Nanny Law Alert: New Anti-Cyberbullying Bill hits Michigan's Senate floors - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swilly;42467358]Seriously, what is with you people being against really simple shit aimed to stop harassment online. You all have your life [I]revolving[/I] around the internet, what if someone basically became determined to harass you [B]AT EVERY PLACE[/B] you hung out at?[/QUOTE] I love you guys, you're all like this. This guy is a left-eye tweaking ass mother fucker. Do you think this guy sincerely cherishes children and wants to best thing for schools and the poor victims of cyber-bullying? Nothing people do these days, especially politicians, are for the fucking benefits and well-being of you. They want more and they want every aspect. I mean seriously this isn't' even conspiracy shit, why is anyone working? For money. Everything people do at the end of the day is for cash and they give no shits. [editline]wat[/editline] it'll get passed too. also this won't do shit to stop any cyber-bullying, what a fucking joke. a law to require anti-bullying polices lmfaooo the internet is an excuse for everything these days.

[QUOTE=SoaringFallus;42473444]I love you guys, you're all like this. This guy is a left-eye tweaking ass mother fucker. Do you think this guy sincerely cherishes children and wants to best thing for schools and the poor victims of cyber-bullying? Nothing people do these days, especially politicians, are for the fucking benefits and well-being of you. They want more and they want every aspect. I mean seriously this isn't' even conspiracy shit, why is anyone working? For money. Everything people do at the end of the day is for cash and they give no shits. [editline]wat[/editline] it'll get passed too. also this won't do shit to stop any cyber-bullying, what a fucking joke. a law to require anti-bullying polices lmfaooo the internet is an excuse for everything these days.[/QUOTE] It should be noted in the republican state of Michigan, approval rates are dropping like a lead zeppelin. This is a feel good law to try and boost ratings.

saying 'ok guys no cyberbullying or else we'll suspend you' is all fine and good until you realize that schools are terrible at handling situations between students before you can even begin to really tackle the problem, you need to actually understand why people do these things. where I live, it's generally over conflicts. that is, two people or groups of people (or one person vs a group of people, etc) get into some kind of shitfit with one another. something causes a conflict, and that conflict leads to bitter feelings between the two parties. animosity drives one party to harass another, or both simultaneously. they spread rumors and lies, write shitty messages and all that, because x party doesn't like y party or vice versa (a lot of the time they might want to get 'revenge' for the inciting event or some other event) and groups end up getting involved because they obviously take the sides of their friends. there are also cases (typically among younger children) in which people will pick on others for being different. this is a cultural problem more than anything - our culture hasn't exactly been at all tolerant of the LGBT community, overweight people, or people with below-average looks until recently. but the important thing to understand about this kind of case is that it's usually passive (exclusion, etc) rather than active aggression. active aggression is caused by conflicts, or otherwise individuals with certain social skills problems. a typical trope in literature is the kind of person that bullies people, but only because they were bullied in the past. when it comes to groups, whomever isn't swept up in mob mentality is usually dragged along by peer pressure or a fear of being harassed themselves. all-in-all, the better solutions to these problems long-term are the instillation of tolerance, independent thought, empathetic thought, and non-aggressive conflict resolution within youth. furthermore, children who are bullied need to have resources which they can be encouraged to come forward to talk about their feelings and receive support, rather than simply coming forward to report the people who bother them. giving an asshole 10 days ISS isn't going to solve the psychological issues that the victim has to deal with, and the asshole might need just as much counseling as the victim. [editline]10th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SoaringFallus;42473444]I love you guys, you're all like this. This guy is a left-eye tweaking ass mother fucker. Do you think this guy sincerely cherishes children and wants to best thing for schools and the poor victims of cyber-bullying? Nothing people do these days, especially politicians, are for the fucking benefits and well-being of you. They want more and they want every aspect. I mean seriously this isn't' even conspiracy shit, why is anyone working? For money. Everything people do at the end of the day is for cash and they give no shits. [editline]wat[/editline] it'll get passed too. also this won't do shit to stop any cyber-bullying, what a fucking joke. a law to require anti-bullying polices lmfaooo the internet is an excuse for everything these days.[/QUOTE] i don't even know why you're going off on this tangent, however, money as a social construct is much more complex than you're making it out to be. people want money because it brings them security. people want money because it fulfills their needs. people want money because it provides them with goods and services that have social, practical, or sentimental value. money was developed as a way to replace the barter system so that the trade of goods would be easier to manage. even greed at the highest echelons of human society has a variety of scientific explanations that put things into perspective much more effectively and understandably than simple angsty cynicism.

