/df6ad4a18f.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter if Netflix uses up 50% of the bandwidth or if 50% small websites use up 1%. Netflix payed for their infrastructure with servers to provide better speeds. Internet providers shouldn't get to double dip because of that.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;52976941]Censoring and controlling information in the interconnected modern world [i]is authoritarian and tyrannical[/i]. There are no if ands or buts.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is arguing that controlling the flow of information isn't tyrannical.
But to say that it's [i]government[/i] tyranny is incorrect - it isn't the government that is controlling the flow of information. It is [i]corporate[/i] tyranny, because it is the corporations who now have the ability and motivation to control information.
You [b]can[/b], however, say it is government-[i]facilitated[/i] corporate tyranny, because the government is giving the corporations the ability to control information. You can also say that it is corruption / cronyism, with particular members of the government benefiting from the move.
It's a bit of a semantic argument, but it's an important one. It isn't government tyranny - but it's only one step removed.
If only Pai's mug was a bomb instead.
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[QUOTE=Firetornado;52976932]Starting a buisness online or marketing a product is gonna suck. I wanna make my own little projects not be part of a gianf studio.[/QUOTE]
No time like the present my dude, I also think, while this does suck balls, your concerns about it blocking your ability to make games are a little premature. If you want to be a game dev, just make games, net neutrality being here or not can't stop you from pursuing it.
[QUOTE=Ridge;52976956]I will in a heartbeat agree this is corruption and cronyism.[/QUOTE]
You have to understand that with your posting history, when you come in and say something like "Actually this isn't tyranny" and then do nothing to condemn this decision, people are going to make certain assumptions. Just think you should know that. It's a good thing that you do think that this is a problem though.
[QUOTE=dark soul;52976962]It doesn't matter if Netflix uses up 50% of the bandwidth or if 50% small websites use up 1%. Netflix payed for their infrastructure with servers to provide better speeds. Internet providers shouldn't get to double dip because of that.[/QUOTE]
Well thanks to not having Net Neutrality, they can.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52976961]Then why fucking argue semantics?![/QUOTE]
Because corruption and tyranny are not semantics, they are two different words with different meanings.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52976978]You have to understand that with your posting history, when you come in and say something like "Actually this isn't tyranny" and then do nothing to condemn this decision, people are going to make certain assumptions. Just think you should know that. It's a good thing that you do think that this is a problem though.[/QUOTE]
Really? What in my post history suggests that I'm in favor of an authoritarian government that has oversight over all our lives? Or the exact opposite, that I'm an anarchist who'd rather be beholden to corporate interests?
Yo, can we tone it down with the deathwishes?? Keep it civil, folks. Despite how frustrating shit is right now.
[QUOTE=Mud;52976878]Monopolies are good this is a good move we should let monopolies happen[/QUOTE]
Every table in every household would be flipped because some asshole bought Mayfair and Park Place and has 3 hotels on it and everyone keeps landing on them.
I guess an example of how ISPs will fuck us over. We gotta have some form of internet, with only a couple choices, and we will have to pay outrageous prices to use it.
I sure do hope this gets denied and shit pie can crawl back into whatever pig pin he emerged from.
the fact that this is event remotely a partisan issue is disgusting, honestly
all the stormweenies celebrating this dont realize their sites will be the first to go
This is exactly why I gave up years ago. Do you seriously think they give a shit about what we say? They only speak the language of money. The millions of comments, the website blackouts, the constant battle people have fought, all for nothing. None of it did anything.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52976992]the fact that this is event remotely a partisan issue is disgusting, honestly[/QUOTE]
But it isn't, though. 3/4 Republicans are against the NN repeal.
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