Nanny Law Alert: New Anti-Cyberbullying Bill hits Michigan's Senate floors - Polidicks

[QUOTE=tek022;42468190]Please elaborate.[/QUOTE] It could worsen because now they know it got enough of a reaction from you to warrant it. They'll find another vector and do it again because they've proven it works.

Schools are shit at everything that isn't teaching, he'll my schools were pretty shit at teaching. The last thing we need is to let the school handle the personal life at kids, it's not like letting adults into the intimacies of young kids lives ever works well. We already overpay the execs in a lot of Canadian school boards and underpay the teachers. In NS we spent $1m on shitty ass PowerSchool. The last thing the schools need is to be taking funding from education and putting it into "cyberbully detectives". We'd pretty much be paying people to look at young children's Facebook accounts. That going to attract a lot of legit people. Something needs to be done about bullying but this is a shit idea.

I don't see how this is required. If someone is seriously harming another verbally it shouldn't really matter whether it's on the internet, in person on even left on a sticky note on the monitor. If it's about the usual internet flaming, there should rather be education not to care about it. Seriously though, some basic education on how you shouldn't care about people on the Internet you don't know might be a good idea, this education being on Social Studies or the other useless shit you go through in middle school.

A lot of people who are for this fail to realize that most often Cyberbulling [b]happens outside school and not during school hours[/b]. Kids shouldn't be punished by a school district for doing something outside school.

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Oh my god, as you all know I live in Michigan. I am very opinionated on Facebook, I piss a lot of people off and admittedly I can be a huge asshole. But there's a group, called 'Jake Muzzo cyber bullied me once' I wonder what will happen to me if this is passed [editline]9th October 2013[/editline] I literally go to parties and at least 3 people ask me 'are you that kid that talks shit on Facebook?'.

Not trying to imply that I don't care....but...isn't this why the block button and report for harassment buttons are things?

[QUOTE=tek022;42468190]Please elaborate.[/QUOTE] They get mad that you blocked them, so they'll create a bunch of new accounts to keep bullying you. [QUOTE=Fangz;42468647]A lot of people who are for this fail to realize that most often Cyberbulling [b]happens outside school and not during school hours[/b]. Kids shouldn't be punished by a school district for doing something outside school.[/QUOTE] What happens out of school tends to bleed into school.

No guys I'm serious on two different occasions I made photoshopped images of these girls and posted them on facebook. There was good reasoning behind it, before you all shit your pants about it. None of this was randomly done. This first picture, is about this bitch who stole my hate at a party. I got drunk and passed out, few weeks later she's posting pictures of herself wearing it on facebook so I'm all "hey I dunno how you got my hat but I'd really appreciate it if you returned it to be, it has sentimental value" she comes back with "fuck you I didn't steal anything you wanna call me a thief bitch I could've bought this hat anywhere why don't you mind yo own damn business" then we got into an argument over PM's and that's how this picture came about. All I wanted was my fucking $35 hat back but she had to be a bitch about it. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/fuckyoudraft1.png[/t] This next picture was about a girl who shared this retarded propaganda about molly being "meth crack heroin and bathsalts in one pill". She's studying to be a nurse so she, out of most people, should know that a combination of uppers, downers, and all arounders would just kill poeple. I intelligently, and calmly expalained why the picture was a complete lie, and posted links to websites like erowid with papers written by pHDs on mdma. Of course she comes back with "omg I'm not going to read about your stupid druggie bullshit I dont have time to just because I'm insulting YOUR favorite drugs doesnt mean you have to get all pissy at me" and proceeded to publicly shame the fuck out of me by calling me a drug addict and such. So I made this picture showing the logical fallacy in a pretty mean way. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/17762_592407170789093_1411511180_n.jpg[/t] here's a link to the cyber bully page about me if any of you are interested. [url]https://www.facebook.com/jakemuzzosupportgroup[/url]