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;42472238]That's just it, the bill doesn't specify. It just says schools must come up with their own standards. I can see that going one of two ways: They change one line in their handbook and call it a day, or come up with invasive and impractical rules which will work about as well as zero tolerance policies. I agree that cyber bullying is an issue that needs to be tackled, but I'm not sure this is the best way to go about tackling it.[/QUOTE] Schools need strict, specific legislation regarding bullying happening on school property or with school computers, but beyond that it should be the parents handling it (or the legal system when neither the schools or the parents want to do anything)

[QUOTE=Swilly;42467761]you have every right to bitch.[/quote] You have every right to bitch anyway. It's asinine to put bullshit requirements like "Did you try contacting them first?" on it. IT's common knowledge that contacting them will go nowhere as they don't give a shit and don't see it anyway. [editline]10th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;42468022]So you'd rather have an apathetic public that does nothing to stop corruption? [/QUOTE] And what, pray tell, is the public supposed to do to stop the corruption again? Are you forgetting that officials don't care about what anyone without at least a six figure salary who's willing to share quite a bit of that salary with them has to say these days? There's a good reason the public is so apathetic about doing anything about corruption. There's nothing the public can do. The public can't afford to lobby them for change, they won't listen to petitions/emails/letters/calls/whatever(and most likely don't even know they come in), and they can't be voted out because the only people on the ballot are equally corrupt. Armed rebellion is out of the question as well, seeing as a bunch of pissed off civilians with bolt-action rifles and 12 gauge shotguns is absolutely no match for the National Guard, much less the proper army. An armed rebellion would be crushed before it even started. The public doesn't have any options left except to shrug and bear it, because every avenue of change we do have is completely ineffectual. [editline]10th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42468271]It could worsen because now they know it got enough of a reaction from you to warrant it. They'll find another vector and do it again because they've proven it works.[/QUOTE] And then they run out of vectors, give up, and find another target.[QUOTE=Ziron;42470062]There's been a huge push for stronger anti-bullying rules because previous anti-bully rules were either completely ineffective or non-existent. Ask anyone that was bullied before the current push for stronger anti-bully rules kicked in, and you'd hear that the worst punishment that bullies usually got was a slightly-stern talking to by a guidance counselor or resource officer. Even outright violence was met with detention or in-day suspension at worse. Not only did it enable bullies, it also make victims of bullies view authority as indifferent or implicitly supportive of bullies, which itself opens up a large can of worms.[/QUOTE] Perhaps punishing schools that do nothing but slap bullies on the wrist would be more effective? Say, if someone's being bullied and the school does fuck all, they report it to the Department of Education, which then starts pulling funding from the school until the bullying ceases?

[QUOTE=Protocol7;42467393]What is the government supposed to do about bullying It's a parents responsibility to raise their child to not be a little shit in school Anti-bullying measures are reactionary only, telling schools to report incidences of cyberbullying does not solve the problem, and "oh it doesn't hurt anything" is a shitty excuse for massive overhead. I'm sure the DoE needs to worry about cyberbullying statistics and not funding schools and important shit like that.[/QUOTE] What is the government supposed to do about murder/rape/arson/any other destructive act It's a parent's responsibility to raise their child not to be a violent criminal Anti-criminal measures are reactionary only, telling districts to report incidences of violent crime does not solve the problem, and "oh it doesn't hurt anything" is a shitty excuse for massive overhead. I'm sure the DoJ needs to worry about violent crime statistics and not funding courts and important shit like that. (your argument is bad)

[QUOTE=catbarf;42475549]What is the government supposed to do about murder/rape/arson/any other destructive act [/QUOTE] I don't think it is fair to put cyber bullies on the same level as murderers.

