Putin: Russian Troops could be in Kiev, Vilnius, Tallinn, Riga, Warsaw, and Bucharest in Two Days - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proch;46014896]Yeah, say what you wanna say about Poles, but they're not giving up without a fight, and a fierce one at that. And shit like Russian Separatist wouldn't fly here. Thought most younger people would probably flee, if given the chance.[/QUOTE] After having read the stories of Poles in WW1 & 2, I'd expect Russia to halted by senior citizens decked out in modern infantry equipment. :v:

Come at us Russia, I'll fly back to country just to kick your arse with my bare fists then fly back and have a pint.

[QUOTE=Swineflu;46015200]We use a modified version of the T-55, but pretty much nothing remains of the T-55, it's completely changed. The TR85-M1 (developed in 1994) is a pretty decent defense tank, it's made for our terrain, which is mostly mountainous. Russia would be in for the real fight when they reach the Carpathian mountains. Btw know the NATO exercise in Germany? We had a fight between 5 of our MBT's vs 7 American Abrams. All the Abrams tanks were destroyed while only 1 of our tanks took slight damage. How? The Abrams tanks were ambushed. If you're curious, [url]http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tr85m1.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Holy shit

[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46015731]Holy shit[/QUOTE] Not that impressive really, there is some story of some US troops in a training exercise using a jeep with a recoil-less rifle on the back of it they took out an entire convoy, including tanks, using hit and run tactics.

It's just a threat made by Putin, doesn't mean it'll ever happen that way... Then I wake up tomorrow and somehow Russia just captured half of Europe overnight.

Russia, look at me. You have a centuries-old culture. You gave birth to Dostoevskij. Just get rid of this pseudotsar. For christ sake.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46015782]Not that impressive really, there is some story of some US troops in a training exercise using a jeep with a recoil-less rifle on the back of it they took out an entire convoy, including tanks, using hit and run tactics.[/QUOTE] That's quite impressive.

Honestly if Russia invaded Eastern European countries I doubt most nuclear powers would actually do much. I assume we'd just get a slightly louder "stop it." Nations like the US and Britain are unlikely to start attacking another nuclear power unless they face direct invasion.

[QUOTE=matt000024;46016394]Honestly if Russia invaded Eastern European countries I doubt most nuclear powers would actually do much. I assume we'd just get a slightly louder "stop it." Nations like the US and Britain are unlikely to start attacking another nuclear power unless they face direct invasion.[/QUOTE] Except all Eastern European nations are in NATO except for Ukraine.

a joint polish and american force will unleash pure rape that they harvested recently on russia if it happens

He could, but it wouldn't be smart. Russia has a large VDV force, check out the invasion of Czechoslovakia.

[QUOTE=laserguided;46016821]He could, but it wouldn't be smart. Russia has a large VDV force, check out the invasion of Czechoslovakia.[/QUOTE] Kiev, Vilnius, Tallinn, Riga, Warsaw, AND Bucharest? yeah, not happening.

PS: Fellow Americans, who probably aren't that familiar with east-european geopolitics, the countries referred to: Kiev - Ukraine Vilnius - Lithuania Tallinn - Estonia Riga - Latvia Warsaw - Poland Bucharest - Romania All except Ukraine are NATO members, which means an attack on them is considered an attack on all of NATO (including the US, UK, Germany, and France, plus a bunch of smaller allies). So if he does launch these attacks, it's literally WW3 time. All except Poland and Romania were also part of the Soviet Union, although most were only so because of a standing occupation force. Poland and Romania were Warsaw Pact members, again basically at gunpoint. None have any real desire to go back to Soviet times, to my knowledge. Also noteworthy is Russia's lack of allies in this fight. They have the "Commonwealth of Independent States", which has military elements but is not a common-defense treaty, let alone a military union. And that only gives them a small stack of nobodies like Kazakhstan or Armenia. China is quite unlikely to help them - they have no real defense agreements, they aren't particularly friendly with each other, and they don't even trade all that much (US exports to China alone outweigh all Russian trade with China, let alone the massive Chinese exports to America). So Russia's going to have to take on NATO alone, and they really don't look as hot as they once did. If it weren't for their nukes it wouldn't even be a question, Russia would get curb-stomped. Even if they do go nuclear, it's not called "mutually-assured destruction" for no reason. They're fucked no matter how it goes, it's just a matter of how many they take down with them. If this was a threat, it's just a bluff. If Putin's serious, he's a complete moron.

It's fine, me and my coworkers just drank Tallinn dry. At least that's what it felt like yesterday morning. Jesus christ.

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;46022242]It's fine, me and my coworkers just drank Tallinn dry. At least that's what it felt like yesterday morning. Jesus christ.[/QUOTE] thank you for boosting our gdp!

So Petro said that Putin said...? Can some german speaking facepuncher please confirm if Putin himself actually said it or Petro said that he did.

Do people not understand how strong Russia's army actually is? If they were actually wanting to invade the Ukraine, they would've done so long ago. What they're actually doing are helping the civilians. People really need to open their eyes for once and look at the bigger picture from a different perspective. Of course, Putin is making himself look like a fucking cartoon villain, but there's more to that. If they really wanted to start taking over more countries, they would've done so by force. Since when has Russia ever really tried to take things slowly? They just say fuck it and do it. What he said in this message was what I meant; if he really wants to take over the Ukraine, he would've done so already. Nothing is stopping him from doing so, but he isn't doing that. The troops that are coming back dead aren't from the army, they're volunteers. People who volunteered to go fight for the separatists or the government. My point isn't that we should fear Russia, but understand that they're not fucking around with the Ukraine. And putting sanctions onto Russia is just fucking the already fucked civilians even more. I'm gonna probably get dumbed to hell and back, but take it with a pinch of salt. Maybe we're not seeing the full picture, because trust me, what's happening in Donetsk is literal hell on earth.