[QUOTE=Fangz;42468647]A lot of people who are for this fail to realize that most often Cyberbulling [b]happens outside school and not during school hours[/b]. Kids shouldn't be punished by a school district for doing something outside school.[/QUOTE] if it creates an environment of hostility during school then it is an issue that the school needs to be involved in to some degree.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42469044]No guys I'm serious on two different occasions I made photoshopped images of these girls and posted them on facebook. There was good reasoning behind it, before you all shit your pants about it. None of this was randomly done. This first picture, is about this bitch who stole my hate at a party. I got drunk and passed out, few weeks later she's posting pictures of herself wearing it on facebook so I'm all "hey I dunno how you got my hat but I'd really appreciate it if you returned it to be, it has sentimental value" she comes back with "fuck you I didn't steal anything you wanna call me a thief bitch I could've bought this hat anywhere why don't you mind yo own damn business" then we got into an argument over PM's and that's how this picture came about. All I wanted was my fucking $35 hat back but she had to be a bitch about it. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/fuckyoudraft1.png[/t] This next picture was about a girl who shared this retarded propaganda about molly being "meth crack heroin and bathsalts in one pill". She's studying to be a nurse so she, out of most people, should know that a combination of uppers, downers, and all arounders would just kill poeple. I intelligently, and calmly expalained why the picture was a complete lie, and posted links to websites like erowid with papers written by pHDs on mdma. Of course she comes back with "omg I'm not going to read about your stupid druggie bullshit I dont have time to just because I'm insulting YOUR favorite drugs doesnt mean you have to get all pissy at me" and proceeded to publicly shame the fuck out of me by calling me a drug addict and such. So I made this picture showing the logical fallacy in a pretty mean way. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/17762_592407170789093_1411511180_n.jpg[/t] here's a link to the cyber bully page about me if any of you are interested. [url]https://www.facebook.com/jakemuzzosupportgroup[/url][/QUOTE] That's pretty neat and all but are you sure this is relevant at all? [sp]Also did you get your hat back[/sp] Edit: Looking at that facebook profile, I'm pretty sure they're the ones creating a social stigma around you. I'd say it's bullying, look into it.

Yes I said I'd take the picture down when my hat was delivered, they drove 15 miles out of town to my house and put it on my doorstep. It's relevant because I could be affected by this law, I just posted two examples of cyber bullying done by me + I have a facebook group all about it.

As much as bullying is a problem (I was bullied in middleschool by a couple of jackasses who thought they were cool for playing GTA in 6th Grade). But why do we treat bullying as a whole as if it's a new issue? Because it's not a new issue. People act as if Bullying is a new phenomenon and it pisses me off.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;42468937] What happens out of school tends to bleed into school.[/QUOTE] Then it becomes bullying on school grounds, and isn't Cyberbulling anymore.

[QUOTE=Fangz;42469295]Then it becomes bullying on school grounds, and isn't Cyberbulling anymore.[/QUOTE] So you're okay with bullying, as long as it doesn't happen on school grounds?

Parents should spy over what their child is doing 24/7 instead of them helping convince child to mention when something goes wrong, I agree, all!

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;42469317]So you're okay with bullying, as long as it doesn't happen on school grounds?[/QUOTE] Because that is totally what he said. He's saying if it bleeds into school, its no longer cyberbullying, its bullying, because now you're in school and there is no cyber-interface between predator and prey.

[QUOTE=bdd458;42469265]As much as bullying is a problem (I was bullied in middleschool by a couple of jackasses who thought they were cool for playing GTA in 6th Grade). But why do we treat bullying as a whole as if it's a new issue? Because it's not a new issue. People act as if Bullying is a new phenomenon and it pisses me off.[/QUOTE] There's been a huge push for stronger anti-bullying rules because previous anti-bully rules were either completely ineffective or non-existent. Ask anyone that was bullied before the current push for stronger anti-bully rules kicked in, and you'd hear that the worst punishment that bullies usually got was a slightly-stern talking to by a guidance counselor or resource officer. Even outright violence was met with detention or in-day suspension at worse. Not only did it enable bullies, it also make victims of bullies view authority as indifferent or implicitly supportive of bullies, which itself opens up a large can of worms.

If this law passes I'm gonna goto jail, I'm scared I've never been to jail before

I don't care what my school puts in their handbook, it's none of their business if someone decides to bully me over the internet. If I'm not at school, I'm not theirs. That's how I look at it.