[QUOTE=Fangz;42475932]I don't think it is fair to put cyber bullies on the same level as murderers.[/QUOTE] It's reductio ad absurdum. If you take the stance that it's a parent's responsibility to prevent their child from harming others, and that the state has no right to intervene and assign punishment after the fact, and that taking statistics is worthless- why stop at just bullying? Obviously it's a ridiculous suggestion when applied to any more serious crime, but that only highlights that the underlying principle is flawed. In our society, we have absolutely no problem with punishing people retroactively (even if it's 'reactionary'), using the state to step in when parenting has clearly failed, and nobody complains that gathering statistics for further research is a waste of money.

[QUOTE=Fangz;42467264]Link to the [url=http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billanalysis/Senate/pdf/2013-SFA-0074-S.pdf]Bill[/url]. The bill is so vague it isn't funny.[/QUOTE] That's not the bill, [url=http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billintroduced/Senate/pdf/2013-SIB-0074.pdf]this is the bill[/url]

Consequences will never be the same.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42468720]Oh my god, as you all know I live in Michigan. I am very opinionated on Facebook, I piss a lot of people off and admittedly I can be a huge asshole. But there's a group, called 'Jake Muzzo cyber bullied me once' I wonder what will happen to me if this is passed I literally go to parties and at least 3 people ask me 'are you that kid that talks shit on Facebook?'.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=breakyourfac;42469044]No guys I'm serious on two different occasions I made photoshopped images of these girls and posted them on facebook. There was good reasoning behind it, before you all shit your pants about it. None of this was randomly done. here's a link to the cyber bully page about me if any of you are interested. [url]https://www.facebook.com/jakemuzzosupportgroup[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=breakyourfac;42470120]If this law passes I'm gonna goto jail, I'm scared I've never been to jail before[/QUOTE] you really are just obsessed with talking about yourself aren't you? "No guys I'm serious" as if people quoted you and said "Whoa no way! Tell me more!", then act as if its meant to be super surprising and unique, what the fuck? I mean I really don't want to be mean or give a smart ass "lol no one gives a shit!!!", but after seeing it after so long, please, stop it, it's getting very very old.

In Ireland schools already do this,I thought it was the same in America to.

[QUOTE=smurfy;42476263]That's not the bill, [url=http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billintroduced/Senate/pdf/2013-SIB-0074.pdf]this is the bill[/url][/QUOTE] Updated the OP. Also reading that is making me uneasy since how they defined bullying, and how easily this could be twisted.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42476445]you really are just obsessed with talking about yourself aren't you? "No guys I'm serious" as if people quoted you and said "Whoa no way! Tell me more!", then act as if its meant to be super surprising and unique, what the fuck? I mean I really don't want to be mean or give a smart ass "lol no one gives a shit!!!", but after seeing it after so long, please, stop it, it's getting very very old.[/QUOTE] Why are you chastizing me for posting about how a new law, in the state I live in, could affect my life.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42476673]Why are you chastizing me for posting about how a new law, in the state I live in, could affect my life.[/QUOTE] because you do it a lot and because you're telling this huge story about nothing like I know thats bad but, come on dude :v: you aren't the only one it'll effect there

[QUOTE=Swilly;42467639]I meant just in general, you bare similar arguments of people who don't actually get involved in their government and then get all pissed when it does something you don't agree with.[/QUOTE] I write my congressman all the time. But every god damn time, it's something he wants so badly, and pretty much puts up a long worded message saying " lol fuk you, i like this bill "

[QUOTE=duckmaster;42478155]I write my congressman all the time. But every god damn time, it's something he wants so badly, and pretty much puts up a long worded message saying " lol fuk you, i like this bill "[/QUOTE] I find writing to your local representative is a lot better.