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;46022637]Do people not understand how strong Russia's army actually is? If they were actually wanting to invade the Ukraine, they would've done so long ago. What they're actually doing are helping the civilians. People really need to open their eyes for once and look at the bigger picture from a different perspective. Of course, Putin is making himself look like a fucking cartoon villain, but there's more to that. If they really wanted to start taking over more countries, they would've done so by force. Since when has Russia ever really tried to take things slowly? They just say fuck it and do it. What he said in this message was what I meant; if he really wants to take over the Ukraine, he would've done so already. Nothing is stopping him from doing so, but he isn't doing that. The troops that are coming back dead aren't from the army, they're volunteers. People who volunteered to go fight for the separatists or the government. I'm gonna probably get dumbed to hell and back, but take it with a pinch of salt. Maybe we're not seeing the full picture, because trust me, what's happening in Donetsk is literal hell on earth.[/QUOTE] I agree with you, but I think you are derailing the thread into the usual "Russia is evil" debate and that never ends well.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46022650]I agree with you, but I think you are derailing the thread into the usual "Russia is evil" debate and that never ends well.[/QUOTE] Eh, I thought it'd be slightly relevant considering what he said here. Apologies if I did derail it.

My AK4 is ready for you, Mr.Putler.

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;46022637]Do people not understand how strong Russia's army actually is? If they were actually wanting to invade the Ukraine, they would've done so long ago. What they're actually doing are helping the civilians. People really need to open their eyes for once and look at the bigger picture from a different perspective. Of course, Putin is making himself look like a fucking cartoon villain, but there's more to that. If they really wanted to start taking over more countries, they would've done so by force. Since when has Russia ever really tried to take things slowly? They just say fuck it and do it. What he said in this message was what I meant; if he really wants to take over the Ukraine, he would've done so already. Nothing is stopping him from doing so, but he isn't doing that. The troops that are coming back dead aren't from the army, they're volunteers. People who volunteered to go fight for the separatists or the government. I'm gonna probably get dumbed to hell and back, but take it with a pinch of salt. Maybe we're not seeing the full picture, because trust me, what's happening in Donetsk is literal hell on earth.[/QUOTE] The Russian army is shit. The only good thing they have is being quick at mobilizing their army, but a prolonged war would ruin their country. Putin didn't invade Ukraine in a conventional war because then the kiddie gloves would come off and 70% of the world's military spending would strike them in the shape of NATO. Face it, Putin is a fucking petty dictator and playing devil's advocate is a terrible state of mind. Russia knows they can't take on more than one country at a time so they perfected expanding piece by piece in steps that are too small to warrant a direct reaction from NATO, because they know it would end badly otherwise. They can't fight a prolonged war, they can just support foreigners to die in their stead and sweep in with paratroopers before we can react.

I would believe Putin on this so long as the invasions are all at the same time and completely without warning to those countries, which would limit preparation for resistance. Though if there's a build up of forces along Russia's borders for weeks in advance (with satellites, would be hard to miss), then I seriously doubt they could make it two miles into each country in two days.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46022675]The Russian army is shit. The only good thing they have is being quick at mobilizing their army, but a prolonged war would ruin their country. Putin didn't invade Ukraine in a conventional war because then the kiddie gloves would come off and 70% of the world's military spending would strike them. Face it, Putin is a fucking petty dictator and playing devil's advocate is a terrible state of mind. Russia knows they can't take on more than one country at a time so they perfected expanding piece by piece in steps that are too small to warrant a direct reaction from NATO, because they know it would end badly otherwise.[/QUOTE] Why would they expand? They have the biggest country in the world, in 2 parts of the continent. Russia has the 2nd strongest army in the world, but you may be right. [editline]19th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46022694]I would believe Putin on this so long as the invasions are all at the same time and completely without warning to those countries, which would limit preparation for resistance. Though if there's a build up of forces along Russia's borders for weeks in advance (with satellites, would be hard to miss), then I seriously doubt they could make it two miles into each country in two days.[/QUOTE] OSCE, a security firm, are watching the borders of the Ukraine and have reported no Russian soldiers at all. The we've heard of was seen though.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46022675]The Russian army is shit. The only good thing they have is being quick at mobilizing their army, but a prolonged war would ruin their country.[/QUOTE] Prolonged war with symmetrical opponents would ruin any country, that's a hollow point you're making. And Putin is as much a dictator as Bush was (read: both weren't and still aren't). There's a difference between lenient authoritarianism and outright dictatorship. To confuse the two is about as retarded as confusing socialism with communism.

Putin's only a "dictator" so far as the Russian people want him to be.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46022833]Putin's only a "dictator" so far as the Russian people want him to be.[/QUOTE] Putin's only a dictator in the eyes of people that have never been to Russia.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46022894]Putin's only a dictator in the eyes of people that have never been to Russia.[/QUOTE] he is not your usual stereotype totalitarian dictator, just more of a corrupt authoritarian type

[QUOTE=Turing;46022960]he is not your usual stereotype totalitarian dictator, just more of a corrupt authoritarian type[/QUOTE] Calling him a dictator is just like calling every single bad guy with a gun a terrorist.

[QUOTE=Turing;46022960]he is not your usual stereotype totalitarian dictator, just more of a corrupt authoritarian type[/QUOTE] Care to provide a realistic and better alternative?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46022992]Care to provide a realistic and better alternative?[/QUOTE] During the last elections there was a realistic and better alternative: Prohorov. But he was rejected by the majority because nobody trusts business people in Russia and Prohorov was a businessman that went to politics (I can't think of a single succesful businessman in politics in russia). The conclusion is that the majority of people here really need Putin whether we like it or not.