[QUOTE=bdd458;42469265]As much as bullying is a problem (I was bullied in middleschool by a couple of jackasses who thought they were cool for playing GTA in 6th Grade). But why do we treat bullying as a whole as if it's a new issue? Because it's not a new issue. People act as if Bullying is a new phenomenon and it pisses me off.[/QUOTE] It's likely to do with the huge number of suicides that have been reported on recently due to, you guessed it! Bullying! And it's a perfectly fine thing for people to focus on as it really does need tackling.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42470977]It's likely to do with the huge number of suicides that have been reported on recently due to, you guessed it! Bullying! And it's a perfectly fine thing for people to focus on as it really does need tackling.[/QUOTE] Where were they when the other kids used to beat me up for wearing the wrong clothes and having a name they didn't like? Nobody did shit when i'd get insulted by kids who were jealous of my grades. Fix this first before you try to fix what happens outside of school on the internet. If you're going to let the words of kids who don't know what they're doing get to you to the point that you'll kill yourself, be glad you don't have to get into fights on a daily basis. It's sad that any kind of bullying happens, but you can't outlaw words on a computer screen. You're going to need to grow tough skin at some point in your life, it helps you grow up and make friends by a lot. Unless you're born with it, i find it good news that humility is now taught with words rather than punches and kicks. I wish everyone was born with it so that bullying would not happen at all either way, but i find the new definition of bullying too large and i don't like the fact that it now encompasses any kind of antagonistic behaviour towards a person.

Terrible article, doesn't explain anything at all Does this only cover the use of school computers to bully people or what

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42470120]If this law passes I'm gonna goto jail, I'm scared I've never been to jail before[/QUOTE] try not to drop the soap, it's really embarrassing and the other inmates will surely laugh at you

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42471890]try not to drop the soap, it's really embarrassing and the other inmates will surely laugh at you[/QUOTE] Hold on I've got an artolicle about the time my friend dropped soap in prision. He blushed and everything!

[QUOTE=Swilly;42467358]Seriously, what is with you people being against really simple shit aimed to stop harassment online. You all have your life [I]revolving[/I] around the internet, what if someone basically became determined to harass you [B]AT EVERY PLACE[/B] you hung out at?[/QUOTE] I'm already harassed at every place I hang out on the internet. I spend all of my time on 4chan.

[QUOTE=davidrb18;42471522]Where were they when the other kids used to beat me up for wearing the wrong clothes and having a name they didn't like? Nobody did shit when i'd get insulted by kids who were jealous of my grades. Fix this first before you try to fix what happens outside of school on the internet. If you're going to let the words of kids who don't know what they're doing get to you to the point that you'll kill yourself, be glad you don't have to get into fights on a daily basis. It's sad that any kind of bullying happens, but you can't outlaw words on a computer screen. You're going to need to grow tough skin at some point in your life, it helps you grow up and make friends by a lot. Unless you're born with it, i find it good news that humility is now taught with words rather than punches and kicks. I wish everyone was born with it so that bullying would not happen at all either way, but i find the new definition of bullying too large and i don't like the fact that it now encompasses any kind of antagonistic behaviour towards a person.[/QUOTE] The media doesn't really seem to give a shit about physical and in person bullying, it's really hard to demonise an entire thing unlike with cyber-bullying where you can call the Internet "dangerous for our kids!!!!". It sucks, yeah, but it does bring to light physical bullying as people explore it more. Whether or not they actually implement and use the damn systems they want to put in place to fix it is a different issue. Schools still don't take this shit seriously for some reason. "Growing a tough skin" is nowhere near the solution to cyber-bullying. As with any form of bullying, it's going to impact your mental state a ton, you are likely to take whatever is said to you more to heart when it's repeated constantly day after day, week after week. And thanks to how easy it is to spread shit on the internet, it's not hard to ruin your reputation through Facebook and shit at all. The definition of bullying hasn't changed much, it's still bullying if the antagonistic behaviour is constant and consistent, calling someone a faggot over XBox Live is not considered bullying, calling them a faggot every day over Facebook would be. Purposefully going out of your way to insult a specific person is bullying, calling them names in a one off has never been considered bullying by anyone but idiots looking to start shit.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42471834]Terrible article, doesn't explain anything at all Does this only cover the use of school computers to bully people or what[/QUOTE] That's just it, the bill doesn't specify. It just says schools must come up with their own standards. I can see that going one of two ways: They change one line in their handbook and call it a day, or come up with invasive and impractical rules which will work about as well as zero tolerance policies. I agree that cyber bullying is an issue that needs to be tackled, but I'm not sure this is the best way to go about tackling it.

What if I got an anonymous proxy and made children feel so bad that they'd yell at me back, then reported the children for hurting my feelings?

Some people have been driven to commit suicide over internet bullying. Yeah, to us it's as simple as blocking someone, but we aren't everyone on the internet. This isn't intrusive or unlawful, just a small step to fight a growing issue. A much more simple solution than blocking someone for harassing you is [B]don't be a little shit and harass people to begin with.[/B]