Prehistoric cave prints reveal most early artists were Women. - Polidicks

It makes sense that men and women would worship the place they were born from as some kind of miracle.

[QUOTE=Swilly;42544006]And then somewhere, someone decided, "I don't feel like hunting anymore" and he or she started planting seeds and then we had agriculture.[/QUOTE] Did that happen before or after someone else (or was it the same guy/girl?) said "fuck this shit dragging heavy stuff all day"?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yocja_N5s1I[/media] There ya go.

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;42544119]i was under the impression that the hunter-gatherer existence was basically ubiquitous until agriculture it strikes me as a very peaceful if somewhat bland life[/QUOTE] there are still many areas of the world that never adopted agriculture. especially in the pacific, tropical africa, and in the amazon where there are still many isolated groups of humans. and i would consider agriculture to be far more bland than a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. there's a lot of labor division, specialization, and rote which makes life very boring for a lot of people. hunter-gatherers got to spend more of their day doing work that empowered them and their community.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42544166]there are still many areas of the world that never adopted agriculture. especially in the pacific, tropical africa, and in the amazon where there are still many isolated groups of humans. and i would consider agriculture to be far more bland than a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. there's a lot of labor division, specialization, and rote which makes life very boring for a lot of people. hunter-gatherers got to spend more of their day doing work that empowered them and their community.[/QUOTE] It really depends on what kind of society you want, I don't know if we could've made the technological strides we did without agriculture.

[QUOTE=Swilly;42544201]It really depends on what kind of society you want, I don't know if we could've made the technological strides we did without agriculture.[/QUOTE] our technology didn't come directly from agriculture otherwise the industrial revolution would have happened shortly after the agricultural revolution, instead of many millennia later. agricultural society might have made the industrial revolution possible, but it is worth noting that our technology may end up killing us one day, so the jury is still out whether technology is actually inherently good for humanity or not.

Not surprising considering Brain physiology.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42544320]our technology didn't come directly from agriculture otherwise the industrial revolution would have happened shortly after the agricultural revolution, instead of many millennia later. agricultural society might have made the industrial revolution possible, but it is worth noting that our technology may end up killing us one day, so the jury is still out whether technology is actually inherently good for humanity or not.[/QUOTE] I'll stick with the technological determinism standpoint. Technology is not inherently evil, the creation of it is to make things easier for us. Its how we use it. You can also make the point that without the agricultural revolution, most of those isolated tribes have shown that we would not go beyond our primitive old tools. Its really a coin flip, if we discover and create technology and put in policies that save the planet but keep us fed and happy, we will grow a society. Staying back doesn't solve anything either though.

Makes sense to me that the women would be the ones that did the paintings, at least some of them, given that they were hunter-gatherers. The men doing the hunting, and the women doing the gathering. Thus the women would learn about plants etc.. which provide pigments that can be used, such as for painting. And if women did the cooking, they would learn how to use charcoal as a pigment. Anyways, makes total sense that not only men would be painting. And tis sad that just because it was men that found these caves with paintings etc.. and studied them, they would assume it was men who did the painting. And I am surprised we are just now studying the paintings in this way instead of just making assumptions. Someone had their thinking cap on...

it's weird, I've never heard anyone specifically state it was the men painting, exactly. I've always heard 'caveman paintings' but at the same time I understood terms like 'cavemen' to be representative of humans of that era, much like saying 'mankind' is referencing all of humanity. Of course, we're also kind of trained into cavemen being 'cavemen', whilst culturally speaking cavewomen tend to be depicted more as modern women who haven't discovered hairdryers yet. It's easy to imagine a knuckledragging doofus of a guy doing caveman things in most situations because it's such a notable caricature

Well of course cavewomen stayed at home while cavemen were out building rocket ships